Out of character thread XVII

I'm happy to have the orders revealed - it can't spoil anyone's plans now that the rebellion is over.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

He probably would have killed Hans outright and then used any other prisoners (von Hamburg, von Salza maybe) as bargaining chips - after doing something nasty to them first. :evilgrin:

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I bet it is not nearly as nasty as what I had planned for Jan to do if he captured Dassel.

Imagine being locked in a cell and having Jan read the Bible to you... for hours on end.

A few days of that, and Dassel would have begged for sweet merciful death...

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

He probably would have killed Hans outright and then used any other prisoners (von Hamburg, von Salza maybe) as bargaining chips - after doing something nasty to them first. :evilgrin:

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You are still fixated on the killing Hans thing? It really is not smart to kill a prisoner and then start to negotiate. Especially, the elder brother of the person you are negotiating with. Sorry, PK and Warluster, but in such a situation, Elberhard would probably shoot the hostages himself and then Dietrich. After that, he would change his name from Kaiser Elberhard to Keyser Soze.

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Originally Posted by econ21

You are still fixated on the killing Hans thing? It really is not smart to kill a prisoner and then start to negotiate. Especially, the elder brother of the person you are negotiating with. Sorry, PK and Warluster, but in such a situation, Elberhard would probably shoot the hostages himself and then Dietrich. After that, he would change his name from Kaiser Elberhard to Keyser Soze.

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Thats ok. If Jan lived, captured Dassel, and found out Dassel had executed Hans before his capture, he would have walked up to the young knight, pulled a pistol, and blew Dassel's brains out.

He would have felt real bad afterwards but he would have done it. :yes:

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Originally Posted by Privateerkev

Thats ok. If Jan lived...

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Interesting, at the time, I did wonder how far Jan's "no execution" principle would have extended had he captured Dietrich[1]. Since it was Jan's soldiers who did capture Dietrich, I considered having them follow what I thought were his principles. However, I did not think it very plausible. I believe in WW2, German soldiers who killed (in "fair" combat) Allied soldiers in open view and then tried to surrender usually were unofficially executed. Snipers often suffered from this.

[1]I think at the time, GH was also making a related (mis)calculation.

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Originally Posted by econ21

Interesting, at the time, I did wonder how far Jan's "no execution" principle would have extended had he captured Dietrich[1]. Since it was Jan's soldiers who did capture Dietrich, I considered having them follow what I thought were his principles. However, I did not think it very plausible. I believe in WW2, German soldiers who killed (in "fair" combat) Allied soldiers in open view and then tried to surrender usually were unofficially executed. Snipers often suffered from this.

[1]I think at the time, GH was also making a related (mis)calculation.

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Well, since Jan did die, I didn't have to think really quick on the fly. So, I pondered it. And in my pondering, I concluded that if Jan had to walk by his decapitated friend, then someone was going to die. I would have asked you to wait a few minutes as I wrote a story of Jan just standing there thinking. He'd wrestle with the decision. And then he'd just do it. And then he would puke his guts out afterwards. I was even toying with making him go suicidal but his retinue would tackle him and stop him.

This is all just speculation though. If I was confronted with the quick multiple choice thing GH had to deal with, I don't know which I would have picked.

Now if Dassel had spared Hans, then there would definitely be no execution. I was even planning on having Jan confront Hans over the issue. Hence why I spoke to you and TC about figuring out who actually would have custody over the captured avatar, in the event of a Dassel and/or Luther capture.

Jan was a merciful guy but even he had his limits...

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[1]I think at the time, GH was also making a related (mis)calculation.

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At the time, I believed that PK was focusing all of his efforts on taking the city before I could get back. I figured I would finish Hans's army off and then either make a clean getaway or head back into Bern to join the fight, depending on the situation.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

At the time, I believed that PK was focusing all of his efforts on taking the city before I could get back. I figured I would finish Hans's army off and then either make a clean getaway or head back into Bern to join the fight, depending on the situation.

