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How exactly are we going to determine Laevinius' guilt? The battle was autoresolved, so is this just a big role-playing exercise where we make things up?
When I fought the battle when we weren't sure what was going to happen, it took place at night, and in the rain. I had trouble locating the exact ford; maybe we could use that in his defense? Just not sure what to do here. :dizzy2:
But if you save during the end-of-turn battles, it's a bit tricky to activate the script, no?
Also, why are our motions going like this?
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Surely we should have them go like this?
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Mafia style drama, see who can convince more votes in his favour ~DQuote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
~:idea: This gives me a great idea!
Do you guys mind if I do a story on Laevinius for the Writing Contest? It'll be called "The Tragedy of Publius Laevinius" or something like that and it'll detail his experiences through the game. Could start out with the expansion of Rome to becoming a hero and end with what happens with the trial.
I'm all excited now :dizzy2:
Sounds interesting to me. And I believe the whole trial is to make the players feel more involved with their specific characters. Enhancing the rpg part of the game.
Well, we'll deal with the facts laid before the jury by the accusor and the defendant. Obviously much cannot be known, but much can be said of the circumstances, both fair and foul. People already have opinions about his guilt that they have created in their own minds without much information at all. It shouldn't be hard to come to a decision in an organized debate on the matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
I think you idea about writing the story of Publius Laevinus would be fabulous. You already have a rich backstory to work with, complete with screenshots!
Thanks econ and TinCow for the switch, appreciate it.
GH, that sounds great! I can't wait to read it, what a wonderful idea.
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Quick question. Can or should a Tribune lead a Legion or is he always an assistant to a Legate or somesuch?
In actual Roman times... he should never lead a Legion, though he can command a smaller detachment if necessary. Frankly, not even a Legate should be leading a Legion if we're playing historically. In our game Tribunes have started to regularly lead Legions simply because there aren't enough of the higher ranks around to allow us to be choosy. I think we're still very wary of allowing a Student to command a force (family members don't even gain combat traits until they become Legates, no matter how great the victory) but we've already had many Tribunes fighting battles.
I see, thanks. So if a Tribune is leading a legion, you've manually transferred over the Legion ancillary right? What happens if you don't transfer out a Legion ancillary banner, and the character becomes a Praetor. Will it disappear on its own and the Field Army one will appear or do you have to do it manually?
Much to the anxiety of your resident upstart. ~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
Kidding. I understand it's all in the rp, :2thumbsup:.
But then what's a good rp without a resident upstart? :laugh4:
Oh, I think what you're doing is great Lucjan. Don't get discouraged if the Senate doesn't go along with you. I almost got impeached while I was Consul!
Wonderland: Yes, we have been manually transferring the Legion banners when we change commanders. The banners don't disappear when a character advances in rank though, all that happens is that more banners get added on. If anything, we're more likely to have too many banners eventually than too few.
In my game it refused to advance Tiberius Coruncanius to Praetor without him first giving up his Legio I banner though.
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That happened in our game too! Having not realized that two banners were causing an issue, Tiberius Coruncanius has still not been promoted to Praetor. Hopefully that will be resolved when we restart.
Guys,
The position of Praetor (judge) in this trial to come. I have put myself forward for this posting (mainly as I have no battles to play).
Whilst, perhaps, my current Avatar is acceptable for such a position. I’m willing to accept a different Avatar if you feel a Spy isn’t suitable.
Options for punishment?
I’d like people to have a think about what Punishments could be handed down, in-game, to a character.
My immediate thoughts are that we can do such things as:
Exile – force the character to govern a small settlement for a set number of years.
Redemption – give the character a near impossible “Senate Mission” – i.e. take a half legion and re-capture the lost Eagle and it must be done within 2 years
Stripping of Titles – i.e. the removal of the characters positive ancillaries and his gained titles (such as Tribune)
OR – any combination of the above.
Can anyone think of any others we can physically do?
Serving as a Tribune for a while would be nice.
Pilgrimage to Jerusalem? ~;p
Pilgrimage to Jerusalem seems not *suitable* in pre-christian rome as their religion does not come from there. Maybe to Troy, the legendary home of the Romans is a better choice?
Is that held by the Selucids?
...crying shame there was no city called "Baccus Waterus", could have sent him there :dizzy2:
Oh! perhaps being compulsed to visit each Academy facility in the Republic and spend 2 seasons in each.........after he's stripped of his current Ancilleries that is.
