A Bridge Zhou Far - Three Stars Rising [Concluded]

Oh, yeah, that's a bit different...

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Originally Posted by Double A

Oh, yeah, that's a bit different...

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lol I don't have a real life job. I'm enjoying a summer without work for once before heading to college.

Let me begin by saying thanks to all you who've traveled, from far and wide, to brave the cold today.
We all made this journey for a reason. It's humbling, but in my heart I know you didn't come here just for me, you came here because you believe in what this country can be. In the face of war, you believe there can be peace. In the face of despair, you believe there can be hope. In the face of a politics that's shut you out, that's told you to settle, that's divided us for too long, you believe we can be one people, reaching for what's possible, building that more perfect union.

That's the journey we're on today. But let me tell you how I came to be here. As most of you know, I am not a native of this great state. I moved to Peking over two decades ago. I was a young man then, just a year out of college; I knew no one in Shanghai, was without money or family connections. But a group of churches had offered me a job as a community organizer for $13,000 a year. And

I accepted the job, sight unseen, motivated then by a single, simple, powerful idea - that I might play a small part in building a better China.

My work took me to some of Shanghai's poorest neighborhoods. I joined with pastors and lay-people to deal with communities that had been ravaged by plant closings. I saw that the problems people faced weren't simply local in nature - that the decision to close a steel mill was made by distant executives; that the lack of textbooks and computers in schools could be traced to the skewed priorities of politicians a thousand miles away; and that when a child turns to violence, there's a hole in his heart no government could ever fill.

It was in these neighborhoods that I received the best education I ever had, and where I learned the true meaning of my Communist faith. After three years of this work, I went to law school, because I wanted to understand how the law should work for those in need. I became a civil rights lawyer, and taught constitutional law, and after a time, I came to understand that our cherished rights of liberty and equality depend on the active participation of an awakened electorate. It was with these ideas in mind that I arrived in this capital city as a state Senator.

It was here, in Somewherefield, where I saw all that is China converge - farmers and teachers, businessmen and laborers, all of them with a story to tell, all of them seeking a seat at the table, all of them clamoring to be heard. I made lasting friendships here - friends that I see in the audience today.

It was here we learned to disagree without being disagreeable - that it's possible to compromise so long as you know those principles that can never be compromised; and that so long as we're willing to listen to each other, we can assume the best in people instead of the worst.

That's why we were able to reform a death penalty system that was broken. That's why we were able to give health insurance to children in need. That's why we made the tax system more fair and just for working families, and that's why we passed ethics reforms that the cynics said could never, ever be passed.

It was here, in Somewherefield, where North, South, East and West come together that I was reminded of the essential decency of the Chinese people - where I came to believe that through this decency, we can build a more hopeful China.

And that is why, in the shadow of the Old State Capitol, where Yin once called on a divided house to stand together, where common hopes and common dreams still, I stand before you today to announce my candidacy for President of Communist China. I recognize there is a certain presumptuousness - a certain audacity - to this announcement. I know I haven't spent a lot of time learning the ways of Bejing. But I've been there long enough to know that the ways of Bejing must change.

The genius of our founders is that they designed a system of government that can be changed. And we should take heart, because we've changed this country before. In the face of tyranny, a band of patriots brought an Empire to its knees. In the face of secession, we unified a nation and set the captives free. In the face of Depression, we put people back to work and lifted millions out of poverty. We welcomed immigrants to our shores, we opened railroads to the west, we landed a man on the moon, and we heard a King's call to let justice roll down like water, and righteousness like a mighty stream.

Each and every time, a new generation has risen up and done what's needed to be done. Today we are called once more - and it is time for our generation to answer that call.

For that is our unyielding faith - that in the face of impossible odds, people who love their country can change it.

That's what Yin understood. He had his doubts. He had his defeats. He had his setbacks. But through his will and his words, he moved a nation and helped free a people. It is because of the millions who rallied to his cause that we are no longer divided, North and South, slave and free. It is because men and women of every race, from every walk of life, continued to march for freedom long after Yin was laid to rest, that today we have the chance to face the challenges of this millennium together, as one people - as Americans.

All of us know what those challenges are today - a war with no end, a dependence on oil that threatens our future, schools where too many children aren't learning, and families struggling paycheck to paycheck despite working as hard as they can. We know the challenges. We've heard them. We've talked about them for years.

What's stopped us from meeting these challenges is not the absence of sound policies and sensible plans. What's stopped us is the failure of leadership, the smallness of our politics - the ease with which we're distracted by the petty and trivial, our chronic avoidance of tough decisions, our preference for scoring cheap political points instead of rolling up our sleeves and building a working consensus to tackle big problems.

For the last six years we've been told that our mounting debts don't matter, we've been told that the anxiety Chinese feel about rising health care costs and stagnant wages are an illusion, we've been told that climate change is a hoax, and that tough talk and an ill-conceived war can replace diplomacy, and strategy, and foresight. And when all else fails, when Tsunami happens, or the death toll in Japan mounts, we've been told that our crises are somebody else's fault. We're distracted from our real failures, and told to blame the other party, or gay people, or immigrants.

And as people have looked away in disillusionment and frustration, we know what's filled the void. The cynics, and the lobbyists, and the special interests who've turned our government into a game only they can afford to play. They write the checks and you get stuck with the bills, they get the access while you get to write a letter, they think they own this government, but we're here today to take it back. The time for that politics is over. It's time to turn the page.

We've made some progress already. I was proud to help lead the fight in Peoples House that led to the most sweeping ethics reform since Jadegate.

But Bejing has a long way to go. And it won't be easy. That's why we'll have to set priorities. We'll have to make hard choices. And although government will play a crucial role in bringing about the changes we need, more money and programs alone will not get us where we need to go. Each of us, in our own lives, will have to accept responsibility - for instilling an ethic of achievement in our children, for adapting to a more competitive economy, for strengthening our communities, and sharing some measure of sacrifice. So let us begin. Let us begin this hard work together. Let us transform this nation.

Let us be the generation that reshapes our economy to compete in the digital age. Let's set high standards for our schools and give them the resources they need to succeed. Let's recruit a new army of teachers, and give them better pay and more support in exchange for more accountability. Let's make college more affordable, and let's invest in scientific research, and let's lay down broadband lines through the heart of inner cities and rural towns all across China.

And as our economy changes, let's be the generation that ensures our nation's workers are sharing in our prosperity. Let's protect the hard-earned benefits their companies have promised. Let's make it possible for hardworking Chinese to save for retirement. And let's allow our unions and their organizers to lift up this country's middle class again.