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I'm still amazed and amused at the many assumptions we all made in that battle. I assumed you'd stay in the city. You didn't stay. I assumed you would come back right away. You didn't come back. Econ's system definitely portrays the "fog of war" in a realistic way. We had to make quick decisions without updated or accurate information. Basically we were just guessing a lot.

Kind of like real war. :yes:

I think it's funny that after all that debate over whether "lawfare" would derail the Diet, it's religious arguments that are doing it. :clown:

Oh yes, the discussion in the Diet is spinning nicely out of hand. I'm trying to keep Fritzy icily sneering rather than openly confrontational, but I suspect it's only a matter of whether Peter or Elberhard checks in first which side gets, at best, squashed, and at worst, banned.

Fun, fun! Now, having stirred the pot, I'm off to bed.

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If I remember correctly, aren't most of the Electors (except possibly the newer ones) Lutheran?

Hey guys, is it just me or does my avatar look suspiciously like John Cleese?
https://img107.imageshack.us/img107/...rail130nl8.jpg

Close resemblance.:laugh4:

No it is the other way most are Catholic. At least the old Guard. There are a few Luthern but we are still a predominant Catholic Reich and hence the issue for the Outremer to protect the Papacy and Jerusalem.

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Originally Posted by Northnovas

Close resemblance.:laugh4:

No it is the other way most are Catholic. At least the old Guard. There are a few Luthern but we are still a predominant Catholic Reich and hence the issue for the Outremer to protect the Papacy and Jerusalem.

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Ok, I wasn't sure. I remember seeing an OOC thread where players voted on their avatar's religious persuasion. I thought most of them had by far and away voted Lutheran (at least 2:1).

Maybe I'll crop and resize that pic, and use it for my avatar pic on the forums. :clown:

I was wrong, it was half and half.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=92421

With so many Lutheran figures in Swabia dead, and presumably at least some of the new guys being Catholic (Andreas is, as is von Hapsburg), I think the Lutherans may be in the minority now.

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Originally Posted by econ21

Good work on updating the history, Overknight. :bow:

But what was that "Fight or flight" description about the Kaiser leaving Outremer? :furious3: He wasn't fleeing anywhere - he was returning to fight Dietrich (although that's not exactly how he tried to portray it publicly, I know).

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Hmmmm, the judgement of History is harsh sometimes, perhaps that was one of the few times the objective veneer of the Imperial Historian was lost. :laugh4:

In my defense, it was a catchy title, "Fight or Fight at another place later and a continent away" would have been less appealing. If you have a suggestion for a replacement, I'm all ears. :yes:

Edit: As for all the bally hoo about how to address Matthias, meh, it's not all that important. He's really not all that into titles. If you wish to be technically correct, the best kind of correct there is, since he's been reappointed by the Kaiser he is currently King, and if 14.2 passes, he will be Viceroy.

Of course since he's basically in charge of something the size of a county I find it all a bit silly.

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Originally Posted by OverKnight

If you have a suggestion for a replacement, I'm all ears. :yes:

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"Bravely Sir Robin ran away... brave brave Sir Robin..."

"When danger reared its ugly head, he bravely turned his tail and fled."


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Originally Posted by OverKnight

Hmmmm, the judgement of History is harsh sometimes, perhaps that was one of the few times the objective veneer of the Imperial Historian was lost. :laugh4:

In my defense, it was a catchy title, "Fight or Fight at another place later and a continent away" would have been less appealing. If you have a suggestion for a replacement, I'm all ears. :yes:

Edit: As for all the bally hoo about how to address Matthias, meh, it's not all that important. He's really not all that into titles. If you wish to be technically correct, the best kind of correct there is, since he's been reappointed by the Kaiser he is currently King, and if 14.2 passes, he will be Viceroy.

Of course since he's basically in charge of something the size of a county I find it all a bit silly.

