The second two names were Ituralde and Sir Boo. In the first and second rounds respectively. Kommodus received Sir Boo, Csar, Ituralde.
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The second two names were Ituralde and Sir Boo. In the first and second rounds respectively. Kommodus received Sir Boo, Csar, Ituralde.
So you did say you did that in the second round right? Well here you go.Quote:
Originally Posted by JimBob
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=344
This says I attempted to kill GH in the second round. Which is impossible if JimBob made his choice to be me in the second round.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=350
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=412
So first I was a mafioso now I'm a cult member. omgwtf I'm innocent ;)
Unvote:UltraWar
Vote:Prole
Where you at Prole? Seems kinda suspicious that you haven't posted in a while.
Vote Count
Kommodus 3 (al khalifah,doc_bean,Kommodus)
ichigo 2(ultrawar,Xiahou)
Prole 1(ichigo)
Al Khalifa 1(Ituralde)
abstain(dutch_guy,husar)
Dang I thought a lot more people voted. I figured I had more votes than Kommodus. WeirdQuote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
I don't think either Kommodus or Ichigo is guilty. In fact I believe everyone is barking at the wrong tree at the moment. Sir Moody is very high up on my suspect list. The spelling mistakes were a perfect obvious frame and thus also the perfect alibi for him. To me he just seems to fit what I view as mafia behaviour. So;
Vote: Sir Moody
Fair enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ituralde
My reason for suspecting Kommodus is that I have suspected him for some time and now there is a significant movement against him I feel the time is right to put my vote towards seeing him lynched. I'm not certain he is mafia, but of the players still in the game I think he is most likely to be so. I don't really believe much of this phone number cypher stuff - but other people seem to put faith in it - it's merely adding to my suspision not the cause of it.
Vote: Ichigo
I do not yet want Kommodus dead.
In truth, I am most concerned with Dutch_guy's 4 non-votes followed by a ringing "abstain." Lurking at this stage is not apropos....
No evidence for my vote. Seems about right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
I have suspected you for much of the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ichigo
My suspicions are actually less than before this.
The vote is purely to engineer a tie between you and Kommo. If he drops his self-vote I'll gladly give Dutch_guy the attention I think he deserves.
It's not a tying vote. It's 3-2 now with voting closing in around three hours.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
... reference post 483; changes since...
Kommo: Doc, Al-Kal, Kommo
Ichi: X-man, Ultra, Me
2-3 others with 1 vote.
Get someone to swith to Dutch, vote Dutch yourself, and I'll make three and he can zip past both of you for the win.
I'de rather not see Kommodus die so
Unvote:Prole though your still suspicious
Vote:Dutch_Guy
Well do for obvious reasons. Your not really adding anything to the discussion your about like Sigurd up there lieing about the phone numbers and trying to get Kommodus lynched.
Vote: Dutch_Guy
...huh.
Strange doings are afoot, it seems. I expected to check back in and see a landslide of votes against me. Instead, it looks like a... tie. Or close.
And apparently I have Jimbob to thank for it. Well, that explains this:
Quote:
Originally Posted by PM from Sasaki Kojiro
IIRC, I got that between the second round's execution and the third round's kills. I wondered what was up with that... now I know. I guess a note of thanks is in order, JB - I didn't think that note would have much of an effect on anything.
Well, given the situation I suppose it'd be a bit morbid for me to put the lynch vote on myself, so I'll take this opportunity to...
Unvote: Kommodus
Vote: Sir Moody
I mean, numerically, he's still my prime suspect. Also, there was a curious little spat between him and GH in the beginning, which could've been an attempt to distance himself from GH, especially since his vote for GH was quickly retracted. He did vote for GH in the latest lynching round, but only after it became apparent that GH was going down. Lately he seems to be laying kinda low, especially since I named him earlier. :inquisitive:
Oh goody, now I can go to bed.
Unvote: Ichigo
Vote: Dutch_guy
reasons in posts above
Not as suspicious of Moody yet, but you may have it right Kommo -- other data points to consider?
Dutch_guy has been lynched.