Let's be the generation that ends poverty in China. Every single person willing to work should be able to get job training that leads to a job, and earn a living wage that can pay the bills, and afford child care so their kids have a safe place to go when they work. Let's do this.

Let's be the generation that finally tackles our health care crisis. We can control costs by focusing on prevention, by providing better treatment to the chronically ill, and using technology to cut the bureaucracy. Let's be the generation that says right here, right now, that we will have universal health care in China by the end of the next president's first term.

Let's be the generation that finally frees Chinaa from the tyranny of oil. We can harness homegrown, alternative fuels like ethanol and spur the production of more fuel-efficient cars. We can set up a system for capping greenhouse gases. We can turn this crisis of global warming into a moment of opportunity for innovation, and job creation, and an incentive for businesses that will serve as a model for the world.

Let's be the generation that makes future generations proud of what we did here.

Most of all, let's be the generation that never forgets what happened on that September day and confront the terrorists with everything we've got. Politics doesn't have to divide us on this anymore - we can work together to keep our country safe. I've worked with ommunist Member Di Lu to pass a law that will secure and destroy some of the world's deadliest, unguarded weapons. We can work together to track terrorists down with a stronger military, we can tighten the net around their finances, and we can improve our intelligence capabilities. But let us also understand that ultimate victory against our enemies will come only by rebuilding our alliances and exporting those ideals that bring hope and opportunity to millions around the globe.

But all of this cannot come to pass until we bring an end to this war in Iraq. Most of you know I opposed this war from the start. I thought it was a tragic mistake. Today we grieve for the families who have lost loved ones, the hearts that have been broken, and the young lives that could have been. China, it's time to start bringing our troops home. It's time to admit that no amount of Chinese lives can resolve the political disagreement that lies at the heart of someone else's civil war. That's why I have a plan that will bring our combat troops home by March of 1945. Letting the Japanese know that we will not be there forever is our last, best hope to pressure the Sunni and Shia to come to the table and find peace.

Finally, there is one other thing that is not too late to get right about this war - and that is the homecoming of the men and women - our veterans - who have sacrificed the most. Let us honor their valor by providing the care they need and rebuilding the military they love. Let us be the generation that begins this work.

I know there are those who don't believe we can do all these things. I understand the skepticism. After all, every four years, candidates from both parties make similar promises, and I expect this year will be no different. All of us running for president will travel around the country offering ten-point plans and making grand speeches; all of us will trumpet those qualities we believe make us uniquely qualified to lead the country. But too many times, after the election is over, and the confetti is swept away, all those promises fade from memory, and the lobbyists and the special interests move in, and people turn away, disappointed as before, left to struggle on their own.

That is why this campaign can't only be about me. It must be about us - it must be about what we can do together. This campaign must be the occasion, the vehicle, of your hopes, and your dreams. It will take your time, your energy, and your advice - to push us forward when we're doing right, and to let us know when we're not. This campaign has to be about reclaiming the meaning of citizenship, restoring our sense of common purpose, and realizing that few obstacles can withstand the power of millions of voices calling for change.

By ourselves, this change will not happen. Divided, we are bound to fail.

But the life of a tall, gangly, self-made Somewherefield lawyer tells us that a different future is possible.

He tells us that there is power in words.

He tells us that there is power in conviction.

That beneath all the differences of race and region, faith and station, we are one people.

He tells us that there is power in hope.

As Lincoln organized the forces arrayed against slavery, he was heard to say: "Of strange, discordant, and even hostile elements, we gathered from the four winds, and formed and fought to battle through."

That is our purpose here today.

That's why I'm in this race.

Not just to hold an office, but to gather with you to transform a nation.

I want to win that next battle - for justice and opportunity.

I want to win that next battle - for better schools, and better jobs, and health care for all.

I want us to take up the unfinished business of perfecting our union, and building a better America.

And if you will join me in this improbable quest, if you feel destiny calling, and see as I see, a future of endless possibility stretching before us; if you sense, as I sense, that the time is now to shake off our slumber, and slough off our fear, and make good on the debt we owe past and future generations, then I'm ready to take up the cause, and march with you, and work with you.

Together, starting today, let us finish the work that needs to be done, and usher in a new birth of freedom on this Earth.

Elect: Nictel

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Originally Posted by Nictel

That's the journey we're on today. But let me tell you how I came to be here. As most of you know, I am not a native of this great state. I moved to Peking over two decades ago. I was a young man then, just a year out of college; I knew no one in Shanghai, was without money or family connections. But a group of churches had offered me a job as a community organizer for $13,000 a year. And


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A group of churches you say. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, just as it is the spirit of a spiritless situation. It is the opium of the people. The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions. Why do you even try to present yourself as a loyal communist when you are a member of the group that makes it so that the people are opressed by the ruling classes.

Just in case there are any rules about editing posts.

It is clear to me there are no more loyal communists in this party at this current time. No one deserves to sully the name of Mao and of communism by being leader when they are clearly KMT or Japanese thus I vote as a loyal communist that the leadership be dissovled and may the party show us the way forward so that constant class strugal may continue against the forces of Capitalism.

Vote Dissolve

Why are you dissolving the very tools that will enable you to stop the very forces bearing down on us?
You are removing an investigator role - that will enable you to find scum.
You are removing a blocker role - which will enable you to neutralise known scum.
You are removing a doctor role - which will save a townie in dire straits.
You are removing a tracker role - which will as in Nictel's instance, find scum in other places than they are supposed to be.

Without the pro-town roles -the town have doomed themselves. It will be a rat's race to the finish between the KMT and the Japs.
Dissolving the leadership positions is not a pro-town move.

We have allready lost the forces that move against us are too strong there are not enough good communists to fill the roles and I would rather die then allow any KMT or Jap to have accsess to the secret information that the leadership has. Whilst we may die the rest of the movement will remain strong for they will not be infultraited by those who will say they rooted out the psies when they are in fact spies themselves. Regardless of what we do we have failed why just yesterday we discovered a member of the scum and yet he still lives and instead one of the great leaders is dead. So regardless of what occurs from now there is not hope for the PEXDET.

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Originally Posted by Sigurd

Why are you dissolving the very tools that will enable you to stop the very forces bearing down on us?
You are removing an investigator role - that will enable you to find scum.
You are removing a blocker role - which will enable you to neutralise known scum.
You are removing a doctor role - which will save a townie in dire straits.
You are removing a tracker role - which will as in Nictel's instance, find scum in other places than they are supposed to be.

Without the pro-town roles -the town have doomed themselves. It will be a rat's race to the finish between the KMT and the Japs.
Dissolving the leadership positions is not a pro-town move.