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So, what level Bureaucrat are you? :clown:

Concerning Elberhard

"Bravely taking to his feet
He beat a very brave retreat"

~;)

Well theres the thing that von Salza is Luthrean, did I forget to mention that?

econ21, you may reveal the orders I sent in for the BoS. It is a shame they never got to use, it would've been quite interesting.

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Originally Posted by Zim

So, what level Bureaucrat are you? :clown:

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Level 36, if the CA passes Level 34.

Glad to have another Futurama fan in the crowd. :2thumbsup:

Don't quote me charter amendments. I co-chaired the committee that reviewed the recommendation to revise the color of the book that amendment's in. We kept it gray....

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Originally Posted by OverKnight

Level 36, if the CA passes Level 34.

Glad to have another Futurama fan in the crowd. :2thumbsup:

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Flydude makes three. Apparently there are a lot of us. :beam:

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Originally Posted by Zim

Flydude makes three. Apparently there are a lot of us. :beam:

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Just don't expect me to do a little dance on a pile of paperwork...

that's 4...

And to keep up with the quotes, "Life… death… either way I'll be confined to a tiny cubicle!"

I better add a quote of my own, then. :clown:

"I heard beer makes you stupid."
"No I'm...doesn't!"

Is it from the same episode? :clown:

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Originally Posted by Privateerkev

Is it from the same episode? :clown:

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They have to be? Drat.

The good ones are taken. :clown:

How about "It was a regulation date that ended in regulation disappointment".

Or how about "I am Bender, please insert liquor!"

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Originally Posted by Zim

They have to be? Drat.

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Well, until your "beer makes you stupid" quote, every quote from all of us was from the episode
"How Hermes Requisitioned His Groove Back"

Not only were there Futurama fans around here. But there were fans geeky enough to know exactly what episode was being talked about. :2thumbsup:

I resent the implication of that remark. I am geeky enough to recognize the episode, as can be shown by my pulling two quotes from the top of my head. :clown:

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Originally Posted by Privateerkev

Well, until your "beer makes you stupid" quote, every quote from all of us was from the episode
"How Hermes Requisitioned His Groove Back"

Not only were there Futurama fans around here. But there were fans geeky enough to know exactly what episode was being talked about. :2thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Zim

I resent the implication of that remark. I am geeky enough to recognize the episode, as can be shown by my pulling two quotes from the top of my head. :clown:

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I never meant to imply that you weren't geeky enough. Your the one that first picked up on OK's quote.

But somewhere, you lost that geeky feeling. And now it's gone gone gone.

Whoa oa ooo...


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Originally Posted by Privateerkev

I never meant to imply that you weren't geeky enough. Your the one that first picked up on OK's quote.

But somewhere, you lost that geeky feeling. And now it's gone gone gone.

Whoa oa ooo...


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Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally, the line called for me to say "yes", but I added my own little twist.

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The idea of a candidates' debate is an interesting one.

It would have to wait until Monday when AG is back. One model would be to collect questions from other players, send a list to the candidates and post their answers consecutively in the Diet. Would anyone be interested in taking on that role? Ideally, a non-partisan character neither candidate would object to.

Are there going to be any other candidates, BTW? I always like candidates to declare early so that their manifestoes can define the agenda for debate.

I wouldn't mind doing that, since I'm online so much anyway.

A few questions:

1. Would it be done IC or OOC? That is, would I be the guy collecting the questions, or Andreas?

2. Do I solicit questions, or is it just announced that I will be collecting them and people can send them to me?

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Originally Posted by econ21

The idea of a candidates' debate is an interesting one.

It would have to wait until Monday when AG is back. One model would be to collect questions from other players, send a list to the candidates and post their answers consecutively in the Diet. Would anyone be interested in taking on that role? Ideally, a non-partisan character neither candidate would object to.

Are there going to be any other candidates, BTW? I always like candidates to declare early so that their manifestoes can define the agenda for debate.

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