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Using a non-player as a proxy was used in Capo I - one family sent a PM to pevergreen using AndresTheCunning (now known as Andres). He later entered the game as a wise guy after gaining a substantial number of votes for him to be lynched before he even began playing. In this case, as far as I know, nothing was done about it.
I might as well post my reasoning for voting GH since I have nothing better to do.
My first question
Very blunt and direct. He seems very closed off to me.
My response and his reply
Yet again a very direct and blunt answer. To me this seems like an angry response as well, but I could be mistaking anger for disinterest.
I'd expect GH to have some suspicion of at least a couple of people at this point and a few people he would consider worthy of being lynched.Quote:
Originally Posted by GH
Yet again nothing that is of really any help to me trying to read his behavior. Nothing that isn't already obvious to most other people. I know there are more people that GH suspects at this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by GH
At this point other than the guilty result people have gotten on GH it seems he's disinterested in this game. Maybe because he's garnered a lot of attention from the beginning or just doesn't want to play. I'm not really sure at this point and the only person who can really answer this question is GH. So what is it buddy?
So, after a 'criminal' result, Kommo claims townie and thus he's no longer suspicious.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
:inquisitive:
Andres did not claim a fake role, thus he is guilty.
Like I said to Drisos: please put some effort in your accusations. Or better: let your mafia buddies kill me tonight instead of trying to get me lynched with really bad reasoning.
You're off a bit with your style Andres. It's strange.
P.S. Andres... Made a decision on the lynch yet?
I'm getting annoyed about these random accusations based on nothing. It's as ridiculous as getting lynched because your name starts with an A.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ichigo
@Glenn: I asked Seamus to lynch them both.
Don't worry yourself about it. It's currently 3:30am and I don't feel like sifting through a bunch of posts to find the one I'm thinking of. Why are you angry? I didn't accuse you of being guilty I said your play was off a bit. Whether that means something or not has yet to be found out in my mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
Haven't seen anything but "Andres is weird" so I say Andres is right. :2thumbsup:
I hope I'm weird as well, only the cool guys are.
I would much rather be lynched because im wierd then stupid reason such as "Anonymus message" saying "Beefy is guilty"
Hahaha, wouldn't we all. Btw, is it still voting phase?
Nah its night phrase
Lynch write up completed. Both died by hanging.
Remember that night orders are due no later than 1400 EST today, that's about 4.5 hours hence.
when is the reveal of drisos' role
I think in Day 3 or 4.
day 3 has already passed hasnt it?
Gruesome. Were the details Andres' or Seamus' doing?
The Stranger: The autopsies for the first killings and lynchings appear after tonight.
Revelation speed, e.g.
Dead night #1 = revelation Day #4
Dead day #2 = revelation Day #5
@ Panno. My details, Andres just said "lynch both." I used the verb literally. And what is film noir without a little "dark" imagery? :devilish:
I think that, being a lot of players, everyone posts his/her black list and their reasoning. In that way, something will see the light in those black lists.
i doubt i understand you... what are black lists?
Night Three Endeth
Standeth by for Summary....eth.
bleugh...
A Black List, in this case, is a list of individuals who are considered untrustworthy. It can also be used to describe a list of persons who are banned from a specific activity. You can find a full list of meanings for the term here.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Stranger
~:)
thanx :)
is it now day or night or...?
day... results soon
I just noticed the last tally in the no lynch I did abstain but was not counted there were only 4 and there should have been 5. My director vote was counted.
Just to note I have been voting.
Ah, good, so both are lynched. :2thumbsup:
Another mention. I don't believe you, TruePraetorian.
A) You pm with a very good reason for your behaviour. since next night, I will be revealed dectective by seamus, so you can trust me. ~;)
B) I will be yelling around here that you should be lynched. :balloon2: :book: :yes:
Edit: I can imagine you not wanting to give in because now you heard people've even been banned for double accounts. Go ahead and explain all nicely to Tosa, and apologize. If you do so, it won't be problem, I think. I think no one wants you to get a temp ban, or whatever. And I can imagine these kinds of efforts in the heat of game. I've noticed myself really pretending this all is real and begin quite agressive here and there in the game. It's just because of the game, I'm more friendly normally. (I hope ~;p)
I like Caius' idea of posting your own personal "black list". I'll wait until the night is over until I make one(If I made it through the night.)