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The officers' QT has the names of who is Japanese and who is KMT. As of now, all trusted townies already have the namesof the Japanese (Like you) and the KMT. I'd say if the town wants to have a chance then they won't give that information to you guys who revolted.

By refusing to re-form the leadership, Jolt, ACIN and Seamus open themselves up to recruitment. ACIN has claimed Jolt to be immune, but what of the other two? Can we even believe it about you, Jolt? One thing's certain: if some of you are counter-revolutionaries, then recruitment is not a concern for you, but the information in that QT most certainly is -- you will not want the other side to have access to it. Nor will you want to pack the leadership with your own cronies and your own cronies only -- you've already seen what that gets you, when the town and the opposing scum team up to take you out.

Nictel, there is no way on earth I am voting to elect you. As far as I'm concerned right now, the tracker, having directly outed two known KMT and one known Japanese, has a better claim to towniness than anyone else, and that makes you the top suspect. Though I do appreciate your campaign speech.

Vote: Dissolve

Officer core would probably be infiltrated by either Japs or KMT, due to the increasing number of... uh... casualties.

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Originally Posted by Jolt

The officers' QT has the names of who is Japanese and who is KMT. As of now, all trusted townies already have the namesof the Japanese (Like you) and the KMT. I'd say if the town wants to have a chance then they won't give that information to you guys who revolted.

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I wonder why GH would bother offering me an officer's position if he didn't believe me a trusted man, or a townie.

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Originally Posted by spL1tp3r50naL1ty

I wonder why GH would bother offering me an officer's position if he didn't believe me a trusted man, or a townie.

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You'll find out at the end game. :P

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Originally Posted by Jolt

You'll find out at the end game. :P

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Probably to get me killed by everyone revolting with me eh?

That still doesn't make me japanese :laugh4:

As I was saying to a certain KMT, after I was dead:

Vote: Revolt is basically a key to say "I'm Mafia guys! Everyone look at me!"

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Originally Posted by Jolt

As I was saying to a certain KMT, after I was dead:

Vote: Revolt is basically a key to say "I'm Mafia guys! Everyone look at me!"

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I wasn't mafia and I revolted, that only got me killed by the hairy man, which begs the question: who out of the leadership was the hairy man?

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Originally Posted by ArpeggiateTHIS

I wasn't mafia and I revolted, that only got me killed by the hairy man, which begs the question: who out of the leadership was the hairy man?

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I wasn't in the officership when you revolted. And that is my personal opinion, completely true so far woth one or two exceptions. Regardless, I can't say who is/was the Hairy Man either, as I'm dead.

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Originally Posted by Jolt

I wasn't in the officership when you revolted. And that is my personal opinion, completely true so far woth one or two exceptions. Regardless, I can't say who is/was the Hairy Man either, as I'm dead.

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There are so many mysteries about this game that I'm dying to have answered. Just. So. Many.

I'm also not mafia and I voted revolt.


Though my cohorts I cannot speak so assuredly of.

*looks at ATPG*

:l

Argh, I picked a great time for my laptop to go belly-up.

I know pretty much everything that's happened in this game, but I'll stay silent as a matter of propriety as well as practicality. Look out for my role reveal in three days, everyone. :wink:

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Originally Posted by spL1tp3r50naL1ty

I'm also not mafia and I voted revolt.

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Actually, you are just another example that proves what I said.

The only person I had faith in to be the next leader was Split, and he..... he..... abandoned me.

To GH of all people.

For shame, Split. Especially once you find out who I was, and who he was.

Dissolve the leadership. Do not let it fall into the hands of Sigurd and Nictel, at the very least. Please, have at least some dignity about this debacle.

In the aftermath of the Chairman's death, the Communists prepared to elect a new leader. However, instead of appointing someone with the talent and skills required to lead the Revolutionaries to utopia, the Socialists decided to dismantle the Party apparatus, for fear of another infiltration. That didn't stop certain Maoists from trying, with Nictel in particular making a long and stirring speech. However, his repeated references to Beijing as the capital (When it is clearly Nanking) and allegations of Rightist thought prevented him from achieving that post.

It is now the Night phase. This phase shall end in 22 hours at 22:00 GMT+1

Alive: 12/40

ACIN
ATPG
Captain Blackadder
Cute Wolf
Death is yonder
Double A
Jolt
Nictel
Renata
Seamus Fermanagh
Sigurd
Split


Lynched players 12/40

Azathoth
Beefy187
shlin28
Niklas
Pinman
TheFlax
YLC
miotas
M3YUZ
Romanic
Joooray
landlubber

Killed Players 12/40

Winston Hughes
Sasaki Kojiro
taka
Beskar
Chaotix
Psychonaut
johnhughthom
Secura
CDF
aThis
Yaesikhaan
wideyedwanderer
autolycus

Devoured by Rats/Consumed by Flames - 3

Thermal Mercury
Wishazu
AVSM

Deposed - 1

GeneralHankerchief

Alright this is pointless for any town people at this point.

You can commit suicide if you're still pretending to be town. The technical term is sepuku, I think.

Looking over my mountain of PM's ovr the past 5 hours, I had the perfect opportunity to survive but there is a good chance I have thrown it away. Maybe there was something to that accusation of masochism...

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Originally Posted by Renata

You can commit suicide if you're still pretending to be town. The technical term is sepuku, I think.

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Haha. Only if you committed suicide would I call it sepuku.

Yeah, at least, there was only few good townies left and this game was allready become KMT vs Japanese....
or something else, more insidious, also lurking inside?

Go hairy man go may you be hiding in the shadows.

KMT vs japanese vs a mad serial killer then....

So the town's all dead Cute Wolf? I'm sure you and your buddies worked very hard for that.

Man, what a chaos. :laugh4:

I'm kinda happy I'm already dead. :wink:

Chaos = fun.

hmm... next time, either KMT or Japanese must be all dead... this is CHAOSSS!!!!!

wow, this is going to suck for me. I'm going to comic con, so I have to do all of this by phone for the next 5 days.

Subotan, we going to have a writeup soon?

Whats going on with the write up?

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Originally Posted by Captain Blackadder

Whats going on with the write up?

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The American Imperialists have nuked Yan'an! :O We're all dead!

So, is the game cancelled? : (

Well, at least the town doesn't lose.

Very disappointing since the game was so close to hitting a conclusion. How much longer should we wait before revealing all?

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Originally Posted by Captain Blackadder

Very disappointing since the game was so close to hitting a conclusion. How much longer should we wait before revealing all?

