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11-20-2003, 18:13
komninos

This is something I stumbled on yesterday
Scanned the images and here they are.

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= Hellenic Warriors from 1000BC - 200BC =
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Late Mycenaic "Epetis"
http://users.otenet.gr/~timoleon/min-scan0.jpg

Shield similar to Hoplon but misses the bottom part
Weapons : Spear, Sword

Early Hoplite "Promaxos"
this will be the now "Polomiste"
http://users.otenet.gr/~timoleon/min-scan1.jpg

Elliptical Shield "Boeotian"
Weapons : Javelin, Spear, Sword

Archaic Hoplite (Geometrical age)
http://users.otenet.gr/~timoleon/min-scan2.jpg

Shield : Hoplon
Weapons : Long Spear, Sword

Later Hipeas (~400BC)
http://users.otenet.gr/~timoleon/min-scan3.jpg

Shield : -
Weapons : Hyston, Sword

Early Peltast
http://users.otenet.gr/~timoleon/min-scan4.jpg

Shield : Pelti
Weapons : Javelins, Sword (note the grip of the javelin)

Yficratian Hoplite
http://users.otenet.gr/~timoleon/min-scan5.jpg

Shield : Smaller than Hoplon
Weapons : 4.5m Spear, Sword

Phalangitis (3rd century)
http://users.otenet.gr/~timoleon/min-scan6.jpg

Shield : Medium size (Pelti)
Weapons : 6m Spear, Sword

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More to come http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/joker.gif
11-20-2003, 20:40
flip

Komninos, nice pics. Not easy to find resources about early ages.

Now some progress updates:

Campaign unit pieces
http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt//M...ts/Units 2.jpg
Interface
http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt//M...s/menu new.jpg
This is for Antalis and others. I was triyng to test new citys/casttles for HTW. If you pik Islamic architecture we get a greek style structure.I was looking for a easy way to draw citys for the city pieces for the campmap. But i realise that this procedure may be also good for the battle maps. Just a thought.
http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt//MTW/Units/city1.jpg
http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt//MTW/Units/city2.jpg
http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt//MTW/Units/city3.jpg
http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt//MTW/Units/city4.jpg
11-20-2003, 21:19
Antalis::

Yeah, but with towers and keeps it looks like more a islamic wall and city then a greek one.
But thank you for your thoughts.

btw: Your army pieces looks very good http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/smile.gif
How did you do them?
Are that 3D-models?
11-21-2003, 04:03
flip

Antalis, thats the point, we hadn't towers and keeps in ancient ages, at least of that kind, so simply dont use them.

The pieces are pure photoshop work, no secrets, I just piked some images and change them.
11-21-2003, 04:27
Marshal Murat

Actually, they had towers on thier walls, also they had huge batteries of ballista and scropions in the towers.
11-21-2003, 06:37
Antalis::

I tried it out: Problem are also the houses, they look too islamic. Solution would be to remove them completley, but I don´t know.
Without a keep it would be a bit empty there.
Also then you have to change the music, because an islamic theme would be a bit strange to the greek mod.
11-21-2003, 07:19
Antalis::

All in all, I think the atmospere would be too islamic and too many things would get lost on the way.
11-21-2003, 08:47
dessa14

i don't think that those houses look islamic you can see by the design that they are greek
thanks dessa
11-21-2003, 09:24
Antalis::

I don´t think that such cluster-houses exists in greece, or do they?

And they look like basar houses from islamic marketplaces.

They look more like babylonic(?) houses architecture style.
11-21-2003, 09:53
dessa14

i think greek houses had slightly pitched terracotta roofed houses, and the fact those houses have wooden roofs is something that middleeastern civs didn't have. they normally had clay or mud brick houses which had a wooden frame holding up a brick roof
thanks dessa
11-21-2003, 10:06
komninos

Hi,

I will see what I can find in some architectural things I have at home. The South European houses are close for the Ancient Greek arch. The Islamic as it is is very good but I think it would be better of with the Eastern Kingdoms. Greek houses where more open to the public than the Muslims. In general (if I remember) the houses had some "Probolo", a first part of the house forming the outer wall and leading to the iner yard the houses were single to two floors high. At the centre of the house was the "Hestia" where the fire was burning. The "Hestia" was also an alter for the goddess Hestia protector of the family and the Household.

BTW architecture used does not much the music You can actualy make a new folder and mix mach things and name it AT_HTW_ACRH and then you can use it

flip, Antalis I think it is time to check the MTTM thing Welly is quite open to provide info and guidance. And I have seen things that will blast your minds.

Note making really dense housing causes problems at game play ... units can't move through them.
11-21-2003, 14:57
flip

Yes komninos, MTTM its the word, but its already there?
Also I think its possible to repaint the TGAs models.
11-21-2003, 15:14
flip

Progress update:

Campmap in Tapestry style
http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/tapete1.jpg
http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/tapete2.jpg
11-21-2003, 18:18
flip

New game, "Spartans" here:
Spartans
11-21-2003, 19:42
Antalis::

Quote:

Originally Posted by [b

Zitat[/b] (flip @ Nov. 21 2003,11:18)]New game, "Spartans" here:
Spartans

HTW is MUCH better (sorry no modesty by me at the moment, http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...icons/cool.gif ), lol http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif
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11-21-2003, 20:01
flip

I agree http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...icons/wink.gif
11-22-2003, 01:12
dessa14

that game looks really dodge, wrong system i think, to use any system that is not very similar to TW
thanks dessa
11-24-2003, 08:17
Antalis::

I only wanted to say that I´m taking a break: I have so much to do on university that I have not the time that it needs to stay that active in this forum.