Edit: I say that we spare the axe on Glenn and Jimbob for now. I think that the WoG's will come at the end of this round so the inactive "crown" role will hopefully be WoG'd and the role redistributed to a random townie. If someone doesn't come forward claiming the "crown role" by day 4 then we'll know with 100% positivity that Glenn and Jimbob are Don and Luca.
Ha! That is if I survived Night 3... I've got a bad feeling my luck is running out! No - no speculation, just instinct.
I just have something to say to all my accusers, and I think it is the thing that can clear my name.
If the account was made 1-30, and Mafia started february something, then why would I make another account if I didn't even have my role? It's obvious that it is pure coincidence. Go ahead and call for my name to be lynched, but honestly just because we are related doesn't mean I did it..
And for all of you wanting proof I have a brother and he's not made up, I can post some pics of him, or even give you guys his myspace. His myspace name is even chewy....Matthew, nickname Mattchew, after starwars nickname became chewy..sometimes even Chewybacca.
EDIT: And also, has it occured to anyone that this might've been the plan? I mean, I did post right after my brother declaring us related...maybe the sender saw this as the "perfect skapegoat"?
I for one believe you. It wouldn't be a good idea to point out he is your brother, so I don't think you did get him to send that for you.
I wouldn't worry TP, the fact you haven't cared much for Sarathos and instead hunted for my blood is probably reason enough that you wouldn't go to such lengths to contact him.
I have to go in a moment.. hope the results come through!
Anxious!
Do remember that the WoG will be announced. Seamus says in the rules thread that it will be 3 missed lynch votes, D4 is probable. But, I know that in Capo I I didn't replace RTWGuru as detective until D6. So let's wait until the WoG is announced, shall we?Quote:
Edit: I say that we spare the axe on Glenn and Jimbob for now. I think that the WoG's will come at the end of this round so the inactive "crown" role will hopefully be WoG'd and the role redistributed to a random townie. If someone doesn't come forward claiming the "crown role" by day 4 then we'll know with 100% positivity that Glenn and Jimbob are Don and Luca.
How many people can suffer from WoG at one time? I've only seen around 30 people post so far.
As many as there are who don't post. There have been very large-scale WoGs in the past.Quote:
Originally Posted by TruePraetorian
This is main thread post #1316
“Take a good look at yourself.
Your eyes always glaring always comparing
you can't stop your starring because there's always something wrong
Pull apart my heart, Scratch out my soul
Silence my dreams, When you see fit
This blood feud of chains and ice,
This blood feud has gone on too long
Cast your judgement somewhere else
Cast your judgement on yourself
Burn my idols but what about yours”
-- Xdisciplex
Summary, Night Three
taka was just a bit paranoid this evening. But is it really paranoia if they ARE out to get you? He’d gotten himself a car with a driver/guard and bullet resistant armoring. He now carried a revolver and wore a bulletproof vest – trusting to luck twice is pushing it – and the driver varied his route home. He needn’t have bothered.
At a stoplight, a loaded gravel truck rammed taka’s stopped car from behind. Since the vehicle he’d stopped behind was also a loaded gravel truck, taka’s armored ride was crunched and mangled and completely immobilized. taka was knocked senseless.
The gravel truck drivers exited their trucks – they had been prepared for the collision – and using the 10-gallon containers they’d brought with them started dousing taka’s car with gasoline, pouring it into the car wherever a crack in the armor, chassis, or glass made this possible. The guard/driver attempted to smash the broken driver’s window and exit the vehicle but was stopped by a third man who pushed the muzzle of a shotgun through the window crack the driver had been trying to enlarge and pulped his face with two blasts of a shotgun. The gasoline was all poured when the third man tossed in a lit match. Waking up in a panic, taka tried to use his gun to get out. It didn’t work. taka died screaming.
Caius was researching at the Fatlington Public Library when the attack came. Shadowy figures blocked every exit from that section of the stacks – all of them with silenced pistols. Caius glanced around, terror spiking adrenalin through his system. The only door not occupied by an armed shadow figure was the one to the back stairwell.
<<So that’s where the attack will come from,>> thought Caius. <<The others are here to block my escape.>>
He crept over next to the door, hoping against hope that he’d be able to overpower this attack and make a break for it. The door opened slowly.
Caius slammed the encyclopedia he’d been reading into the head of the… <<Librarian,>> thought Caius? The librarian had gone down like she’d been hit by a tree; the noise bringing the other gunmen forward into the stacks. Caius made a break down the stairs and got away from the Library. He had no idea why the stairwell had been uncovered, but he was more than willing to take advantage of the attacker’s miscue.
