OOC Thread and Chatroom 2

EF must be refering to this rule :

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2.3 – Retinue: At any time, a Senator may give any retinue item/member they possess to another Senator or remove it from their avatar without giving it to anyone else. If a retinue item/member cannot be transferred or removed due to game coding or distance between avatars, console commands may be used to allow the transfer or removal. If, at any time, a Senator possess a retinue 'title' to a province they do not own, that Senator will be required to immediately transfer that retinue 'title' to the Senator who controls that province. If the Senator who controls the province already has a full retinue, he may either transfer or remove one of his own retinue to make room for the 'title' or have the 'title' deleted.

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I will transfer retinue. Just send me a PM and I'll do it when I do my moves.

Already done by TC...

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Originally Posted by Tristan de Castelreng

Already done by TC...

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I meant in general.

Unless you meant that TC just now did every single retinue change that we will ever have in the course of this game. :clown:

Thanks for the change TC.

Just caught up with the outstanding Stories thread. :book:

That last one by Flyd - will be chuckling about that one for some time - wonderful work :laugh4:

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Originally Posted by Knights_of_Palma

I was able to lay siege to Gaza with my cavalry but because of the hefty garrison I have decided just to sit outside and attack when I have all my units avalible.

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Be aware that you run the risk of being confronted with a sally..

Which is why I didn't lay siege. :clown:

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I moved Rowan and NN according to their wishes. Which is funny because where Rowan wanted to be then got sieged. So now Bart is trapped in Antioch with Mak. The Templars have been so peaceful for so long that I never expected them to do this.

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Hah, the AI can really surprise us sometimes. PK. be careful with Bart when you sally, he's got -2 HP from the sickness traits.

PS. Last weekend, I built a trebuchet. :beam:

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Originally Posted by Rowan

Hah, the AI can really surprise us sometimes. PK. be careful with Bart when you sally, he's got -2 HP from the sickness traits.

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I'll try but it might be dicey. I basically have two choices. Either sally now or wait for the assault. If I sally, it will only be with what the Order can scrape together in one turn. If I wait, there is a chance the AI won't assault. But if they do, then we'll be stuck in the city. I rather sally and get out in the field where we can charge.

I'll do what I can with Bart to keep him alive. Mak has HP coming out of his ears so I'll make him do the tough stuff. The army is big but I think 4 RBG's and some assorted units can beat it. The Templar army is really low quality. They don't even have missile troops. Mainly a lot of pilgrims, peasants, and spearmen. Some mounted sergeants and a general round it out.

The plan is to hit the general and knock him out early. Then pepper the spears with arrows while charging the pilgrims and peasants. Try to get a chain rout going.

If I win, I'll shove the spy into Tortosa and try to take it quick in order to knock the Templars out as a faction.

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PS. Last weekend, I built a trebuchet. :beam:

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Awesome... I hope you took pictures. :beam:

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Originally Posted by Privateerkev

I'll try but it might be dicey. I basically have two choices. Either sally now or wait for the assault. If I sally, it will only be with what the Order can scrape together in one turn. If I wait, there is a chance the AI won't assault. But if they do, then we'll be stuck in the city. I rather sally and get out in the field where we can charge.

I'll do what I can with Bart to keep him alive. Mak has HP coming out of his ears so I'll make him do the tough stuff. The army is big but I think 4 RBG's and some assorted units can beat it. The Templar army is really low quality. They don't even have missile troops. Mainly a lot of pilgrims, peasants, and spearmen. Some mounted sergeants and a general round it out.

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Remember, no charging spearmen from the front and don't melee with the enemy general.
And make sure he's got his warm clothes on.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Don't sweat it too much. What happens, happens. :2thumbsup:

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Awesome... I hope you took pictures. :beam:

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Yup, and a couple of videos (I just have to edit out the manic laughter :laugh4:)

Ouch, not a good year for the Order.

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Originally Posted by TinCow

Ouch, not a good year for the Order.

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You need bad years to balance out the good years.