Could end up being a perfect Roman after that :idea2:
Hence my ~;p
There is of course a tiny little problem of Troy not existing on the map, since the Greeks destroyed it. The closest is Pergamon, I suppose, and that's in the hands of a massive neutral faction.
Braden: shifty's never here in the WotS, so someone else has to stand for him.
Ok, understood. I think we'll have to make an IC excuse for his non-attendance.
Illness due to wounds or just can't be found (hiding somewhere)?
I'm inclined to wait until GeneralHankerChief has written his story - also a Praetor still has to be officially elected.
I think we can gather some decent IC info about what happened, start a trial and enact a judgement that'll add value to the game as a whole.
Guys, I hate to say this, but this is starting to get dominated by lower house senators. Upper House senators like me have nothing to do.
I have collated the motions and their seconders in the first post of the Senate deliberations thread.
On the issue of First Consul - is it right that we have no candidates other than DDW and his co-consul idea? If so, we need to think about logistics. I am loathe to make co-consulships the norm because although it is historical, the problem of assigning power between two players is tricky and I don't really want to devise new rues for this possibility. The easiest way to play this might be for DDW to be the First Consul, but allow him to pass on savegames for TinCow to play out as he sees fit (ie effectively delegate his power as First Consul on an ad hoc basis). Given both are experienced and cooperative players, I think it would work in this case but as I said I am leery about making it the norm.
I think we need to hear from TinCow that he agrees to run with DDW as the latters candidature was contingent on this.
TinCow, the instructions for removing the Disinherited trait aren't working. I tried it in my current game, and it seems like it should work, doesn't give any "trait not found in database" message but the trait is still there. The other ones work fine though. Also, are those other 3 traits only for the purpose of this game? As in, will they ever be granted during the course of a regular game in any circumstances? Also, is it possible to manually give a character an ancillary? Particularly a named legion ancillary. One more thing... is it not possible to have more than one Provincial Governor at a time? I had two characters with 21 years military experience, one before the other. The first was placed in a city and became Provincial Governor as expected, but when I placed the second character in another city, his General trait disappeared but he didn't gain a governor one. Is something wrong here?
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econ, another thing we could do is Consulship could be reduced to 10 turns a piece, effectively splitting Consulship... I know it's not the best way to represent it, but considering the practical side of the game being a lot more involved now, with turns taking longer and more to report, that might be an effective way of going about it.
I agree with Econ21 - we need to confirm with TinCow that DDW's idea is ok with him and then run it as more an OOC mechanic rather than an IC "duel leadership" thing.
And...hey! I'm in the Upper house so this isn't THAT dominated by lower house members here...is it??
That's a possibility - it may be pretty much what DDW was thinking of doing anyway. It depends if the onerous nature of the First Consul position is what is deterring candidates. But I am not sure that is the problem - I suspect rather that the old timers have just had their go while the newcomers are too new or have too young avatars. However, if it is an issue for some, they are free to make the kind of joint candidature DDW proposed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wonderland
Personally, I think a 20 turn reign may be the sweet spot for RTW PBMs. It's long enough to get something done - each of our First Consuls has had time to achieve something without rushing. But not too long to be interminable (which a lifetime reign can be).
As far as the punishment issue goes, I would vote for a Re-education idea...something along the lines of his re-attending a scriptorium or academy for 4 years. And the stripping of a minor title.
I would be willing to be co-consul with DDW, playing the 2nd half of the term if TinCow can't. This week & next week just isn't good for me to play full on.
edit: actually no I wouldn't, cos then I go on lates for 3 weeks = not much RTW time. GAH!
You're welcome anyway :laugh4:
And of course, anyone else who wants to run as solo consul don't hesitate to do so. I'll probably vote for you !
So many Lower House Senators and no other candidates! We shouldn't allow this to become the norm. I think the elections and campaigning are the best part of this PBeM and I will be sorry if it simply turns into another hand-off between a few players.
I completely agree, but what can we do ? We already give the characters an increase in the hero trait if they do a term as consul., which should be enough incentive I would hope.
I worry about a two-week pause in the game. I believe momentum is the key for a succesfull PBeM.
I am for exile, which was very common, and will allow us to use this influential character in one of the troublesome Greek cities.
Off topic :
Argh, been shopping for books all evening. Suetonius or Livy ? Xenophon or Thucydides ? Ceasar or Tacitus ? I can't make up my mind with my limited budget ! Decisions, decisions...
I'd run, but just from an RP point of view my character's simply not old enough. And considering that he hasn't done anything remotely resembling Scipio, I'll have to wait a while before Marcellus is the proper age.