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I'd give it another week. I do believe given the low numbers of people remaining, plus the fact that it is delayed, means that the next person in line with a large game should be given the go-ahead to go.

However it is up to our esteemed moderators.

I do believe that Subo is unfortunately going on holiday sometime soon, maybe even now. This may be the reason for lack of write-ups.

Of course, don't quote me on that, it's the reason he gave me for not taking part in Roving Elves.

EDIT: I last spoke to him two days ago, and he last checked into...eurgghhh....Facebook...two days ago.

I doubt he'd just leave like this though, I'm sure he'd at least say something.

Three more days, or 72 hours from now. Its already been a week since the last update. I feel like this is pretty lenient, but there's gotta be a prod. If it weren't so close to completion it would be closed by now.

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Originally Posted by Yaseikhaan

Three more days, or 72 hours from now. Its already been a week since the last update. I feel like this is pretty lenient, but there's gotta be a prod. If it weren't so close to completion it would be closed by now.

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some wild serial killer-assassin who kills some men would not be pleased with closure I think...

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Originally Posted by Cute Wolf

some wild serial killer-assassin who kills some men would not be pleased with closure I think...

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If he were alive, then he still would be a long way off from winning the game in any case.

I'm back from Comic-Con, looks like I missed nothing.

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Originally Posted by Yaseikhaan

Three more days, or 72 hours from now. Its already been a week since the last update. I feel like this is pretty lenient, but there's gotta be a prod. If it weren't so close to completion it would be closed by now.

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He said he had a write-up but it got deleted because the Internet was griefing him. Does that count?

Ok then, looks like the 2 months I put into this was pointless.

Another thirty six hours... if there's no update, open game will be declared on the thread.

First post-game revelation:

Yes, I was a townie, and yes, everyone who revolted are Mafia.

It would suck to see this game go out like that. :sad:

Congrats Subo, to the game that would have been but never was.

I had fun. I wish it had had a chance to play out.

Who attacked me night one and night two?

All Subo has to do is post results... I hope he gets back from wherever he is. How dare he have fun!

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Originally Posted by Jolt

everyone who revolted are Mafia.

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I would have revolted and I was vanilla. :P

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Originally Posted by Secura

I would have revolted and I was vanilla. :P

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I tried revolting but got killed by the Guy That Needs A Shave.

You're all revolting.

I revolt at the fact the Subo has left this game hanging without notice.

Vote: Subo

(I really want to know the roles behind this game)

EDIT: Even though I'm dead. Hey, poltergeists have feelings too. Especially leftie ones.

I was a member of the secret police tasked to help pexdet achieve its goals. Thus I was the person you all knew as the tracker and I had managed to get quite a few scum in the lead up to the end of the game.

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Originally Posted by Captain Blackadder

I was a member of the secret police tasked to help pexdet achieve its goals. Thus I was the person you all knew as the tracker and I had managed to get quite a few scum in the lead up to the end of the game.

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Ah. I was right about one thing.

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Originally Posted by Renata

Ah. I was right about one thing.

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How did you pick me?

Two main things: about a day into our South Bank isolation I realized you were the only person on the South Bank other than the officers and Cute Wolf who had to my knowledge never been in a protection group. Yet GH never once referred to you as a possible suspect -- he was dead silent on that issue. I also knew that Seamus was not responsible for ACIN's protection; he was doing something considered even more important. To me that said "CB is the tracker".

Later, Pizzaguy reminded me I had no idea what the Special Operative did, and after that I wasn't as sure it was you and not that role, though you were obviously still something worth GH's protection.

Well, its already started, but I'll make it official- open game on the thread. Subo's had a stupendous amount of time.

As Special Operative, my ability was to target one player at night, then control their vote for the next day phase. I was quite bummed with how this turned out. I was indeed a communist. I was a Kung Fu Sifu, and could use my martial arts in a night vig attempt to render the defender's resistances to any weapons null and void. I did still need to attack in group. Unfortunately... by becoming the Spec. Op. I was forced to use that ability, and wasn't allowed to do anything else at night. :shrug:


And yeah, pretty much everyone revolting was KMT and Japanese.

oh yeah, and I was actually a mad serial killer who kills most of the "pointless victims" :grin: ... oh yeah, and "false flag" ability, means that first time I was scanned in 3 sucession, I will be scanned as "vengevul avenger" but actually I have no side and just ordered to kill everyone..... :devil:

HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHHHAAAAAA........



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no, I wasn't the hairy man, I was another serial killer who always kill people pointlessly at random night, without bomb

Bummed that this ended like this, I really wanted the town to continue not trusting me :furious3:



Seriously though, I was a townie, but I was not Chineese. I'm a Korean who was looking to bring socialism to my country.

My ethnicity of course made me a suspect, if I was ever investigated by anyone, I would be revealed as guilty (Miller), but I was very much for the town.

I was convinced by ATPG (yet again) that revolting was a good idea, and I was convinced I needed to save the town by myself, and mistook ATPG for an ally again.


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Deleted my role PM by mistake, or I would post it.

I was the Koumintang Colonel, and our team had a rough, rough game.

http://www.quicktopic.com/44/H/XyA3uvCFiBu8


Early on, "Zeus"/Thermal Mercury was totally inactive, and the remaining KMT were Nictel and someone who died really early. It was pretty grim. Then we lost people to the tracker, and I joined the game as Zeus.

Nictel and I were desperate, and I suggested blind conversion (EXTREMELY DANGEROUS, seeing as only a few people could have possibly been converted to our camp). We managed to recruit Double A this way before we separated and went to the North Bank.

On the North Bank, I knew we were caught since GH suggested that his main suspects were over here. At first my idea was to scan for recruits, but after we lynched the inactive M3YUZ there weren't any remaining.

So it was time to murder someone, and reduce the strength of the town. By this time we had basically figured we were screwed as there was no way to oust GH and we were losing people so fast. So we thought about going out in a blaze of glory to aid the Japanese, maybe they would win.

Well, when we rejoined, the Admin finally came out against Renata and Sigurd, and my whole idea was to resist all administration attempts to get rid of further suspects. It was I who suggested to my team to leave their votes where they were when Renata was accused; and after I was spared by the admin during the lynch on landlubber, my entire team and Sigurd were included in the vig attempt on Renata, which we also foiled at my request.

Then, it was time to overthrow the General. I figured that Renata and Sigurd were Japanese by this point for sure, so we bull-spitted each other back and forth saying how awful GH was for the town, and how those delayed investigation results were harmful and potentially scummy, and unanimously agreed it was time to oppose the administration.