The Order will get through this. Mak might not, but the Order will. :yes:

Has there been any good for the Order ? :beam:

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Originally Posted by Tristan de Castelreng

Has there been any good for the Order ? :beam:

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Getting off of Nicosia for the first time was a very good year. I actually had doubts as to if that would happen. 7 avatars standing around on an island for half the game staring at each other didn't sound very fun.

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7 avatars standing around on an island for half the game staring at each other didn't sound very fun.

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And why not? It sounds fun to me. :clown:

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Originally Posted by Ibn-Khaldun

And why not? It sounds fun to me. :clown:

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I'll take that as consent to move your avatar to the nearest island and take the ships away.


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Originally Posted by Privateerkev

I'll take that as consent to move your avatar to the nearest island and take the ships away.


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Well.. Only if you get another 6 avatars to join me. :clown:

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Originally Posted by Ibn-Khaldun

Well.. Only if you get another 6 avatars to join me. :clown:

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Pick the 6 and I'll assume those people gave you consent to give me consent. :clown:

Unfortunately, Aleksios had a kind heart, otherwise you'd be very well acquainted with the Cypriot wines.

But I do feel for you a bit PK, as if you lose Mak then it would be a rotten way to lose him. But then again, IC, Ioannis would love to see the back of him so he can't really sympathise.

I had wondered when the Order would attack. Especially seeing that I got diplomats to insult them.

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Originally Posted by Ignoramus

Unfortunately, Aleksios had a kind heart, otherwise you'd be very well acquainted with the Cypriot wines.

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I suspect it was done more for OOC considerations. As for Aleksios, it seems he has more of a pragmatic heart, than a kind heart.

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But I do feel for you a bit PK, as if you lose Mak then it would be a rotten way to lose him. But then again, IC, Ioannis would love to see the back of him so he can't really sympathise.

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Dying in a cool battle is actually a pretty good way to go. It wasn't what I planned but it makes for a cool story. Win or lose, this battle tonight (or tomorrow afternoon if I'm tired) will be a lot of fun. :2thumbsup:

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I had wondered when the Order would attack. Especially seeing that I got diplomats to insult them.

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I did too. I just wished I timed it better. :laugh4:

Hey guys.

Just as a heads up, I will be in Germany the next three or so weeks. I will have internet access but not game access, so I will reply to PMs and whatnot, but I will rely on my House to move me around and roll me over when I start to drool in my sleep.
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I'm guessing the battle went badly?

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Originally Posted by Ignoramus

I'm guessing the battle went badly?

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Nope. Easiest one yet. The Jedi triumphed against the evil Sith Templars. :clown:

Despite being outnumbered 800 to 1900, I lost 48 and killed/captured well over 1800. That isn't bragging. That is just a testament to the power of 4 Jedi RBG's.

Unfortunately, Mak had to go and be stupid and release all of the prisoners. (Almost 900...) I will have to have a talk with the lad. :clown:

The Turks attacked Ituralde so we need for him to fight that battle before the new turn starts. I sent him the new save.

Hmmm, that was pretty much the entire Templar armed forces wasn't it?

Looks like we'll have our first destroyed faction soon. I wonder if Stainless Steel has any surprises lurking for us if that happens.

It would be wonderful if it some how reintegrated a Faction Re-emergence, It would be like fighting off a mini-mongol horde each time you kill a faction :2thumbsup:

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Darned double post.

And yeah, that was the entire Templar army minus a few family members. But, Mak released a bunch of them and they ran to Tortosa. So, it will be a tough nut to crack until I can get more stuff there.

A little freeze up on ye olde calculatin machine there PK? :clown:

*edit*

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Originally Posted by Privateerkev

Nope. Easiest one yet. The Jedi triumphed against the evil Sith Templars. :clown:

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You had me worried there for a while... :sweatdrop:

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Originally Posted by Rowan

You had me worried there for a while... :sweatdrop:

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Sorry, if it was bad news, I would have said something right away. I didn't mean to keep you in suspense. :embarassed:

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Originally Posted by Privateerkev

Sorry, if it was bad news, I would have said something right away. I didn't mean to keep you in suspense. :embarassed:

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I figured that if Bart had bit the dust I'd at least have a PM waiting. :2thumbsup: I wasn't so sure about other Order members however...