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Dutch_guy 3 (Ichigo,Jimbob,Seamus)
Kommodus 2 (al khalifah,doc_bean)
Sir Moody 2(AggonyDuck,Kommodus)
ichigo 2(ultrawar,Xiahou)
Prole 1(ichigo)
Al Khalifa 1(Ituralde)
abstain(dutch_guy,husar)
Killed (7):
Caius Flaminius
Kagemusha
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Warluster
Masy
Don Corleone
Sir Boo
Lynched(3):
Reenk Roink
GeneralHankerchief
Dutch_guy
Suicide(1):
Divine Wind
Alive: (16):
discovery1
Proletariat
Jimbob
Seamus Fermanagh
Xiahou
AggonyDuck
Sir Moody
Peasant Phill
Ituralde
Husar
doc_bean
Kommodus
Ultrawar
Al Khalifah
Ignoramus
Ichigo
pm's please
WHAT THE £€%@@$!!!!!!!
I don't believe it...
How could you let Kommodus slip away like that?
Didn't any of you see the kneejerk reaction of Discovery1 ?????
AND the obvious fake role that Kommodus claimed when the bandwagon against him got rolling?
COME ON!!!!
I shall haunt you people in your dreams... You will not see the end of this.
i miss one days voting and everything gets messed up - Dutch_Guy wasn't even on the radar and we lynched him because he wasnt contributing much??? wow thats really really bad reason to lynch at this stage - assuming GH was mafia that means we have 2 mafia left and 5 or 6 rounds left assuming no more suicides or WOG - lynching people who dont contribute much isnt going to help much.
so who tops my suspect list now?
Kommodus - how you didnt lynch him is a mystery to me he is the prime choice for a mafia outfit as he never explains any of his "methods" and is generally considered pro-Town. His odd role also has me highly suspicious of him
Ichigo - im not sure here but hes a complete flip flop - one second hes a saint and helping the town the next second hes throwing wild accusations around and the sudden twist onto Dutch_Guy rather than komm has me wondering what is going on
Seamus Fermanagh/jimbob - they both joined Ichigo very quickly and saved komm with no real explanation they just jumped on board
AggonyDuck - oh joy more quick shots at my spelling how i enjoy reading those - hes been laying pretty low up until now makes you wonder why he comes out of the woodwork and opens the door for kommodus to slip out without jumping on the Dutch_Guy wagon - seems a little too convenient to me
Proletariat - has completely dropped off the radar and is looking a WOG in the face, if she magically reappears then i would say lynching is in order
Hussar - lowest on my list - the early mafia messages were quite plainly trying to make us lynch him and we didnt - while i doubt it there is a chance it was too set up an iron clad alibi for Hussar, too risky in my books but...
Alright my contact with the masons have not responded as of yet but I feel the need to post this.
In light of JimBob’s reveal and the names he presented and when they were sent.
I shall inform you that both those names ; Ituralde and Sir Boo was attempted murdered the nights JimBob sent those messages. This could of course be a coincidence and doesn’t really mean that Kommodus or Ichigo is mafia.
I however believe that Kommodus is Mafioso in this game.
Ituralde was protected the night I died. If you remember there was only one kill that night. I don’t know if the Masons get a message telling them that their protected player was attempted murdered.
Sir Boo was protected by the Masons two nights in a row but was killed the night he wasn’t protected. As you all noticed when Don C got killed there was only one kill that night too. I believe that was the night Kommodus should have acted against Sir Boo if he was a mafia.
Also… The reason I rallied support for Ichigo was because he contacted me, thinking he had a role that he hadn’t been informed with. He copied the contents from Sasaki’s Pm and it is correct as JimBob told us, Ichigo got a red slip with the name of Disco and a blue slip with the name of Ituralde.
The question is: Did the mafia know about JimBob’s role or was it Sasaki who changed the kills if necessary? Also noteworthy is the fact that the masons put Sir Boo in their message naming him innocent. So the attempts on his life should not be a surprise.
I have to wonder though. Why the mafia attempted 2 unsuccessful kills on the man and a third successful when it is obvious that the masons put Sir Boo up as bait.
Signed,
Sigurd F
Your friendly ghost, spiritual advisor, townie spook and Archenemies of the Godfather
Do you really think disco is surprised that you react in such a way?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane
He would happily defend all townies as long as we lynch them for that reason.