The time here was wonderful, I thank you all for your interrest in modding and so on, but it took me too much time that I need in my real life.

It was fantastic to make things for this mod, I always loved ancient history and ancient literature.
I read about Athen, Asia Minor, Makedonia and so on, but now I can play this history by myself.
I´m very grateful, that I could work in this mod as a landscape-maker and for other things.
I learned a lot in making this landscapes.

Hope to see you soon again.

Greetings to all from the man who loves MTW, maybe too much, and I wish you all good luck with your projects and maybe I´ll come back again in not so far future.

Antalis:: http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/wacko.gif
11-24-2003, 11:47
komninos

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...icons/wave.gif
Good luck Antalis, nice to have you for this time but I guess Univ. Exams are not MTW friendly and vice versa.

By the time you come back most probably the v.2.0 will be ready to download http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...icons/wink.gif
11-24-2003, 13:40
Marshal Murat

Hey I just was wondering if any of you had a link to the place where you get the maps, like in Greece or China?
11-24-2003, 14:18
komninos

Hi Marshal Murat,

There was a specific question from Welly some time ago about a Spanish map. So try some search in the Alchemist lab. I gave the links in there. ... If you download the HTW or the China map I think you can find the links also in there. Have in mind that the large scale maps that cover the globe need Adobe Photoshop or Adobe Photoshop Elements to open them.
11-24-2003, 18:39
komninos

Hi all,

I have two problems to discus with you
1st
Simulating Phalanx fighting
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The "othisis" pushing of the back rows for now is simulated by doubling the Rank Bonus in combat so normal Hoplites get 6, Yficratian 8 and Phalangites 10. But for the strategies I have a problem. There will be three basic options

1. Phalax: Normal depth 6 rows, 16 men
2. Thin spread: 3 rows, 32men
3. Double Phalanx: 12 rows, 8 men

The problem is here the double phalanx should win the phalanx. But with 2xRank Bonus the 12 row has the same Rank Bonus with the normal phalanx. So I am thinking of multiplying it by 3. This will solve the problem but it will deprive the Macedonian and Yficratian a bit.
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2nd
Revolts
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The problem so far is that revolts use the cheapest units found. If you delete these units the game will try the next cheapest unit So I will make two slave rebel units one with small axes and one with a shield and small spear.
These units will be fanatics, ultra cheep (so expect loads of them) but there support will be way to high so if you bribe them you will have to disband them

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Your opinions please
11-24-2003, 19:43
flip

Double phalange:

No problem. For the Macedonians, I gess we have, as in the historical situation, to lead the heavy cavalry(companions) and Thessalians with timing in conjuction with the phalanxes. Flanking cavalry will decide battle.

Iphicratians are a sort of a lighter type of hoplites. Light armour and small hoplon. Just the saryssa has now 12 meters. This give them more movement capacity but with less shock atributes.

Revolts:
I can't say anything, I gess we have to test it
11-25-2003, 06:50
Scipio

Hey Ive just finished watching a video on athenean history and I'm pumped to play HTW but Im wonderin when is v2.0 coming out should I hold out till then?Any way a bauetiful mod you guys have going here keep up the good work
11-26-2003, 14:53
flip

Progress update, map:
http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MT.../map color.jpg
http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MT...map color2.jpg
http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MT...map color3.jpg
11-26-2003, 15:18
Paxx

Hi there again http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif
Just wanted to ask if there is any problem with dead bodies, because I havent seen any corpses since I installed HTW. Did I make something wrong?
11-27-2003, 09:01
komninos

Paxx,

No ... there is a known bug faced by many modders with the dead bodies ... I think there is a solution by deleting the MTW part of that file but till now I didn’t have any chance to test it. Though now with the DJs units we might have to make a new TGA too.

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As for the problems ....
1st ... It is a bit strange on how MTW fighting is done ... so the experiment with the 12row Phalanx failed. Every time the 6row Phalanx won since it enveloped the flanks of the 12row phalanx. What actually happened was that the 12row Phalanx pushed hard in to the 6row and at some point found its side buried deep and then it suffered gravely. O

So I returned to the old values this will have to be done using formations.

2nd. This was a total success The three rebel units were cheep and were constantly picked up by the rebelling forces in different combinations. The problem was the cost of the normal units ... the average hoplite costs ~600coins the Rebel_Hoplite casts 100 If you by your way with these rebels things will turn very bad ... these are the productive population so there will be a constant outrage in the province and there support is huge. There fighting is not very good either. So if you by your way with them then bring in your forces and disband them ASAP
11-27-2003, 17:06
Scipio

Still havent answered when the version 2 is commin out maybe I should forget it...
11-27-2003, 22:20
Antalis::

@flip:

Very nice map http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/smile.gif.
I like that tapestry style and that you have added names on the provinces.

@Scipio:

I guess not even komninos knows exactly when v 2.0 is ready to download.
Maybe in a month or so.
11-28-2003, 00:02
Scipio

Darn that hurts imean rtw centurion total war Meta Storms Rome and this mod all are all the same such confusuion hurts my head http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...s/confused.gif

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