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Originally Posted by Rowan

I figured that if Bart had bit the dust I'd at least have a PM waiting. :2thumbsup: I wasn't so sure about other Order members however...

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Yeah, I would have PM'd you right away.

But, everyone made it. It was easier than I thought it was going to be. I'll post a battle report later. But I basically just flooded the field with cavalry and horse archers. Hired every merc that could reach. (Ah the joys of being Megas...) Bart is now snug in Antioch so he can get better. :2thumbsup:

Ituralde has fought his battle and given me the save. In a few hours, I'll go home for lunch and put the new one up.

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Originally Posted by Privateerkev

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Is this, along with your double posting, just a sly way of upping your post count? :inquisitive:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

:clown: Ha ha only two this time :clown:

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Originally Posted by Elite Ferret

Is this, along with your double posting, just a sly way of upping your post count? :inquisitive:

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I can think of far less aggravating ways to up my post count...

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Scopia...

The province no one wants, but no one wants their opponents to have.

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Good god, it's like an episode of Bold and the Beautiful. :beam:

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Originally Posted by AussieGiant

Good god, it's like an episode of Bold and the Beautiful. :beam:

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Which one is which?

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For the sake of historical accuracy, I feel the need to point out that few Byzantines would have thought a little whipping of an opponent and a collision in a race (the collision had nothing to do with the cheating, btw) were worthy of outrage. Chariot racing was a vicious sport and racers often died in collisions, while bribery and cheating were both pretty common as well. If you want to protest the Hippodrome result for political reasons, or because your character has a chivarlous stick up his butt, that makes plenty of sense, but try to remember that the events that occurred in that race probably wouldn't have struck most Byzantines as unusual.

In fact, I built a cheating system into the chariot racing rules from the very beginning, before any player even thought of trying to interact with the races in an IC manner. It simply didn't occur in the first two races because the dice rolls went against it.

While all true, the point I'd like to make is that the Supreme Ruler of the £%^ing largest Empire on the planet just used it as a decision maker...AND in public.

Cheat all you want, that's as normal as can be, but in this particular instance don't expect the man with the largest pipe hitting set of bollocks on the planet to take kindly at being shown up that way...just a little twist on SOP of the time in my view. :beam:

And Methodios may have chivalry up his butt...

*waits patiently for first homo-erotic comment*

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Don't ever tell ATPG of that post...

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Originally Posted by AussieGiant

While all true, the point I'd like to make is that the Supreme Ruler of the £%^ing largest Empire on the planet just used it as a decision maker...AND in public.

Cheat all you want, that's as normal as can be, but in this particular instance don't expect the man with the largest pipe hitting set of bollocks on the planet to take kindly at being shown up that way...just a little twist on SOP of the time in my view. :beam:

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Are you saying that the Basileus is upset that his ultra lazy and completely unjust method of resolving disputes didn't work out very well? Shame that...

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Originally Posted by Tristan de Castelreng

Don't ever tell ATPG of that post...

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*pauses from typing up a PM to ATPG with a link to that specific post.*

:saint:

:laugh4:

both at TC and PK

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Originally Posted by TinCow

Are you saying that the Basileus is upset that his ultra lazy and completely unjust method of resolving disputes didn't work out very well? Shame that...

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I'm not one to judge what the Emperor decides to do and not to do when it comes to just about anything.

Hell, if he says it's a sack race in women's clothing, then hey, strap the fake breasts on and get jumping.

Take the piss, at your own risk. As an option, I think everything I mentioned as a plausible follow-up is typical and IC.

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:egypt:

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Originally Posted by Privateerkev

Scopia...

The province no one wants, but no one wants their opponents to have.

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Who said that no one wants it? :clown:

I'm well aware, I'm just trying to weasel my way out of having to write another chariot race. People need to be aware that if another race is run and if the avatars themselves personally compete, that there is a chance of death. Collisions have decent odds of occurring and a bad collision effect roll can result in the death of the charioteer. I will not change this system just because actual avatars are racing. The odds of death are low, but they still exist. If avatars insist on racing, then that will be a chance they will have to take.

