Mafia IV: Night of the Living Mafia [Concluded]

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

"Somehow"? How do you determine whether it was coincidence or not? Or are you just wagoning?

Are you avoiding giving your opinion on Kommodus's method?

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To be honest I do not know if it is just a coincidence or not. But I am not willing to take the risk that it is just a coincidence. Also yes I am bandwagoning, if you define voting according to information provided by others as bandwagoning.

About voicing my opinion about Kommodus's methods. I do believe that Kommodus might be able to get good results with his methods eventually. But I do not believe that he has created an accurate method that allows him to point out who is guilty in two rounds. Personally I'll give him a couple more rounds to get more accurate information before I'll start voting according to his suggestions. The reason why I didn't voice an opinion about his method earlier, is because I really didn't see a need to do it. I just do not believe that his method is giving us accurate information yet, and I was already set on voting you after I had my questions answered by the "Mafia victims club".

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Originally Posted by Masy

Edit- oh yeah, Vote: Reenk Roink, cos he always abstains.

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Hello sir. You seem to use a defense based on pointing out the weakness of the claims against you but then put forth this claim as to my guilt.

That's quite contradictory...

You're off the fan club for your transgression, and don't worry, I'll be reviewing the evidence (most of it in regards to you) once again and reconsidering my courteous abstention. Oh, and I only vote for people off my fan club... :wink:

Generally, the mafia tend to defend themselves the most, contrary to what Sasaki says. Look at Lemur in Mafia II. A townsperson doesn't really mind. He can just slack off for a few days. I know I have at certain stages. Mafia, on the other hand, will treat this as a once in a lifetime oppurtunity, and so will always be trying to keep themselves alive.

Because of this and ALL the evidence against sasaki, I urge you to vote for Sasaki Kojiro.

Avenge me townfolks let my death not be in vain.

Sasaki your still my number one suspect.:inquisitive:

RR your little abstain every time is helping no one. Vote even if you aren't quite sure who is Mafia. No one knows exactly right now but most everyone is voting.

And everyone who's voting Masy you people are just crazy. If you follow Kommodus without knowing what he's doing how will that help anyone? You have to make him reveal his way of finding things out before blindly following him. And personally I think it's way to early for him to know anything but that's my opnion.

Kills are in their proper form now.

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Originally Posted by Ice

After reviewing the thread...

VOTE:MASY

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Why did you kill Leet Ice?:inquisitive:

Vote: Sasaki Kojiro

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Originally Posted by Tiberius

Generally, the mafia tend to defend themselves the most, contrary to what Sasaki says. Look at Lemur in Mafia II. A townsperson doesn't really mind. He can just slack off for a few days. I know I have at certain stages. Mafia, on the other hand, will treat this as a once in a lifetime oppurtunity, and so will always be trying to keep themselves alive.

Because of this and ALL the evidence against sasaki, I urge you to vote for Sasaki Kojiro.

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No Tiberius. I tend to defend myself vigorously. I claimed detective to avoid being lynched when I was innocent, have you forgotten? How could you, you were the real detective. I have to ask why you even thoughto set a "trap" for me day 1, why you bring evidence against me you know to be bogus, and why you don't respond to my criticisms of your evidence. I'd say it's personal but I can't remember shafting you in any way.

I ask you again, what evidence is there that I haven't refuted?

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Generally, the mafia tend to defend themselves the most, contrary to what Sasaki says. Look at Lemur in Mafia II. A townsperson doesn't really mind. He can just slack off for a few days. I know I have at certain stages. Mafia, on the other hand, will treat this as a once in a lifetime oppurtunity, and so will always be trying to keep themselves alive.

Because of this and ALL the evidence against sasaki, I urge you to vote for Sasaki Kojiro.

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It seems as if there are more votes against me than anyone else, so I guess i should be fighting to stay alive. Also, my reasoning for Reenk was daft. Sorry Reenk, put me back on the fan club!