He would also happily defend his mafioso if we don't lynch them for that reason.
You are taking disco too much into consideration concerning your judgement.
I unvoted him because I can understand his opinion and he did make sense apart from that role, then again, even the role may be true, I don't know what roles Sasaki invented.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane
I'm still waiting to see the fate of dutch_guy since my voting pattern is very similar.:2thumbsup:
And on top of that I even challenged the "evidence" against GH, I mean, isn't it obvious that I am pro-mafia? You guys rally have some weird voting patterns considering that I am still alive. Almost makes me hope that disco comes up with an awesome kill for me.:juggle2:
Well, we'll see this night.
"Jumped on board" mine arse. I STARTED the movement for lynching Dutch. I pushed for it for several posts. I did so because he seemed suspicious. Another with his voting record had already been removed, yet he was allowed to continue in play....Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir Moody
Moreover, despite Sigurd's stridency, I am not yet convinced that Kommo should be our target. I would like to see the evidence against him put into a single post, neatly, so we can evaluate. He makes a great CHOICE for a mafioso, but that does not mean he must have been chosen. He is not "clear" of suspicion in my eyes, but neither was I willing to run him up a pole based on what I'd read to date. Let's see the case.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane
Wrong, Sigurd. I got my message from "Little Timmy" between the second round's execution (when Reenk was lynched) and the third round of kills (when Warluster and Masy were killed). That's right, there were two kills that night.Quote:
Sir Boo was protected by the Masons two nights in a row but was killed the night he wasn’t protected. As you all noticed when Don C got killed there was only one kill that night too. I believe that was the night Kommodus should have acted against Sir Boo if he was a mafia.
That makes this the second time you've lied to try to get me lynched. :inquisitive: Why anyone would trust you at this point is beyond me.
At this point it appears that Sasaki included several non-mason pro-town roles. I think it's safe to assume he would've also included one or more pro-mafia roles as well, to keep things balanced. I'm also pretty sure that one of those roles belonged to Sigurd. Obviously the mafia didn't know about it, since they killed him.
This makes Sir Moody even more likely to be the second mafioso in my view, as if earlier considerations weren't enough. Is he possibly feeling a bit of pressure after receiving two votes last round? His list of suspects appears to highlight some of those I consider most likely to be innocent. :no:
Okay, please recount/expand upon your case against Sir Moody and upon the differing evaluations you have of the suspects he names.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kommodus
A Kommodus who will NOT expand upon his analysis is one I am leery of.
Ah, what the hey. I'm currently writing a document explaining my various methods, which I hope to post soon, so I might as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
My current method is the same statistical analysis program that I used to nab you and Reenk in Mafia V. The program gathers and calculates various stats to measure people's posting patterns. There are a number of different metrics evaluating factors such as post length, posting frequency, delay between the start of a turn and first post, etc. As the method evolves I add more metrics.
Since the program makes it easy to calculate these stats for just about all the games that have been played on this forum, I can look at essentially the following two things:
- How does a player's behavior compare to that of past mafiosi?
- How does a player's behavior compare to his/her past behavior?
The evaluation of these questions, of course, is really more art than science. There are certain things to look for - for example, Sir Moody's posting frequency falls within the range mafiosi have usually been found. Also, his posts have been much longer in this game than in the past; this is often indicative of a person taking the game more seriously. Stuff like that tends to indicate a role - not necessarily mafia, but probably something.
When a player raises a red flag mathematically, I then use the program to extract all their posts and evaluate them subjectively, to see if any other red flags are raised. In this case, I noticed the argument between GH and Sir Moody in the first round; I also noticed that Sir Moody retracted his vote for GH rather quickly. It also became apparent that Sir Moody was a bit late on the final GH bandwagon. These considerations raise more red flags for me.
As for those on Sir Moody's list, well... I'm away from my home PC right now and can't look up their stats at the moment. However, IIRC most of them just don't look as suspect. I don't remember all the details right now; I'll have to check again when I get home.
Fair enough.
Actually, your methodolgy and mine run fairly parallel -- though I put more of an emphasis on the interplay of previous votes.