Seamus being inactive that round was an unexpected bonus. Khaan being dead was also a bonus since he could have put a stop to that whole effort. Yay.

With the admin gone, all the scums voted to cancel any future Chairmanship. I offered a draw to Renata and Sigurd, which if they accepted I would have made official, and had they not, we would have converted ACIN and vigilante killed Renata that very night.

No hard feelings; I did attempt to go for a draw. And yay, we got one by default.

I believe given the circumstances, we can all say we played a good game. :bow: We came back from the brink of defeat, to go into a 2/3 Jap, 3/4 KMT endgame where the townies were already keen on vig killing Japanese.

I can't call that a victory because it didn't quite happen, so I will call it a draw. Good job, Japanese Imperialists! Good job, Chinese Nationalists! Well-fought, PEXDET!

Are you serious, cute wolf? Because I actually did get full investigation results on you and it just said loyal commie. Was I just whooshed?

Anyway -- of course I was Japanese, the Kempeitai Colonel. Sigurd and YLC were my officers, and we picked up DiY as a recruit right at the end. I attacked you Night One, Beskar.

Many thanks to Pizzaguy for saving our bacon twice over, and also to GH for allowing it to happen like it did. ;)

Was a fun game, if frequently aggravating. But then they all are. As my first chance to play as part of a mafia team in eons, it was fairly rewarding. There were some nice moments.

Oh yes, our QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/44/H/w6PErEP3FPtr. Feel free to be greatly amused. :beam:

@ Everyone who thinks I'm a Jap: you lose
@ Everyone who thinks I'm townie: you DEFINITELY lose
@ Everyone who thinks GH is something other than the Hairy Man: super lose

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Originally Posted by Double A

@ Everyone who thinks GH is something other than the Hairy Man: super lose

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That's what made the revolt round rather amusing. Its quite funny reading the qt's about the "toppling of the red army" when it was being led by a serial killer who spent most of the game trying to cause havoc. :laugh4:

Renata/Eagle, post 195 of their QT

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Like I said, I so want to do ATPG. I always told him I'd recruit him if I ever got the chance, because forget suspicion, he's better at getting out of sticky situations than anyone else in the game.

I just would not be AT ALL surprised to see the other side doing the exact same thing. I suppose we should try, regardless.

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ATPG/Zeus, post 94 of our QT

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Yes do Renata. I've been wanting to give something to her for some time.

She says she doesn't like vanilla roles, so maybe a little chocolate would be more to her liking.

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Bow chicka bow wow. :eyebrows:

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Originally Posted by Yaseikhaan

That's what made the revolt round rather amusing. Its quite funny reading the qt's about the "toppling of the red army" when it was being led by a serial killer who spent most of the game trying to cause havoc. :laugh4:

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All we wanted was ACIN.

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I offered a draw to Renata and Sigurd, which if they accepted I would have made official, and had they not, we would have converted ACIN and vigilante killed Renata that very night.

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We would have accepted. We did not have a line on a further recruit (possibly there was one out there), and as you say, the town was primed against us more strongly than against you. I think I could have turned that, but would have tested out the draw first. Glad to know I was right when I guessed you were lying about having no possible recruits left. :)

Who the heck scanned me? That was such a puzzle.


I can't even describe how many frustrations we Japanese had during this game, even while things seemed to be going swimmingly for us. First there was Beskar's offer to make me an officer, which I *could not* accept -- if the risk of being found out early was not bad enough, there was also the way our team was set up. I was the only one who could kill, and it took all of us to recruit. (I also had the option of a roleblock, which I used once on Autolycus; and the officers could investigate together for weapons resistance/convertability.) Another role would hobble our whole team.

Then there were the several failed kills, and us never finding anyone we could recruit for days and days on end. Then when we finally found Joooray, the separation happened. All of us were stuck with the officers and all the power roles -- there was no way to avoid losses, nowhere to misdirect the lynch and the investigations for long (though I gave it my best shot). And we had to sacrifice Joooray to keep an exposed Sigurd -- we had no idea what ACIN was playing at. Oh, and they made me deputy, an offer which made things even more complicated, but which I could not refuse.

I got some satisfaction in killing Yaseikhaan through officer-protection and was pissed off we only learned after the "weakening" that we'd had a 50% chance of success all along. We'd hardly done worse on the regular townies! :)

And then I was caught myself, oy. Though it was fun feigning outrage. I was not truly sure about ATPG until about halfway through our "bull-spittle" conversation that day -- I'd had too many misconceptions hanging on that needed clearing. But it was rather obvious once he started talking about the KMT taking out Autolycus for my benefit, heh. And I like to think we got one last suprise in by recruiting that night rather than killing someone.

Anyway, the one odd thing was that though I had recognized the probable need for inter-mafia cooperation from very early on (I was constantly talking about it in our QT), we never had the opportunity to set it up -- YLC was inactive, and Sigurd was "vindicated" -- and then when it actually did happen it caught me off guard.

Was still fun.

And Pizzaguy, you have a dirty mind. :laugh4:

And GeneralHankerchief -- wow. I did not see that one coming. The closest we got was guessing it might be ACIN.

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Originally Posted by Renata

Many thanks to Pizzaguy for saving our bacon twice over, and also to GH for allowing it to happen like it did. ;)

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*sizzle*

:creep:

You're most welcome. It felt really good to defy the powers that be, especially when they were GH and the consequences of failure would have been disastrous.