Unvote: Reenk Roink
Vote: Sasaki Kojiro

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Originally Posted by Masy

It seems as if there are more votes against me than anyone else, so I guess i should be fighting to stay alive. Also, my reasoning for Reenk was daft. Sorry Reenk, put me back on the fan club!

Unvote: Reenk Roink
Vote: Sasaki Kojiro

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Suspicious: Yes
Mafia:A definant possiblity

You are might suspicious my friend. I'm not quite sure what to say.

Are you the Mafia?:inquisitive:

(Don't lie to the smiley he can see right through you.)

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I have to ask why you even thoughto set a "trap" for me day 1

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The 'trap' was my idea. I contacted Silver because I knew him to be innocent. It wasn't a trap to catch you out Sasaki, it was a trap to prove you're innocence. If I didn't die after two rounds of baiting (with increasing bait), I would have gone on to try the plan I suggested openly in my PMs.

However, I died. I can't think of any reason other than that to kill me. OK so I was active, but so were you, and you didn't die.

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Originally Posted by Myrddraal

The 'trap' was my idea. I contacted Silver because I knew him to be innocent. It wasn't a trap to catch you out Sasaki, it was a trap to prove you're innocence. If I didn't die after two rounds of baiting (with increasing bait), I would have gone on to try the plan I suggested openly in my PMs.

However, I died. I can't think of any reason other than that to kill me. OK so I was active, but so were you, and you didn't die.

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Err, I got voted for, you didn't? Killing me makes me a confirmed innocent and thus more dangerous to the mafia?

And I meant the silly destroyer of hope thing.

Sunset.

Masy was upset. Very upset. He had just been condemned to execution by crazy-looking weapon, held by a Chief of Police that looked positively evil.

The Chief of Police, Beirut, grinned as he read the final vote. "Well well well, Masy, come on up. You're first to test my nice new pointy weapon."

Masy looked totally defeated as he shuffled up to the execution platform. This had been a bad couple of days for him, and now it would culminate with him being hacked to death.

Lovely.

As he approached Beirut, the Chief of Police continued his act.

"Kneel, peasant. Do you have any last words?" Masy shook his head at this sadly. Beirut, who looked like he'd just been deprived of a treat, nodded, and sliced at Masy until he was no more.

And just like that, it was over.

Beirut stood over the corpse of Masy, triumphantly. The man was a bit too in love with his weapon. He addressed the crowd.

"Gentlemen," he began, "that's it. We'll convene here tomorrow after the kills where you can all watch me execute someone else. See you then!"

Everyone shuffled out, worried that their chief of police was going off the deep end.

Here is the vote tally for Session 3:

Masy: 9 (Kommodus, Drisos, doc_bean, Dutch_guy, Sasaki Kojiro, Big King Sanctaphrax, Ice, Lemur, Byzantine Mercenary) :skull:
Sasaki Kojiro: 5 (Crazed Rabbit, AggonyDuck, Divine Wind, King Henry V, Masy)
Byzantine Mercenary: 1 (Sir Moody)
Dutch_guy: 1 (UltraWar)
UltraWar: 1 (Orb)

Abstained: 1 (Reenk Roink)
Didn't vote: 6 (Sigurd Fafnesbane, The Spartan, Ignoramus, Zalmoxis, Destroyer of Hope, Cowhead418)

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Still alive:
Sasaki Kojiro
UltraWar
Sigurd Fafnesbane
doc_bean
Dutch_guy
The Spartan
Orb
Sir Moody
King Henry V
Ignoramus
Reenk Roink
Crazed Rabbit
Ice
Zalmoxis
Destroyer of Hope
Drisos
Big King Sanctaphrax
Divine Wind
Cowhead418
Kommodus
AggonyDuck
Lemur
Byzantine Mercenary

Killed:
Silver Rusher
Tiberius
Evil Maniac From Mars
Myrddraal
Leet Eriksson
Csar

Executed:
Kagemusha
discovery1
Masy

I have nothing to say to you people.

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Originally Posted by Csar

I have nothing to say to you people.