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Originally Posted by TinCow

I'm well aware, I'm just trying to weasel my way out of having to write another chariot race. People need to be aware that if another race is run and if the avatars themselves personally compete, that there is a chance of death. Collisions have decent odds of occurring and a bad collision effect roll can result in the death of the charioteer. I will not change this system just because actual avatars are racing. The odds of death are low, but they still exist. If avatars insist on racing, then that will be a chance they will have to take.

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I imagined Mak and Caesar racing in the Hippodrome. What a nice dream though. :clown:

Btw TC, those are epic writing skills you're using with those ESPN reports for the races...

Ever thought of leaving your law firm or whatever and joining a sports network ?

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Originally Posted by TinCow

I'm well aware, I'm just trying to weasel my way out of having to write another chariot race. People need to be aware that if another race is run and if the avatars themselves personally compete, that there is a chance of death. Collisions have decent odds of occurring and a bad collision effect roll can result in the death of the charioteer. I will not change this system just because actual avatars are racing. The odds of death are low, but they still exist. If avatars insist on racing, then that will be a chance they will have to take.

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Now we are talking TC. Let the boy's have a little more riding on the outcome. Nothing like a little potential death at the Hippodrome to sort out the men from the boys.

Personally I don't think OK should go anywhere near another race. I favour dragging the two by the ear into the Magnaura, hear them air their differences and then passing judgement with a particularly bad attitude about it.

But hey, I'm just cranky after getting nailed in a Steering group meeting by a bunch of lawyers...so I could be subconsciously looking for an argument.

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Originally Posted by Tristan de Castelreng

Btw TC, those are epic writing skills you're using with those ESPN reports for the races...

Ever thought of leaving your law firm or whatever and joining a sports network ?

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Sure, but I'll need a time machine. It's easy to write a commentary like that when you know the final results beforehand! :laugh4:

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Originally Posted by TinCow

Sure, but I'll need a time machine. It's easy to write a commentary like that when you know the final results beforehand! :laugh4:

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Either way, they are highly entertaining. I read them out loud to get an even better appreciation of how well you are writing.

It's great fun :beam:

Entirely agree with what's been said. Great writing TC.


If it takes a fight to the death, on the racetrack or the battlefield, Niki'll do it. If he's got to go out, let him bring a new kind of politics in the Magnaura...

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Originally Posted by Ibn-Khaldun

I imagined Mak and Caesar racing in the Hippodrome. What a nice dream though. :clown:

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That's funny, I dream of Theo swinging from the gallows with his intestines hanging out and wrapped around his torso like a neck tie.

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Instead of racing, we should just institute the ThunderDome to settle disputes.

"Two Senators enter, one Senator leaves."

Frankly, though the idea appeals to me, I don't think I'd risk Methodios in a Russian roulette...

Nursing an avatar takes work and dedication. Losing your avatar in battle in game is in the order of things (it's to be expected) but losing him on a roll of a dice sucks... IMHO

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Originally Posted by Tristan de Castelreng

Frankly, though the idea appeals to me, I don't think I'd risk Methodios in a Russian roulette...

Nursing an avatar takes work and dedication. Losing your avatar in battle in game is in the order of things (it's to be expected) but losing him on a roll of a dice sucks... IMHO

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Don't ever do PvP then... :laugh4:

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Originally Posted by Privateerkev

That's funny, I dream of Theo swinging from the gallows with his intestines hanging out and wrapped around his torso like a neck tie.

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This sounds fun indeed.. I heard that Theo is already doing that every Monday to Wednesday froam 5 am to 6 pm.. :clown:

As always entertaining reading gentlemen.

I have been waiting for the save all evening, however a player has had the save for nearly FOUR hours now and therefore it is getting time for my bed.

I am slightly frustrated for I believe the next time I will be at the computer the turn will surely have passed. I may get up early tomorrow morning.

I give the benefit of the doubt to Knights of Palma who probably has just forgotten to post it or something. I have been racking my brains but I can think of little system better than the one we have in place.

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I am slightly frustrated for I believe the next time I will be at the computer the turn will surely have passed. I may get up early tomorrow morning.

