Representative Democracy [Concluded]

I don't believe Winston is intended to be a real vote, but speaking of which, @Dp101 should get to making one.

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

Jabbz is one of the townier performances so far. Put him under Cass and DP.

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My head hurts.

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My head hurts.

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Don't let it blow your mind, but consider how your Zack-meld is so strong that, beyond even its present manifestation, its force reached us across the intervening years of your hiatus from the moment of your return.

I'm sure that means something.

Here here here. Better late than never? I'm catching up this evening.

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Originally Posted by Monstrbro

@dice, what for?

If you explained it I'm sorry for asking but mostly I want to talk to you directly because that is how I best make reads

I suppose it will be difficult at this forum though, especially with how busy I am

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gut reaction to that opening post. Feels like hes trying to set himself as the power behind the throne.

You're talking about the 500 word Ode to Zack? That was the result of a bet. How does that change your read, if it does?

that he deserves to be voted then for making stupid bets.

How do you know its a bet?

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

TALLY #2

	Blue	Green	Red
DISTRICT ONE	Rep	Chancellor	Lynch
Schema
Cuthillius	Cuthilius	Zack	Visor
Renata	Dp101	Cass	Jabbz
Choxorn		Zack
Dp101	Cuth	GH	Winston
Jabbz	Dp101	Cass	Zack
dicetosser1		Cass	GH
DISTRICT TWO
Winston Hughes	Winston	Visor	El barto
BSmith
Visor	Visor	Visor	Sooh
Csargo	Winston	Monty	Sooh
Riedquat	Visor	Visor	Visor
El Barto	El Barto	El Barto	Renata
Monstrbro	Visor	Visor	Monty
DISTRICT THREE
Montmorency	GH	Cass	Visor
Al Sipsclar
Sooh		Sooh	Zack
Cass_			El barto
GeneralHankerchief	GH	Zack	Sooh
Zack	Zack	Zack	Jabbz
atheotes	Zack	Cass	El barto

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I voted myself green and Visor blue.

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Originally Posted by dicetosser1

that he deserves to be voted then for making stupid bets.

How do you know its a bet?

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Townread to dicetosser.

It was because of a bet.

Just got out of movie, catching up. Jabbz town, Vote: Sooh cause they need to contribute more to be considered town.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

Townread to dicetosser.

It was because of a bet.

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I am REALLY tempted to lynch you anyway.

unvote vote montmerency

On Zack vs. Jabbz:

Zack knows that most people struggle to adapt to a new meta, and that this makes them vulnerable to misunderstanding, overreaction, and any number of other traps that can lead to a mislynch.

Jabbz has shown confidence in his standard meta (even if he hasn't explained it very well), and a willingness to engage with people who are self-evidently very capable players.

I'd neither trust nor lynch either at this stage, but right now it's Zack who's trending scummier for me.

As for Renata, I don't know how to read her.

It's weird to try and analyse someone with whom you've played a ton of games, but all of them at least a half-decade ago.

That she is the original source of my most intense paranoia trips does not make things any easier.

I certainly would not lynch today, but nor is she getting any townpoints as yet.

anyone know how many hrs to DL?

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Originally Posted by dicetosser1

I am REALLY tempted to lynch you anyway.

unvote vote montmerency

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So why don't you?

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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

As for Renata, I don't know how to read her.

It's weird to try and analyse someone with whom you've played a ton of games, but all of them at least a half-decade ago.

That she is the original source of my most intense paranoia trips does not make things any easier.

I certainly would not lynch today, but nor is she getting any townpoints as yet.

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Nothing less than I'd expect from you. I remember your paranoia. It's frustrating at times.

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Originally Posted by dicetosser1

anyone know how many hrs to DL?

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It's at 2.30pm Eastern Time, which is just under 16.5 hours away by my reckoning.

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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

On Zack vs. Jabbz:

Zack knows that most people struggle to adapt to a new meta, and that this makes them vulnerable to misunderstanding, overreaction, and any number of other traps that can lead to a mislynch.

Jabbz has shown confidence in his standard meta (even if he hasn't explained it very well), and a willingness to engage with people who are self-evidently very capable players.

