New Mafia Game: Rise of the Mob [Concluded]

btw, someone at least vote for Sir Moody to tie it up.

Reenk you lie to detective in a mafia game after he has been proven innocent by attack on mafia.What a brilliant strategy to help the town. I dont know how many times i have to tell you that i wasnt even a bit intrested about you until Sasaki informed me that you lied to him about being the Doctor. You can build up any conspiracy theories in your head as much as you like,but if you lie to the detective in a mafia game he will come after you if he catches you of doing that.:dizzy2:

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

I frankly find it amazing that you would doubt Kage.

• Investigating dead people: Two times in a row. Whoah! And I had said Kage and I discussed Seamus before hand, so he could only have faked one.
• The mafia didn't go after him because there was a doctor. Duh.
• Don's case was wildly off base.
• It would be foolish to claim detective if he was mafia
• The mafia targeted him proving his innocence!! :dizzy2:

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1) I don't believe in "coincidence"...
2) That would be the first time then. Remember detective Seamus in the Black Hand?
3) No, it was plausible until Csar shot it down.
4) No, you did it and got Kage lynched. I did it and nearly got Seamus to go for gold.
5) See Don's case.

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

You were a good choice for lynch, because it's good to lynch liars from a meta game standpoint. It's also completely logical to assume that townies aren't trying to help the mafia. I suspect you'll be lynched in the future under the "bros before hos" (tm) rule...people get what they deserve :laugh4:

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I agree that I was a good suspect, but the absolutely arrogant and dogmatic way you three went on about it was what was mistaken. IT DOES NOT FOLLOW THAT A LIAR=MAFIA! I was lying for a good cause.

Don't be so full of yourselves next time. Take time to actually see what is going on... :rolleyes:

The smart thing was to investigate me, you lot botched that big time.

About the "bros before hos"...

Hilarious. Wow, I only tried to help Mafia because you all looked so retarded thinking that you had won the game and patting yourselves on the back. When I was going after Kage, I was trying to help the town...

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

The town hasn't lost this yet, but if we do I hope you feel sorry :no:

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I'm not going to. You guys should though... :yes:

If you had MADE PUBLIC THE CASE AGAINST ME, I COULD HAVE CLEARED THINGS UP AND THIS WOULD NEVER HAPPEN.

Thought you were so smart with your PM's huh? :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

btw, someone at least vote for Sir Moody to tie it up.

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I shall,

Vote: Sir Moody.

Frankly, I don't believe Don's guilty, and I don't want to see him lynched until some sort of a solid Case has been presented. A tie, IE more time to discuss, would be in our best interest.

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Originally Posted by Reenk Roink

1) I don't believe in "coincidence"...
2) That would be the first time then. Remember detective Seamus in the Black Hand?
3) No, it was plausible until Csar shot it down.
4) No, you did it and got Kage lynched. I did it and nearly got Seamus to go for gold.
5) See Don's case.

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1) What about statistical significance?
2) I also addressed this earlier. We had a reasonable shot at doctor in that game, in fact our second choice would have been correct. There was also no prospect of lynching Seamus.
3) It's never been allowed in any game and never will be. Simple
4) We both did it after being accused. Kage hadn't been accused and there was no way he could have been confident that the detective had been killed.

Next time think it through before doing crazy stuff.

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I agree that I was a good suspect, but the absolutely arrogant and dogmatic way you three went on about it was what was mistaken. IT DOES NOT FOLLOW THAT A LIAR=MAFIA! I was lying for a good cause.

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I didn't say it was true, but the lynching sets a good precedent. When I lie I drop it pretty quick. You could have dropped it but didn't.

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About the "bros before hos"...

Hilarious. Wow, I only tried to help Mafia because you all looked so retarded thinking that you had won the game and patting yourselves on the back. When I was going after Kage, I was trying to help the town...

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But you did try to help the mafia...

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I'm not going to. You guys should though... :yes:

If you had MADE PUBLIC THE CASE AGAINST ME, I COULD HAVE CLEARED THINGS UP AND THIS WOULD NEVER HAPPEN.

Thought you were so smart with your PM's huh? :rolleyes:

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Kage did. He said you weren't the doctor.

On topic, Sir Moody. Strange man. But why aren't disco and X posting?