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If it only involves a movement, let me know where you want to go and I will move you when I take the save back.

If it involves a battle, I will extend the free move period. :yes:

Alright, I sent KP an email asking him what is up.

I'm extending the free move period.

I'll take the save back Thursday 4:30PM US CT or 9:30PM GMT.

Yes we've gone from high stakes gambling to a debate format, look at what you made me do! :laugh4:

I wonder what we'll do when you go and kick the bucket, draw straws?

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I think they should "rochambough" each other for Scopia Cartman style.

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Originally Posted by Privateerkev

Alright, I sent KP an email asking him what is up.

I'm extending the free move period.

I'll take the save back Thursday 4:30PM US CT or 9:30PM GMT.

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Thanks PK, I do wish to fight a battle and I need a little time to make screenies.

I have awoken, and still the save is not returned KP must have an issue.

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Originally Posted by Privateerkev

I think they should "rochambough" each other for Scopia Cartman style.

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That's up next if the debate doesn't work out. . .

If someone disappeared with the save, shouldn't we just move on with the last complete one?

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Originally Posted by OverKnight

If someone disappeared with the save, shouldn't we just move on with the last complete one?

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Yes.

KoP is the guy who had computer trouble a week or two ago also, right? I'd say let's assume he's having those problems again and move on.

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Alright, I declare the save to be open. If KP returns with the save, his save will be declared invalid.

Free move period will end Thursday 9:30PM GMT. If people need more time, let me know.

I'm having a brain fart. Can someone help me figure out when (game year/turn) Pavlos Chrysovergos (Ituralde) achieved the rank of Patrikios?

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Originally Posted by TinCow

I'm having a brain fart. Can someone help me figure out when (game year/turn) Pavlos Chrysovergos (Ituralde) achieved the rank of Patrikios?

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He gained his third vassal here.

That would start his Antypatos timer. From the various links in the History thread, it seems this started on 1125. (You look at the timestamp of the post and compare it to timestamps of other posts, such as Megas reports, to figure out the year.)

He gained his fourth one here.

In 1132, Pavlos would have met his TIR for Patrikios. He had 4 vassals so he would have been promoted immediately.

Pavlos got his 5th vassal in 1135.

He'll meet his TIR for Duke in 1140. The Caesar might leave the House before then if the Emperor dies but Pavlos can just give land to Motep's avatar.

Thanks

Phew, I don't remember these bodyguards being so powerful!!!

They ripped that Jihad army to shreds largely themselves - now I know why you guys are so confident at carving empires of your own with yourselves and 20 horsemen for company.

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Originally Posted by Smowz

Phew, I don't remember these bodyguards being so powerful!!!

They ripped that Jihad army to shreds largely themselves - now I know why you guys are so confident at carving empires of your own with yourselves and 20 horsemen for company.

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Yeah, the times we have lost avatars has been when there has only been one RBG on the field. You get two or more and there is little you can not accomplish.

Which brings in how I feel about the raw power of the bodyguard. No offense, but it kinda eats away at the game for me when I can take 4 cavalry and defeat an army 6 times that size easily. I like the challenge of battle, and it's starting to feel...missing. I don;t know about you guys but I could do for some slight rebalancing...

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Originally Posted by YourLordandConqueror

Which brings in how I feel about the raw power of the bodyguard. No offense, but it kinda eats away at the game for me when I can take 4 cavalry and defeat an army 6 times that size easily. I like the challenge of battle, and it's starting to feel...missing. I don;t know about you guys but I could do for some slight rebalancing...

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I like that there are no limits on RBG's in a stack. Because it requires inter-player cooperation. The AI was always going to be absurdly easy and we knew it.

Also, banding together RBG's helps to minimize the effects of a neglectful Megas. But an army is still needed. And that is for taking and holding large cities.

I'm not talking purely against the AI though, more or less about PvP. The imbalance in my opinion will show up so greatly that it will come down to who was unlucky enough to lose a single man from their RBG unit to random missile fire.

Well there will probably be a massive amount of RBG's on both sides in a PvP.