I'd neither trust nor lynch either at this stage, but right now it's Zack who's trending scummier for me.

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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

As for Renata, I don't know how to read her.

It's weird to try and analyse someone with whom you've played a ton of games, but all of them at least a half-decade ago.

That she is the original source of my most intense paranoia trips does not make things any easier.

I certainly would not lynch today, but nor is she getting any townpoints as yet.

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Do you have anyone that you can give town points to?

I ask because this seems like a lot of words to say "I am unsure of everything"

In fact, it's weird. I've completed three games since coming back, on two other sites and here, and here is where I've gotten by far the largest amount of skepticism despite that I think I'm playing similarly everywhere and have been town every time.

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Originally Posted by Renata

Nothing less than I'd expect from you. I remember your paranoia. It's frustrating at times.

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It's tough to stay out of the paranoia box as a villager. What does scum!Winston look like in your experience?

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Originally Posted by Renata

In fact, it's weird. I've completed three games since coming back, on two other sites and here, and here is where I've gotten by far the largest amount of skepticism despite that I think I'm playing similarly everywhere and have been town every time.

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Perspective is a really weird thing. The biggest part of this game that most people don't realize is that we are all reading the same thread but ultimately getting different information from it

It's amplified for the villagers tho so that's why I try to find them first

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Originally Posted by Monstrbro

It's tough to stay out of the paranoia box as a villager. What does scum!Winston look like in your experience?

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I wish I remembered. Like he mentioned, it's been almost five years. He's good, I know that much -- I wouldn't expect him to fall prey to the more obvious scum tells. Otherwise, I don't know. Better to ask someone who's played with him more recently.

I will say that I have a town read on him so far. I can't swear the read is well founded, but he looks like he's doing what a villager is here to do.

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Originally Posted by Renata

I will say that I have a town read on him so far. I can't swear the read is well founded, but he looks like he's doing what a villager is here to do.

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Kk I am satisfied with your answer enough to both bolster my townread on you (full disclosure I sponged my original read from visor) and to give a little bit of leeway to Winston because the friends of my friends are my friends

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

Jabbz is one of the townier performances so far. Put him under Cass and DP.

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Kind of sucks when your biggest wolfread has two of your biggest townreads as town though

Makes a man wonder

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Originally Posted by Renata

Nothing less than I'd expect from you. I remember your paranoia. It's frustrating at times.

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In general, as either alignment, my paranoia has declined considerably.

Where you're concerned, though, it may take a while to subside.

Saw about 250 posts, read two dozen of 'em at most, selected from those related to me:

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Originally Posted by Renata

Visor scares me. So does Monty, who snowed me pretty hard last game. If it was me I wouldn't be voting for either one for rep. Too dangerous.

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

What?

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Originally Posted by Renata

Pocketed, fooled, snowed, trashed, destroyed, take your pick of verbs.

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Hey, we both did that!

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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

Sooh's posting lacks substance, looks scummy.

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Originally Posted by Sooh

Yeah, you're right. You should probably vote her.

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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

Luckily for you, El Barto is still at large.

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It wasn't me, I didn't do it.

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Originally Posted by Zack

vote: jabbz

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Sheeping Renata?

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Originally Posted by Renata

I'm not voting for you anymore. You're free to follow your heart.

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OK, I am not obligated to vote for you anymore. And Dp101 has put Sooh in the lead, so I must abide by lawful custom and Vote: Winston Hughes.

(Cass_, I vote you in spirit).

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Originally Posted by Monstrbro

Do you have anyone that you can give town points to?

I ask because this seems like a lot of words to say "I am unsure of everything"

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I am unsure of everything, and I'm not minded here to pretend otherwise.

But I have been giving/implying townpoints (to Jabbz, Visor, dicetosser, Dp101), as well as scumpoints (to El Barto, Monty, Sooh, Zack).

I haven't reread Cass yet, but the vibe was fairly positive on first look.

Everyone else is in the null pile until I take a closer look.

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Originally Posted by Monstrbro

Kind of sucks when your biggest wolfread has two of your biggest townreads as town though

Makes a man wonder

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Why? Most players so far are willing to call Cass and DP townie.