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

1) What about statistical significance?
2) I also addressed this earlier. We had a reasonable shot at doctor in that game, in fact our second choice would have been correct. There was also no prospect of lynching Seamus.
3) It's never been allowed in any game and never will be. Simple
4) We both did it after being accused. Kage hadn't been accused and there was no way he could have been confident that the detective had been killed.

Next time think it through before doing crazy stuff.

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1) I'm not going to bother doing the calculation, but I would expect a pretty low p-value would be needed to disregard that occurrence as variation. Certainly lower than .05...

2) There was no chance that Kage would be lynched here... Prole had no case, everyone believed Kage. Even I did at first before gaining doubt.

3) The fact that several people saw validity in the case argues against it. Also, I never have seen a detective uncover a special role, only get innocent and guilty results. Even Csar said that he wouldn't let detective uncover roles after this game...

4) What about me in Mafia V? I did it not knowing anything about the detective. I didn't know who would speak up. In fact, I had responses ready to argue against the real detective.

Sasaki, people are going to lie about having roles. The Spartan, theRTWguru, and me. The reasons are going to vary, but it happens, almost once every 2 games... The fact that all of you showed such confidence in my guilt is telling. Look where it got you... :shrug:

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

I didn't say it was true, but the lynching sets a good precedent. When I lie I drop it pretty quick. You could have dropped it but didn't.

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I was never given the chance to drop it. I knew you were trying to play me from your first reply. What could I do but push it? After all, Kage only had one vote, maybe I could convince the rest? That's why I committed suicide...

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

But you did try to help the mafia...

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I did. But my directions were vague. I could only guess that the doctor was PP. You basically gave it away with your "good guess" comment. I also told the Mafia to go after two innocents, but after you gave it all away, well, they killed off Kage too... :shrug:

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

Kage did. He said you weren't the doctor.

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After he had PM'd everybody and 4 votes were against me. Big whoop then, it is very difficult to get people to change votes. It is easier to change their minds before they voted.

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meh, Csar pm'd me and said the game was over. I forwarded that to Kage.

I still don't see what you planned on learning from kage by claiming to be doc. I simple rules clarification from Csar was all that was needed. You just wanted to be edgy. Csar quotes GH's rules in his first post, the conclusion is inescabable.

I considered revealing roles to detective in my game so perhaps I'm biased. It's a common variation.

You should have come clean when you realized the jig was up, this could have been averted. I would have gone for investigation if you had, I didn't encourage people to vote until the next day.

Also, I haven't been wrong about a detective claim yet so I'm going to assume I'm correct. Usually a simple "what do they have to gain/what do they risk losing" will do the trick. If gain>loss, lynch them, if not they are probably telling the truth.

So you did find kage suspicious, I'm just surprised that's all.

Someone vote for disco too. And maybe X. Make this a big a tie as we can here (can exclude dg).

If it's Disco, he's done a stellar job at seeming unmafia-like.... I don't believe it's Don, and Dutch seems to be cleared by online times.

vote: Sir Moody

I don't know who to suspect, but I do know that Csar broke his own rules by having night follow day 3 hours, not 24 hours later like that. That he's sending emails around telling people the game's over, when it's really not, seems patently unfair. If we lose, the mafia didn't win... Csar handed the game to them.

Vote: Csar.

and now X un balances the "tied" vote - the online times prove nothing really i was on yes but i dint read this thread until the morning after the kills were posted - at the time Reenk commited suicide Disco and Don were on as well so it could equally be them

basically al lwe have to go on is this

Don C was acting very very odd at the begining of last round throwing all kinds of wacky consipracy stroies all over the place after i voted for him... even after i withdrew my vote he kept it going...

Disco - Disco has been quite recently - odd as he has been on - he also took part in 2 bandwagons (one i started admitadly) he also "hid" for the begining of the game and suddenly appeared when we started a lynch the lurkers campaign

its one or the other - Dons knee jerk defence has me pretty certain its him but disco is showing classic mafia signs (inactivity and bandwagoning)

but it looks like we are going to lose as im the one going down and i AM innocent... guess you will have to take my word on that - can i get to throw rotten fruit at you all from the grave? it seems fair - Reenk can join in :idea2:

Okay, prior to the assasination attempt on Kagemusha, what evidence did anybody have that kagemusha really was the detective?

don you were ranting AFTER the first attempt on Kage...

Well, I've had my kicks. I'll do the honors before Csar shows up:

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Well, this game is certainly the most enigmatic I’ve played. I got the PM from Csar when it was the third round of Mafia V, and I was really getting into that game (making up detective story, new types of kills, etc).