And now for your entertainment pleasure: The funny in retrospect, and as it was happening, ATPG-Renata instant message chat where we both pretended to be disgruntled townies, agreeing with each other that GeneralHankerchief and ACIN seemed awfully suspect, when we were in fact both Colonels of both mafia.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Whenever you get a chance to talk ABZF let me know
Renata @ CFC says:
sure, now is fine
ATPG says:
You believe the officers, some of them anyway, to be either ill-informed or actively working against us
you mentioned ACIN
any others?
Renata @ CFC says:
i don't know
i thought the bad info was coming from acin. i still think he's not town. but i don't know the source of the accusation against me
ATPG says:
I am hearing from others some anti-officer sentiment
a sentiment I'm about to share if they choose incorrectly
Renata @ CFC says:
if they lynch you, you mean?
ATPG says:
Yes.
Still bs that I am on the line when the tally wasn't even close.
Renata @ CFC says:
what did happen there? i was kind of distracted
autolycus unvoted landlubber in order to vote me, but i didn't think it was even that close
ATPG says:
No one has explained it; I obviously suspect that our enemies altered the tally to get rid of me.
Renata
can you go over the order of events for me?
ATPG says:
The vote was in favor of landlubber over me, by.... 1 or 2 votes.
then GH said you were Jap
2 votes went to you
maybe a third
but the tally was more about you and lubber
I have no idea why I am tied with lubber
that happened from the host's writeup
no one has claimed responsibility
Renata @ CFC says:
i didn't see anythign to say the vote tally wasn't accurate
are yo usaying it wasn't?
ATPG says:
It wasn't.
that wasn't the accurate tally
Renata @ CFC says:
spell it out; i'm also talking to pinman about NOTW so i'll need it in small words
ATPG says:
I didn't have that many votes.
you were closer to being lynched than me
so was lubber
Renata @ CFC says:
i'm going to have to look
ATPG says:
More infuriating is that they said they were tied 2-2 over my lynch, by the officer's count
Everyone is going to die on my side! It doesn't even matter
just pick someone
then vig the rest
it is that simple
I am so irritated
If they pick lubber, that's a good move
Personally I am finding Jolt to be an issue. I don't trust him in the med officer position
or at all
I dont care what the scan says
IMO someone is investigation immune
its the only way to counter the amount of pro-commie powers
his voting pattern just screams scumbag
But I see your point about ACIN
this isn't the first time results have been "delayed" to the point where no one can defend themselves
it's so pointless
that smacks of falsehood
Renata @ CFC says:
the pinman one is the biggest problem
just go back and read it
ATPG says:
so that someone ends up dead
but can't protest and call him a big fat liar
Renata @ CFC says:
i thought the next couple of days would go more or less as follows: a few of the people who haven't been scanned (only numbers five or so, including me) get scanned; a few get lynched
at that point, either all my paranoia is for naught, game over, yay us
or it's not game over, and we're back to square zero with the godfather issue front and center along with possible treachery from ACIN
yet here's this false accusation a couple of days before then -- which suggests more panic than you'd think a godfather would have
i don't know how to add it up
ATPG says:
Either way, the position ACIN has is not something that goes away if he dies.
Renata @ CFC says:
let me go check the vote totals
ATPG says:
and there's credibility issues
Renata @ CFC says:
i know
ATPG says:
I would take him out if I were you.
Regardless if I die or not
Renata @ CFC says:
i can't do anything
ATPG says:
there's enough anti-officer sentiment, you could get a vig team together
Renata @ CFC says:
no, i mean i literally can't do anything -- autolycus will certainly block me, why would he not?
vigs take five people
ATPG says:
Autolycus won't stop you.
Renata @ CFC says:
and that's not even mentioning the protection he likely has
since when?
ATPG says:
Well here's the thing
North Bank has only so many people
he is either KMT
in which case, he's got no reason to stop you; more reason to block the other officers
or he's not KMT
in which case he's probably a dead man
Renata @ CFC says:
? obvious KMT target?
ATPG says:
yes
Renata @ CFC says:
ok
ATPG says:
the KMT are on the North bank
there were two of them, according to the writeup
Renata
that we know of
ATPG
so, either Auto is one of them
Renata
i only remember one
where are you getting two?
ATPG
or he will be blocking them
Subotan's post
Renata
right ...
ATPG
so, he's either blocking KMT or he is KMNT
if he's blocking KMT they will kill him first
Renata
i still don't follow that -- he has a "known Japanese" in the hand and he's gong to block an unknown? since when?
ATPG
why would he block a "known Japanese" when he knows that there are potentially two KMT on the North bank
more likely you get vig'ed
All I am saying is that if he is KMT then you're probably the least of his concerns, because he knows the North is about to get wiped out.
by lynch or vig
if he isn't KMT then he knows he's a likely KMT target
Renata
Jolt, Cute Wolf, Sigurd, Seamus
but Cute Wolf didn't vote for you
ATPG
Thats right
he voted for you
Renata
gotcha
ATPG
he was the first to do so in fact
Renata
yep
veddy veddy interesting
ATPG
I know someone wants me dead.
And it's likely an officer
that's why the vote was 2-2 in the officer's club
Renata
ACIN wanted you investigated, the night we investigated cute wolf
GH overruled him
ATPG
it's probably ACIN
Renata
it probably is
ATPG
he wanted to frame me
but now he's got a two-for-one
he framed you
and then put the vote on me
Renata
how?
i don't see vote-screwing as a cop power
ATPG
It would be if he were some Jap leader.
Renata
looks more like chairman or special op
ATPG
the cop power comes with the office
he might have other powers
Renata
oh, something inherent. could be
ATPG
indeed
the only Jap that died so far was YLC iirc
and he was totally inactive everywhere
he basically abandoned the org
it's likely the Japs cut him loose to make themselves look good
I suspect treachery
Renata
yes, though i had it wrong about GH just single-handedly putting the vote on him -- it was the tracker again
he was certainly expendable, if anyone is
ATPG
i had to WOG him
Renata
i know
ATPG
I'm velly dissapointed in him
Well Nictel is basically inactive.
I know, just from being who I am, that it's gotta be Nictel and Split, Split and Auto, or Auto and Nictel
Split got active recently
just in time to save his :daisy:
Renata
not landlubber?
he was the greatest direct beneficiary
both of the accusation against me and potentially also of the change dvote
ATPG
That's true...
I dont know why I couldn't see it before.
Too obvious?
Renata
lol maybe
ATPG
I always expect things to be more complicated than they appear
Renata
i always expecct people not to do things that will result in only a short-term gain
ATPG
how do you feel about some of these other ancillary people
let's go through the list
Blackadder?
Renata
yeah, that's a tricky one
but i think if you're mafia you can do the math at least as well as i can, so -- i think he's the tracker
ATPG
See, this is why I ask these questions
