OOC Thread and Chatroom 2

I think the key point is that we didn't open a new Senate session, we re-opened the old one to settle business that had yet to be settled. I imagine the same thing would happen if, by some chance, an Edict passed that was discovered not to be legal after the fact. These are the exact words of the Protoasecretes:

"As this is unprecedented in the history of the entire Known World, I will re-oppen the Senate floor for debate for a 24 hour period." (Emphasis added, but corrections not made)

Also I'd like to note that I've now invited three characters to declare war on Vissa or take some civil war worthy action, and in all three cases I appear to have been declined. I genuinely worry that our ruleset has created too much stability, and eventually I may want to take Vissa a little out of character to make the declaration himself.

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Originally Posted by Ramses II CP

Also I'd like to note that I've now invited three characters to declare war on Vissa or take some civil war worthy action, and in all three cases I appear to have been declined. I genuinely worry that our ruleset has created too much stability, and eventually I may want to take Vissa a little out of character to make the declaration himself.

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Something tells me that if you were sitting in Constantinople, instead of Egypt, more people would take you up on it. You are now very inconvenient to make war on... :laugh4:

As for stability, this is exactly what people wanted when we wrote these rules. A couple of us, you and me included, wanted things to be more fluid. But a lot of people wanted those in power to be able to keep it easier. Which is exactly why influence is static during a senate session. It's to prevent a vassal from holding his lord "hostage" during a vote.

Also, I think we tend towards stability ourselves. We have the option to move the chains around pretty much at will so people take comfort in that and then don't upset the apple cart. It is hard to swim uphill. And I have used far too many metaphores.

I'd like to put an option on Methodios' son Ioannis, in case things go bad in Alexandria...:skull:

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Originally Posted by Tristan de Castelreng

I'd like to put an option on Methodios' son Ioannis, in case things go bad in Alexandria...:skull:

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Is that like a stock option? Would you be willing to "sell short" on that option? :clown:

Apologies to all, but I do not have time to read the previous posts or to read or answer any PMs that have been sent to me recently. My wife has come down with appendicitis and is going into surgery this afternoon. This is not a serious operation, but I will be AWOL for the rest of today (unless the hospital ends up having wifi) and some part of tomorrow. Please forgive any tardiness in posting or replying to PMs.

I know the vote is due to commence while I will be AWOL. Both GH and OK have my permission to end debate and open up the voting thread when the time expires. I expect to be back on a normal schedule before it finishes.

I hope the surgery goes well. All the best to your family.:yes:

Sorry to hear that TC. I hope everything turns out ok. :beam:

I am controversial! Yay! :cheesy:

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Originally Posted by TinCow

Apologies to all, but I do not have time to read the previous posts or to read or answer any PMs that have been sent to me recently. My wife has come down with appendicitis and is going into surgery this afternoon. This is not a serious operation, but I will be AWOL for the rest of today (unless the hospital ends up having wifi) and some part of tomorrow. Please forgive any tardiness in posting or replying to PMs.

I know the vote is due to commence while I will be AWOL. Both GH and OK have my permission to end debate and open up the voting thread when the time expires. I expect to be back on a normal schedule before it finishes.

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I'll keep you and your family in my thoughts TC. Hope the laparoscopic procedure is still possible in her case, it's supposed to make a big difference in the time to heal.

Wife had her gall bladder out rather suddenly about a year ago, and while it was scary at the time she remembers it now as a pretty decent three day vacation. We were at a brand new hospital with essentially an entire floor to ourselves and a bored, doting staff. :laugh4:

FYI frequent, gentle shoulder massages help with the absorption of the air left over after a lap, at least they did for us, and that was the most painful bit of the whole deal.

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By the way, I'm quite pleased to see that we now have all the real LotR villains in a single House. Makes things quite a bit easier for the future. :yes:

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For those election watchers like me, I have figured out what influence has changed if TC rules in favor of Andres. I figure, until this is resolved, we should just keep two seperate tallies. One with the one interpretation of the influence, and one with the other.

I have gone through the chain changes in both Asteri and the Caesar's House.

And with all that shifting around, only 1 influence has changed.

Kalameteros loses the ability to get 1 influence from being married to Anna because he no longer has the rank to make use of it.

So, for those of you keeping tallies out of curiosity, count degeurra as 1 influence in one and 2 influence in the other.