I was very happy that I got selected again, and I briefly consider duel wielding Wanaxes before scrapping the idea due to it’s obvious retardation. :tongue:

So I definitely changed my style, with short, simple kills, spelling mistakes, and simple syntax. I also began to kill people with bullets and bombs; something alien to The Wanax.

Knocked off Kommodus in the first game, almost exactly as I knocked off Kommodus in Mafia V. While I really thought he would post less, it turned out to kill me in Mafia V (though he pretty much ignored Csar’s game for some reason).

Of course, Proletariat had to get investigated the very first round... :wall:

As soon as I saw this, I basically gave up hope for this game. Not only was Mafia V getting really juicy, but this one was all but lost. Prole was a good partner and she told me to vote for her (sorry I couldn’t avenge you :shame:).

I knew I had to go after Kagemusha, but there was also a doctor left. :sad: So basically, this was a game like GH’s (very hard) plus they had a doctor and killed on Mafia... I was screwed from the start. I had no immunities or helpers like other Mafia games and so I was screwed. This has got to be the hardest game for Mafia to win.

By the end of round 2, Prole was gone and I was all alone. :sad:

I couldn’t go after Kage either, as the doctor was almost certain to be alive. I basically ignored this game from that point. Csar had to nag me to get PM’s in, and I was so engrossed in Mafia V, that it was hard to concentrate at all on this game.

I just began killing off people randomly. I didn’t even look at the list of players, just went for the names that were big: Sasaki, GH, Sigurd, Seamus, JimBob... Just the names that I had seen a lot in my glimpses of the thread. I never expected to make it anyway, and so my kills got shorter to the point where they were just names (Csar got pissed at this, sorry). People began to think that I was toying with them. No, not in this game at least.

After a while of ignoring the game, I saw that there were only nine people left! I was amazed, and I suddenly became very interested in the game, seeing a possible victory open up just like that. I made the comment in the thread, and was ready to knock off Kage. I though the doctor would be dead by now, but I was wrong.

Kage was protected by the doctor. No matter I thought, nobody suspects me at all. I was just going to wait out the lynch and kill two more townies (Kage was ignoring me as well), but then Sigurd Fafnesbane had to show up. :stare:

He brought up a comment I had forgotten about in Mafia V. (Note to Hosts and Deaders: Stop allowing dead people to look up old threads and then speak. Seriously people, go watch TV or something...) Now, my partial intelligence comment was true, as it was not completely about the change in my kill styles, but the comment was damning, and Sigurd kept pushing it.

I panicked. I knew that I could outdo him in argument to survive this round, but the fact that Kage was still alive bothered me. Plus the fact that I still needed to survive for two more lynches.

I tried to utilize my last stratagem. Going to Sasaki and Kage about my doctorness. This failed horribly and I knew it from the start. Initially, I had wanted to keep telling Sasaki for Kage to investigate me, so that he wouldn’t investigate me. But Sasaki’s first reply gave away the fact that he was playing me. “Cool” he said. I knew then that they had figured out who the doctor was (I figured out later by process of elimination from Sasaki, as the only name he didn’t mention to me in our long correspondence was Peasant Phill). I sent my PM to Csar, first complaining about the fact that he let the detective figure our roles in his investigations, and second, asking to commit suicide by swirly. I also asked him to give a fake ending, because I felt that I had been shafted and wanted the trio to taste some vengeance of the Reenkmeister. I can’t go away empty handed. :laugh4:

After this, I played along with Kage and Sasaki, defending myself and my innocence. After I was killed, I made up a bogus story about being a townie who just wanted to make sure. It worked. Sasaki become worried about the game again and Kage just got really pissed. :laugh4:

What, you guys think I’m not going to have my fun? :tongue3:

Anyway, good game all, and I hope there are no hard feelings about my end of game deceit. :bow: :shakehands: ~:grouphug:

On a sadder note: I failed again, and will probably never get another chance... :no: :shame: :disappointed:

ok now im really confused ... we won? it wasnt don? ok i look a right idiot now ive been after don for 2 rounds for no reason....

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Originally Posted by Sir Moody

ok now im really confused ... we won? it wasnt don? ok i look a right idiot now ive been after don for 2 rounds for no reason....

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Gah...

You think you have it bad... I failed...again.

I couldn't avenge you Prole, I'm sorry... :shame:

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Originally Posted by Sir Moody

don you were ranting AFTER the first attempt on Kage...