I hadn't a clue
I don't know what the officer positions do
Renata
oh
well if you are mafia, just shoot me
ATPG
I thought it was the special agent
Seamus' current job
Renata
i don't think so, though it could be
ATPG
I had it figured like this:
Top guy can't vote, but decides ties
top guy has other command powers
and defensive powers for himself
I expect
Medical officer is like a doctor
methinks
sounds about right
Renata
it is; it was said as much somewhere
ATPG
Special Operative thingy probably does tracking
ACIN probably does other investigations
Autolycus blocks, obviously
kind of a lot of firepower
it's insane that the Japs haven't taken more damage from that
Renata
i know
ATPG
Cute Wolf?
Renata
there's a couple of things to suggest that the special op is not the tracker; namely, that GH said something about taka way back when that suggested the roles were similar
ATPG
I joined too late to read that
Renata
power role, unkonwn. he claimed something to GH about halfway through the game when he was in trouble, and was thereafter scanned by ACIN
ATPG
I haven't really learned much about the beginning game
Renata
ok
cute wolf joined investigations with me and ACIN, but i dont' know what he was doing there -- I got one result and ACIN two, which makes three
he's been voting me for a couple of days now; i suppose it's possible he could be the source of the accusation, but he's been scanned innocent
ATPG
I am disregarding all scans at this point
the scans are bull spit
do you have an independent feeling on his villainy or innocence?
Renata
shadow fort all over again? i don't know. alarge part of me wants to believe them about everyone else still. makes things simpler, you know?
ATPG
if we had reliable scans, this game would have been over a long time ago
Renata
not really. romanic got on his case once, and he didn't reveal his role until he was under pressure; those and the votes on me are the only data points that have registered
ATPG
hmm
okay how about Death is Yonder
Renata
actually romanic got on his case twice
ATPG
I hear he was scanned innocent
But again, I want to look at this as if the scans are BS
Renata
he was last night's scan and hasn't been accused, so i'm assuming
ATPG
do you have any reason to suspect him independent of that
Renata
he was the target of an attempted recruitment by the KMT, which failed
ATPG
that means he's either Jap, or commie
Renata
there was something, but i can't remember can't have been very significant
right
ATPG
Double A?
Renata
hasn't left much of an impression on me for a while, but i had a strong impression of innocence from the early game
Gh trusts him
ATPG
He usually pays attention more when he's guilty.
Jolt?
Renata
i thought he was the hairy man. then ACIN (and I) scanned him innocent a couple of days ago. Again, I didn't actually see the alignment result
ATPG
I can tell you my feelings about him so far are entirely negative.
Renata
no surprise
ATPG
But that's because dead wrong votes plus self votes mean usually mafia
we can afford to replace him
Joooray?
Renata
lynched
ATPG
oh sweet
Renata
lol
ATPG
lets get that off my list then
Renata
hang on phone
ATPG
I'll skip lubber, since he's probably vig or lynchbait soon
Nictel, same thing, only less pressing.
Seamus?
Renata
same as diy -- someethign somewhere that pinged me, but i've forgotten it. officers except ACIN haven't really been on my radar
ATPG
he was recently promoted IIRC
he's obviously trusted
Renata
no, he was moved to special op after khaan's death, but he was doc before that
yeah
ATPG
Sigurd?
He also claims he was wrongly besmirched
Renata
second looniest ACIN reveal after Pinman. if ACIN's bad, so is he
wrongly besmirched by who? the KMT?
ATPG
Sigurd claims that the administration was after him
I read a little bit about that
we were on the North bank at the time
Renata
ok
yeah, he's been very against GH, even beyond what I think is reasonable
ATPG
It's unusual for him to flip out like that as mafia.
Renata
he was mafia in Capo, right?
ATPG
reading those posts, I see his frustration in the late reveal
Oh yes.
He was the head commissioner person
Renata
right, your "investigator" good times
ATPG
he was cool as a cucumber even when I accused him privately of being the "wolf" role
You never ruffle his feathers.
However I've seen him go from passive to aggressive before
and his point was obvious.... no direct accuser, no results
when there should have been results
It's eerily similar to your own situation
Renata
yeah, it is when you put it that way
ATPG
I'll skip Split too, simply because he's probably in the crosshairs for the North bank
Renata
i'd like to know what you think of your fellow north bank denizens
but brb ina minute, NOTW update just went up
ATPG
North Bank? Infested with KMT scum
the whole bank will be dead soon.
especially since we seem to keep killing the wrong people
I find that landlubber is most likely to be guilty among them
a second place would be Split.
third is probably Autolycus
simply because I can't believe he'd not be attacked by the KMT when there was obvious gaps in his defenses
gaps he himself put there
actually, on second thought
screw it, Autolycus is probably guilty as hell
More than Split.
Renata
who was in the protection group other than AVSM?
ATPG
it varied day by day
4 the first day
3 second
3 third
AVSM in all of them
Romanic in the early ones
total messup with landlubber in the first one
none of them functioned
and no protection groups ever functioned
AND he's a fricking roleblocker
how do you even miss?
2 protections, 1 block
Couldn't protect anyone
couldn't block one murder
yeah, and Split was inactive for a while, but the KMT kept doing things
methinks it is Auto, lubber, then possibly Split
Nictel, as you know, often lurks.
Renata
i just want to know who was in the group on the last night when WEW was killed
ATPG
the group on Auto?
sure let me check
Split, AVSM, and me
he could have assigned me to do protection on him so he knew no one else would be protected.
That was by his own orders, btw
that explains why Lubber was being spared
I will die tonight.
Auto is probably one of the officers trying to bring me down
along with ACIN
that's the 2
but then Jolt is as well
Renata
if it was 2-2 somebody change dtheir mind
ATPG
of course.
I am betting it is at least 3-1 now against me
when that happens, you will know
ACIN mentioned publicly that he wasn't out for my head.
I think he's too focused on you
he could be the third.
Methinks I detect the stench of Autolycus and Jolt.
Renata
somethings weird with the north bank. well south too, to be honest
ATPG
North Bank should have stopped the KMT.
We had the defenses, we had the roleblocker
the one leading the effort wasn't me, except I was talking the most
everything flows from Autolycus
approval for all the actions taken
all night orders
suggested lynches
Renata
it's a bit much to put all blame on autolycus in that sense -- roleblock and two protections isn't exactly proof against things getting through
did he say who he roleblocked, though?
ATPG
no
none of that has been made public
there's no transparency in this admninistration
Renata
i'm of such mixed feelings about that
ATPG
what are your thoughts
Renata
meta-gaming stuff
it's safer to keep things quiet -- unless you're infiltrated, in which case it's worse
ATPG
It's obviously infiltrated or else you're mafia.