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Then why post? :inquisitive:

You evil thread-besmircher you.

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Originally Posted by Csar

I have nothing to say to you people.

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I have no reply to this

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

I have no reply to this

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And you, you need to die even if your not a mafioso. It's too risky to leave you alive.

Oh and GH the reason I say that is because there blindly following something they have no proof of. Stupid in my opnion.

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Originally Posted by Csar

And you, you need to die even if your not a mafioso. It's too risky to leave you alive.

Oh and GH the reason I say that is because there blindly following something they have no proof of. Stupid in my opnion.

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It was a way better lynch than Kage or Disco, who only got lynched because they were messing around. And Kommodus will have to reveal his method now.

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

It was a way better lynch than Kage or Disco, who only got lynched because they were messing around. And Kommodus will have to reveal his method now.

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How do you figure? He doesn't have to do anything he doesn't want too. Though there is the threat of lynching.

You still haven't given a reason you don't deserve to die.

Damn! Just missed the vote! Ah well, I'll make it next time.

I actually abstained, but that's the same as not voting anyway.

As an innocent townsperson, your death will hardly make a difference. After all, everyone in the MVFJA's focussed on getting you down it seems. If you die, then we can turn our attention elsewhere and you can continue to post.

Of course, you might not be an innocent townsperson...

It is funny how MVFJA just looks like MAFIA written in Russian...
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мафия
MVFJA
MAFIA!
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I'm curious as to the method used to accuse Masy...

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Originally Posted by Myrddraal

I'm curious as to the method used to accuse Masy...

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Me too. And Csar, there is a treat. I'll vote Kommodus when he doesn't reveal it. :balloon2:

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I'm curious as to the method used to accuse Masy...

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Yes, me too. Kommodus must hold a lot of clout around here if he can get someone killed on his word alone.

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Originally Posted by Drisos

Me too. And Csar, there is a treat. I'll vote Kommodus when he doesn't reveal it. :balloon2:

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Just so you know, I PM'd Kommodus asking for the MVFJA to see the voting analysis and he hasn't replied yet. The read receipt, however, says he read it a long time ago.

I PM'd him before I voted last round, and his reply told me nothing about his method.

CR

Ok, since everyone’s so curious, I’ll tell you all about my method. It’s a bit complex, so I won’t bore you with every detail, but this should be enough to help you duplicate it pretty accurately. The real trouble isn’t so much applying it, but rather deriving it, which took me a while.

For each player, each post is plotted on a 3-dimensional graph, in which X is the time at which the post occurred, Z is the numerical index assigned to the player being accused in the post (if any), and Y is the total number of characters in the post. Posts containing votes are weighted with a factor equal to an exponential function of the turn number. (If the vote is later retracted, I just halve the weighting factor – it’s a bit of a fudge, I know, and I hope to refine this further later on.) The resulting points are then fitted with a set of N-dimensional polynomial functions, in which N is the number of points minus one.

Follow so far? Good, because now comes the tricky part. Solve for the roots of the above polynomial functions (you should find N^2 roots) and use them to build a sparse NxN matrix. Normalize this matrix and solve for its eigenvectors (you may need to brush up on your linear algebra to do this). Use the resulting vectors to form a set of N-dimensional parametric equations (just multiply each vector component by a, b, c, etc.) and set the result equal to t.

That wasn’t so bad, was it? You’re almost there, and all you’ll need is a bit of college-level diff-EQ to finish it off. Differentiate each parametric equation with respect to each of the independent variables in it, and you end up with a set of partial differential equations to solve. Use the graphical mathematics package of your choice (I like Mathematica) to plot these out – a good visual analysis is invaluable to understanding what’s really going on, and it’ll also help you spot singularities that might give you trouble later on. Next, use a reasonably robust numerical method to find the integral of the… of the… *gasp*

So much… BS… can’t… go on… throat clenching up… heart rate fluctuating… must finish…

*wheeze*

*thud*

Yes. Thats an impressive amount of BS. Did you make that all up off the cuff?