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Yes, I was. But only because I hadn't read the kill descriptions closely, and the summary said that Kagemusha was 'saved'. I originally read that as follows:

-Doctor protected Kagemusha
-No attempt was actually made on Kagemusha.
-BUT, Csar reported it back as "Doctor protected Kagemusha".

I realize I was wrong in all of that, but that was my thought process. If Kagemusha WAS mafia, he'd know the doctor would be protecting him. He could have just ordered 1 hit and let the town assume the rest. It would have been pretty clever.

Now, question for all of you...

Until Kagemusha had an assination attempt on him, why did any of you believe him? We lynched Proletariat on nothing other than Kagemusha's unsubstantiated claim. We got lucky as far as I'm concerned, because it could have just as easily gone the other way.

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Originally Posted by Don Corleone

Now, question for all of you...

Until Kagemusha had an assination attempt on him, why did any of you believe him? We lynched Proletariat on nothing other than Kagemusha's unsubstantiated claim. We got lucky as far as I'm concerned, because it could have just as easily gone the other way.

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Well, I believed him because he sniped my partner.

If I was just a townie, I would initially believe him as well (you just don't do that so early in the game unless you are for real), but begin to have my doubts after he kept investigating dead people and not getting targeted...

Yeah the games over. Me and RR decided to have a little fun.

RR and Prole were mafia.

Kage was detective

PP was Doctor.

I'll have a write-up on the events of the game tomorrow or later today unless the people don't want one.

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See, I told you you were mafia. You just don't listen :p

Good, I didn't like to think you'd screw over the town like that. Well it was certainly dramatic.

Reenk though, we didn't suspect you at all until you sent that pm. We would probably have investigated Sir Moody or X. Still, you might have had a lot of trouble in the round of 3 with everyone else confirmed innocent I guess.

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Originally Posted by Csar

Yeah the games over. Me and RR decided to have a little fun.

RR and Prole were mafia.

Kage was detective

PP was Doctor.

I'll have a write-up on the events of the game tomorrow or later today unless the people don't want one.

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Csar https://img178.imageshack.us/img178/...motarghbr6.gif messing with us.

Well I'm glad I didn't horribly misread the situation. My only mistake was believing csar :shame:

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

Csar https://img178.imageshack.us/img178/...motarghbr6.gif messing with us.

Well I'm glad I didn't horribly misread the situation. My only mistake was believing csar :shame:

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Hmm I find it hard to believe that anyone believed my kills. I'm such a horrible liar after all. Especially since I didn't let PP protect someone. But I figured that would be realistic I mean he was killed first. I mean WTH@!@@!@@#@:beam:

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

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See, I told you you were mafia. You just don't listen :p

Good, I didn't like to think you'd screw over the town like that. Well it was certainly dramatic.

Reenk though, we didn't suspect you at all until you sent that pm. We would probably have investigated Sir Moody or X. Still, you might have had a lot of trouble in the round of 3 with everyone else confirmed innocent I guess.

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Yep, but I knew Sigurd's post would eventually come and bite me, if not in that round. So I was essentially screwed, and I tried to get close to Kage as one last grasp. Didn't work out... :shrug:

I'd have probably said "cool" even if I didn't know who Phill was btw. I should have realized that would seem suspicious to you though.

You play a tricky game Reenk https://img109.imageshack.us/img109/...motrockjy8.gif

Well, the last hour and a half have been quite.... strange...:inquisitive:

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Ahh.Sorry about my harsh words Reenk.Im just really sore looser and i have quite of temperament in me.:bow: Im really happy we won this game also the facts that i could reveal myself to individual people and found out roles in my investigations gave me lot more to play with my role.When the game started i couldnt believe that i got Prole in the first round. Since the first round the person i was most suspicious about was Csar, since it was too good to be true getting Prole and during the whole game i kept nagging to him that i suspected whether or not i was even the real detective. Also Ignoramus stunt in the middle game extended my paranoia even more.About my reveal, you should re-read my post about my strategy before i revealed myself. Since i was pretty sure that i would be traded on Prole.Basicly killed after or before her. I can still remember what happened to me against Sasaki vividly.I choosed to try to get an ally and from GeneralHankerchief i got an great one. First he helped me a lot to get the towns support and then by dying in hands of the mafia he garnered lot more support for me. In the endgame before i found Phil i was very worried about the fact that Reenk kept killing the same people i was investigating. But at this point i had Sasaki on my side. And i wouldnt be sure whether or not the end result would have been this without him and his work behind the scenes.:bow: Yesterday after Reenk had contacted me i was completely sure about town victory,but for the last time in this game Csar succeeded fooling me that things didnt go how i thought. I was so frustrated and angry that i had to get out of the chat and Org ,before i might say something i would regret and still today i was angry to Reenk how he could sabotage our game so badly. So my apologies to everyone for my harsh words. But in the end thanks for all the players and Csar for this great game!And cheers for the town we are Victorius!~:cheers:

*pops into thread*

Man, this is the stangest mafia game I've ever seen...anyways...

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Knocked off Kommodus in the first game, almost exactly as I knocked off Kommodus in Mafia V. While I really thought he would post less, it turned out to kill me in Mafia V (though he pretty much ignored Csar’s game for some reason).

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Ha! You killed him in both games and got him angry enough to go after you. ~;p

Don - Kage's reveal was very similar to when he revealed early in Godfather 2 (I think).

Crazed Rabbit

So, at the end of the day, I should have believed Kagemusha because.... he said he was the detective? And it was suspicious of me to not just accept him at his word? Has anybody thought about how that's going to play out next time Kagemusha is mafia, not actually detective?

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Originally Posted by Don Corleone

So, at the end of the day, I should have believed Kagemusha because.... he said he was the detective? And it was suspicious of me to not just accept him at his word? Has anybody thought about how that's going to play out next time Kagemusha is mafia, not actually detective?

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Yes. Kage claims, real detective claims, we lynch both. Good for town. It's the late game claims and the under pressure claims you have to watch out for.

Heh, nice ending everyone! :laugh4: I guess it's just out of style to let a Mafia game be over when it's over, huh?

Congratulations to the once-again victorious town, especially Kagemusha and Sasaki who were very effective in their pursuit of the mafia! Kage, you had some notable good breaks - identifying Proletariat in round 1 and learning of Peasant Phill's identity - and you put them all to good use. I apologize for abandoning this game and not being around to help the town, but in the end you didn't need me. :2thumbsup:

Congratulations to the mafia, Reenk Roink and Proletariat, on a game well-played. Prole, you sure had a tough break in the beginning, getting sniped by the detective before the game could get started. I would've liked to see what you could've done had you been mafia for longer - hopefully you get another chance.

And Reenkazoid, what can I say? You really don't like me much, do you? :skull:

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Originally Posted by Reenk Roink

Knocked off Kommodus in the first game, almost exactly as I knocked off Kommodus in Mafia V. While I really thought he would post less, it turned out to kill me in Mafia V (though he pretty much ignored Csar’s game for some reason).

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Just kidding; I know it was all strategy and not personal. In this game it worked; my death caused me to abandon it. I'm not sure why; I guess I didn't feel like whispering from the dead in more than one game at a time.

You also had a tough break with Kage finding out about Peasant Phill's identity as the doctor. You certainly couldn't have predicted that. Who knows whether or not your deception would've worked, had it not been for that? But you certainly played the end-game stunt like a pro. :dizzy2:

Finally, thanks are in order to Csar for a game well-moderated. It was your first time, and I think you will get better, but this was not a bad first start at all. I respectfully disagree with your choice to give Kage the identity of Peasant Phill - in most games the detective only gets a guilty or innocent verdict, not the precise role of the target. But I think that overall, the game was fair regardless, and it was fun.

This game had a rather low level of discussion in the beginning, and I thought the mafia would take it... but ya'll came back and put the smack-down on the dastardly mafia once again! Three cheers! :balloon2: :balloon2: :balloon2:

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Originally Posted by Kommodus

Finally, thanks are in order to Csar for a game well-moderated. It was your first time, and I think you will get better, but this was not a bad first start at all. I respectfully disagree with your choice to give Kage the identity of Peasant Phill - in most games the detective only gets a guilty or innocent verdict, not the precise role of the target. But I think that overall, the game was fair regardless, and it was fun.

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Well this is how I looked at it. If the detective could figure out if people were mafia then why couldn't he figure out who the Doctor is. It just seemed logical to me.

Thanks everyone for playing my game and I'll probably host another one, but it might be a little while before I do. I plan on making it somewhat different and probably adding a couple of twist's but I'll have to work all that out. Until next time so long.