so, which is it?
Emperor Palpatine- I wonder if your feelings on this matter are clear, Lord Vader.
you with the mixed feelings
Renata
yeah, i'm mafia
ATPG
Hahaha
That's become so commonplace that it could be either one.
Renata

ATPG
on the plus side, you've been an entertaining mafia.

Renata
i always strive for entertaining
usually at my own expense
ATPG
you mentioned after we got separated that you wished I was still on the south side, because I mentioned being separated
did you think I was guilty because of that?
As far as I know, GH and his little buddy Autolycus were behind all that
Renata
i can't remember that conversation
ATPG
I just happened to guess correctly
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2516284
Renata
oh ok
ATPG
I find it hilarious that I predicted we'd get divided
otherwise why else would there be a bridge
a rope bridge, no less
Renata
yeah, i was very suspicious at that time. there was also a recruitment right after you joined, IIRC
feels like ages ago
ATPG
Everyone assumes I always would get recruited and yet it never happens
To date I think only Diana and Kage have ever recruited me for anything
Renata
i promise i will recruit you the first time i ge the chance
ATPG
I have to figure I'm not recruitable in this game or it would have happened by now
but I'm dead anyway
Renata
probably
ATPG
I haven't seen much Jap recruitment
maybe they lost their recruiter person?
Renata
YLC didn't die until just a couple of days ago, and he was the first
doesn't explain the whole game
ATPG
indeed.
but I believe that people have died indicating they could have been recruited by the Japanese
unless I am mis-remembering
Renata
yeah, secura stands out, since she was so emphatic about being still innocent when she died
ATPG
she was Jap-recruitable?
Renata
yes, iirc
ATPG
Maybe their recruitment isn't made public.... but that seems unlikely
Renata
yeah, i doubt it
before the failure was shown with diy i might guess they'd just had a lot of failures, but not after that
ATPG
wasn't DIY attempted to be recruited by the KMT
Renata
yeah, i mean that that failure was shown, so probably japanese failures would also be shown if they had occurred
ATPG
Ah okay
I also want to point out the KMT have been recruiting like rabbits, it seems
Renata
at least twice, probably three times
though they've also lost at least three people
ATPG
wily bastards.
Renata
who, us or them?
ATPG
can't seem to kill them
slippery like a greased-up eel
Renata
except for the three who are dead?
ATPG
But they keep recruiting more.
Renata
what variety of mafia do yo think romanic was?
ATPG
the evil kind.
Renata
lol
ATPG
I have no idea
Autolycus seemed to want him gone, and I have my doubts about him
Renata
i think he was KMT, too, though being wrong about that might explain some of his response
ATPG
possibly an inter-mafia war.
Renata
always amusing when you're "right" about a scumbag for the wrong reasons
ATPG
I'm always right for reasons that make no sense to people.
I swear to jimminy cricket that I know what I am talking about

Renata
lol
ATPG
I think Romanic was a helpless member of an opposing mafia faction from Auto
that's probably why he got lynched
but he was still reading like scum
possibly Jap
I think most of the Japs were on the South side
Renata
like i said, half my accusation against romanic turned out to be based on suspicious linkages to psychonaut, so if it turns out he was actually japanese and i went after him for the wrong reasons when he ws just playing helpful townie, i will laugh and laugh
ATPG
If there is recruitment, you also have to figure that people who have been scanned before are not necessarily still innocent
Renata
yeah, i know
which is another problem: other than jolt, i don't remember it ever being specified whether someone who had been investigated was recruitable or not, which is maddening on multiple levels
why did the KMT act on the last night of separation, and not previously?
ATPG
Hold on let me ask them.
Renata
hehe i'll wait
you said something about wanting to encourage them to act, but you never really explained why
ATPG
Yes, and that confused the bejeezus out of you IIRC
Renata
yes
ATPG
If they acted, it would prove that they were there, in the smaller group
and how many there were, minimum
2 reared their ugly little heads
but, they didn't want to reveal right away, or else they'd get caught
so they waited until there was only one lynch
the main group lynch
instead of two lynches
methinks the idea was, too many targets
oh look, KMT known to be in this group
Japs known to be in this group
lots of suspects
only one lynch
same reason why the town lost Capo I and Capo II
too many known mafiosi to lynch them all
but the principle here is the same.
Renata
that does make some sense
ATPG
But revealing on day one
will increase the likelihood of being lynched before the group re-integrated
which just leaves the Japs in the south to get rid of
and ends their little adventure in the North Bank before they could even have a decent roll in the hay without General supervision.
Renata
lol
ATPG
Either that or they were inactive until recently

Renata
you imply you think GH is innocent -- do you?
ATPG
I don't know.
He could be either or.
I just know half of his officers rub me the wrong way
and the other half rub me the right way
and it is messing up my hair
Renata
lol
ATPG
personally I would consider electing someone else to the chairmanship
but I lack both the votes and the breathing for that
Renata
lol
ATPG
I know there are many who wish to see a new Chairman
but, alas, not enough votes.
if I end up dead by this very lynch, I am going to start rooting against the administration more loudly
regardless of who or what they are
I'll start rooting for the Japs
those handsome devils.
if the admin can't make the correct call between me and lubber, they don't deserve their heads
because they obviously arent using them
Renata
or they are
all the scumbags want you dead, ATPG, it's like a rule of nature or something
ATPG
Of course.
Did you see Pick your Power?
Renata
yeah
ATPG
that was harsh
Renata
it was beeyootiful
although also harsh
ATPG
Yes.
Straight up murdering me will give me too much power
the lynch means it will take 3 days to find out I am innocent
too late.
Renata
yeah
ATPG
at this point they can say whatever they want
get as many false lynches as they want
and the results will come too late
If there is a revolt, I want someone I can trust who is personally in charge of investigations.
Not ACIN
Renata
lol
ATPG
I want a second opinion
Renata
i have to go -- see you around later/tomorrow
ATPG
okely dokely
Renata
bye

Notice how I call the KMT "wily bastards" and the Japanese "handsome devils". :laugh4:

I am not very subtle, even when I am kinda-bullspitting, about my love for both mafia clans. Good thing Renata was actually guilty. :clown:

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Notice how I call the KMT "wily bastards" and the Japanese "handsome devils". :laugh4:

I am not very subtle, even when I am kinda-bullspitting, about my love for both mafia clans. Good thing Renata was actually guilty. :clown:

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As well in the future, whenever you cry victim over and over again we can lynch you on principle. :skull:

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Originally Posted by Yaseikhaan

As well in the future, whenever you cry victim over and over again we can lynch you on principle. :skull:

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Not impressed; I'm already lynched on principle anyway. Or, as JHT says, so people stay sane.

:tongue: And it loses games, too.... :wink: bonus points!

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Not impressed; I'm already lynched on principle anyway. Or, as JHT says, so people stay sane.

:tongue: And it loses games, too.... :wink: bonus points!

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True that.

But things'll be fine as long as you act like good townie pizzaguy, bringer of the pepperoni, who aggressively pursues but does not cry, as opposed to evil meanie pizzaguy, bringer of the anchovies and clinger of life. :clown:

@ renata, I was the one who Kill winshington Hughes, Jhonhughthom, and 3 others, random people mostly... oh yeah, I allready speak about my false flag ability, yes?

Three others? There were no kills unaccounted for.