The subjective points you spotlight are those all of us evaluate.
Your initial sifting program would appear to be a key difference -- adding a lot of discipline to your intial "read." This is, frankly, better than what I have been doing on that level. Kudos! At least I was thinking of the correct metrics -- just never put in the time you did to systematize.
I look forward to your precis regarding the other suspects.
Oh my god, you fools
You were played, all of you. How could I even defend myself - didn't you realise I'd be asleep the entire time?!
So in the end, the attention I deserved was for me to get lyched - without having the chance to defend myself.
You screwed up guys, good job mafia. Good job Seamus.
:balloon2:
Now you know why I changed my vote to abstain so often.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kommodus
Sigurd's "proof" seemed somewhat created at times and he liked to mention that he wwas proven innocent(I think I pointed that out before but maybe that was only in the chat, can't find it anymore).
He was also quite sure of what he said all the time, had contact to the masons, a doctor etc and seemed to be pulling strings behind the secene, maybe all this was to help the mafia, I don't know. He also explained as a mafioso he would go after innocents "Sasaki style", going by his really condemning ways and aggressive behaviour, as well as the constant "I'm really sure, I pulled this and that string, here is the 100% proof evidence, now go and lynch!" there is a certain chance he may have a secret mafia support role but I wouldn't be too certain about it, may just be an eager ex-townie who is a bit(or a bit more) wrong at times.~;)
Oh, and I just got reminded that he gives disco a lot more credibility than he should.
[QUOTE=Kommodus]
I didn't vote for Kommodus, nor did I ever want him lynched - you're going to have to prove that utterly ridiculous statement. Voting for me is fine, hmmz, but adding such an idiotic reason is just sad :no:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ichigo
By the way, why don't you want to see Kommodus die ? What has he done so far this game ? He hasn't pointed out someone, with his famed method, nor is a prime mafioso target dead yet. Either by lynch or by mobster death.
Well, have to agree. Seamus simply hinting at me being bad started the wagon in the first place, not exactly the thought out moves one expects of Seamus - very, very strange. He didn't even state why ? Guys, think for your selves !Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir Moody
Good, suspicious.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
Right, why was that again ? Because, as you very well know, people don't get WoG'ed because they don't vote (note how one get's added to the abstainees when one doesn't post a vote, one merely has to contribute) but because people stay out of the game - Completely ! Not quite my behaviour now was it ? (note: you're all perfectly able to answe that yourselves, even without Seamus' guiding hand)
So the only thing I did was lurk, as I do in all games, and that was enough. You're a pretty good choice for a mafioso yourself, you know. So is every member here, we'd all make good ones considering our experience playing the game. Heck, with your well thought out posts (normally) you'd be a grand choice.
Also, I'd rather be run up a pole than simply lynched without being able to defend myself. Not that hard to understand either.
Now why would we want that, I mean, you didn't have to convince the town to lynch me - you merely had to ask. Why extend him that courtesy ?Quote:
Moreover, despite Sigurd's stridency, I am not yet convinced that Kommo should be our target. I would like to see the evidence against him put into a single post, neatly, so we can evaluate.
Why don't you do so now. He hasn't been of any help to the town, plus, he as a person is suspicious enough as it is. More so than I am, I bet his voting patterns can affirm that !
Sorry for the last bit Kommodus, but his blatant protecting of your person is quite obvious...
:balloon2:
i retracted my vote when prole went from kill csar mode to kill sir moody mode at the drop of a hatQuote:
I also noticed that Sir Moody retracted his vote for GH rather quickly. It also became apparent that Sir Moody was a bit late on the final GH bandwagon
and since General was one of the players i posted in my list of suspects ealier i dont see how me voting for him during the bandwagon was such a suprise - i work a 9 to 5 job and when i get home i play games for a few hours before i read the forums - that is why i was late to vote you will find i dont often make votes between 5 and 7 normally
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dutch_Guy
I wasn't talking about you I was saying your not really adding anything to game. The bottom part was about Sigurd not you. I said you were acting like Sigurd not really doing anything. Sigurd is just throwing around lies and accusations while you and just saying random crap up until now.
Atleast Kommodus is doing something other than picking out quotes and saying crap.