If anyone else finds any influence changes, please let me know. :book:

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Originally Posted by Ramses II CP

By the way, I'm quite pleased to see that we now have all the real LotR villains in a single House. Makes things quite a bit easier for the future. :yes:

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What Villains? You mean that you are finally coming out clean with the dirty and treacherous plans of the St.John?:holiday:

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Originally Posted by Kagemusha

What Villains? You mean that you are finally coming out clean with the dirty and treacherous plans of the St.John?:holiday:

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What's funny is that no one can name a single dirty and treacherous plan of ours other than vague abstracts. :laugh4:

That other house though, has "real" villians in it. From a certain biased subjective point of view of course. :beam:

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Originally Posted by Privateerkev

What's funny is that no one can name a single dirty and treacherous plan of ours other than vague abstracts. :laugh4:

That other house though, has "real" villians in it. From a certain biased subjective point of view of course. :beam:

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Mere slander and rumours!:laugh4: It seems Kantakouzinos is starting to develop into a Goebbels like a character. Im really starting to have fun with that guy. Its not like some houses plans have been revealed, more like they have done what they have wanted to do, no matter of some biased opponents of them:2thumbsup:

*craks open a beverage and grabs some popcorn*

Most interesting up in this abode.

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Originally Posted by Motep

I am controversial! Yay! :cheesy:

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Welcome to the club... :2thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Kagemusha

Mere slander and rumours!:laugh4: It seems Kantakouzinos is starting to develop into a Goebbels like a character. Im really starting to have fun with that guy. Its not like some houses plans have been revealed, more like they have done what they have wanted to do, no matter of some biased opponents of them:2thumbsup:

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I'm glad your having fun with him now. I know you were a little dissillussioned with him a few weeks ago. :yes:

As for Houses "doing what they want to do," I think they've all done that to a certain extent. Which is the point. Imperial politics is a web of competing interests all tugging at each other. They all believe their vision is the right one for the Empire and they all need political power in order to bring about their vision.

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Originally Posted by Privateerkev

I'm glad your having fun with him now. I know you were a little dissillussioned with him a few weeks ago. :yes:

As for Houses "doing what they want to do," I think they've all done that to a certain extent. Which is the point. Imperial politics is a web of competing interests all tugging at each other. They all believe their vision is the right one for the Empire and they all need political power in order to bring about their vision.

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Yes.You are absolutely right in that.:yes:

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Originally Posted by Privateerkev

Welcome to the club... :2thumbsup:



I'm glad your having fun with him now. I know you were a little dissillussioned with him a few weeks ago. :yes:

As for Houses "doing what they want to do," I think they've all done that to a certain extent. Which is the point. Imperial politics is a web of competing interests all tugging at each other. They all believe their vision is the right one for the Empire and they all need political power in order to bring about their vision.

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Thank you for the gracious welcome. There should be a group...

To add to your point, they do what they see is right no matter what...despite the fact that they are usually wrong.

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Originally Posted by Motep

. There should be a group...

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And now there is! :2thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Motep

And now there is! :2thumbsup:

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The controversial players group...

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Jan from KotR would definitely qualify. :yes:

I don't think Mak is any more "controversial" than any of the other high profile characters.

Efstratios probably could have qualified. Hypatios is in there. Maybe Anastatios. The Caesar I am not sure of. He is controversial to some but not to others.

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Originally Posted by Privateerkev

The controversial players group...

:laugh4:

Jan from KotR would definitely qualify. :yes:

I don't think Mak is any more "controversial" than any of the other high profile characters.

Efstratios probably could have qualified. Hypatios is in there. Maybe Anastatios. The Caesar I am not sure of. He is controversial to some but not to others.

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Do not fret! Everyone has an alotted place!

(everyone on here, anyways)

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Originally Posted by Ramses II CP

By the way, I'm quite pleased to see that we now have all the real LotR villains in a single House. Makes things quite a bit easier for the future. :yes:

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Originally Posted by Elite Ferret

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Don't tell me your surprised at being labelled "evil" after exterminating thousands of women and children. :clown:

They were asking for it :clown:

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Originally Posted by Elite Ferret

They were asking for it :clown:

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Were they asking to be violated both before and after you killed them? :beam:

So I'm an evil character now? :inquisitive:

And for nobody declaring war on Vissa. I think if it were just Vissa many more people would have declared war, my character included, but as it stands declaring war on him may well result in an Empire-wide Civil War, which most people don't want.

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Originally Posted by Privateerkev

Were they asking to be violated both before and after you killed them? :beam:

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No just before, I was merely doing God's work :angel:

Sorry to hear that TC, I hope everything goes well :yes:

And EF, don't play innocent, you have two illegitimate kids :clown:

If it's alright with you I might make my next avatar one of the kids, or at least RP it that way...

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Originally Posted by OK

Now it appears we also have some unorthodox manuevering of oaths as well in order to influence the second round of voting, which I'm not sure is legal in this situation.

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Actually, this maneuvering has nothing to do with the vote, it's about boosting the feudal chains of both Asteri and Tagamata. If you don't believe me check Asteri's votes - we all voted for PK. Wait until Northnovas gets back and all will be made clear.