Beefy187 pushed through the crowd in the taproom to make his exit and head home. He checked carefully as he exited, but things seemed clear. He was two blocks toward home when a bright light struck his vision. His night vision shot, he couldn’t see anything but vague shadows.
“Don’t move,” said a husky voice.
“What do you want,” asked Beefy?
“Check your pocket.”
He did. A book? Someone had slipped a book into his pocket as he left the bar. He fished it out and it opened to a marked page. It was a Bible, and a passage from Exodus had been circled: “Keep thee far from a false matter; and the innocent and righteous slay thou not: for I will not justify the wicked.”
Said the voice from the dark, “Exodus 23:7.”
“Can you turn off that light,” asked Beefy. He wasn’t sure what this mysterious figure wanted.
“Well, you’re NOT on the road to Damascus, so yes.”
An object whistled out of the dark, blocking part of the intense light and struck Beefy in the head. He went from light to dark in an instant.
It took Fermanagh’s team a while to find the body. Beefy187 had been quartered and floated off on four different weather balloons. The pieces, caught in trees or on roof antennae, took some time to collect. Each of the pieces had been stripped and painted with the number “216” painted on the chunk. The marked bible was found rubber-banded into Beefy’s left hand.
Evil_Maniac from Mars had gone home quietly, as he had the other nights. He was a fastidious fellow, for the most part, and definitely preferred his own cooking to that of the local restaraunts.
The attack came through both the front and back doors at once. The first attacker was met by a frying pan and hot oil flung his direction as he leveled his pistol. The attacker ducked, but never got off the shot. His jump carried him into the second assailant at the back door, knocking them both off their feet.
Evil dove down the cellar stairs, bolting the door behind him. He’d made it to the phone and dialed the operator by the time the men upstairs had started to break it down with a table – it was not your average interior door – but the men retreated when they’d heard the sirens.
Evil breathed a sigh of relief and shook his head. If the attackers had been only a bit better organized….
In restrospect, Zorg might have made it if he’d had less to drink with dinner. He’d stopped in the men’s room on the way out the door – checking to make sure nobody was in there. He hadn’t quite finished recycling some of his beverages when gunfire erupted through the door, showering the room with splinters, ricochets, and the last of his recycling effort – it’s hard to keep one’s aim true when attacked by surprise.
Still, he might have made it save for the small bathroom window. The window was too small to escape from but plenty large enough to admit a bundle of German-style stick grenades. He bled out before the ambulance crew arrived. The presence of a single perfect yellow rose was never explained.
Andres was exiting his favorite restaurant at about the same time – with nearly the same greeting awaiting him. He hadn’t gone two steps when someone across the small street opened up on him with a tommy gun. Andres had seen the glint of the muzzle as the weapon came up and – reacting quickly – sought cover. At that very moment a LaSalle rolled up to the curb and stopped in front of Andres, giving him the cover he needed.
The shooting went on for a little while, but Andres was well protected behind the motor block of the car. Andres looked around for a flanking attack, for a second gunman, but nobody materialized. With sirens wailing nearby, the gunman had faded into the shadows.
Only one of the cars screeched to a stop near Andres, the other one – and an ambulance – were headed to a different scene. When Andres stood to check on and thank the driver, there was nobody in the car.
Pannonian never actually knew what hit him. He’d been standing at the trolley stop – surrounded by plenty of potential witnesses and with a Fatlington police officer standing behind him. He only had a moment to register that the trolley car was coming toward the stop WAY too fast when the police officer “accidentally” bumped into him from behind. He was shoved into the path of the Trolley, which hit him doing more than 60 miles-per-hour. He landed hard and his neck snapped – there was little pain. The empty trolley never stopped until the end of the line.
The police officer made his way quickly to Pannonian’s corpse to see if he could “help.” Nobody saw him place the little pink ballet shoes in “3rd position” on Pannonian’s corpse, and nobody could identify him moments later when the real police showed up.
The Stranger was following his daily routine of taking a midnight stroll through the park – though perhaps a little more cautiously than usual -- when he felt a sharp pain stab his neck.
<<Damn mosiquitos,>> he thought. But the pain didn’t quite go away and his vision started to blur. He leaned against a bench, his balance suddenly chancy. <<Some kind of drug,>> he wondered, his mind not forming the thoughts easily.
”For you, The Stranger, death will no longer be a stranger,” said a deep voice from the shadows, chuckling at his own horrid pun.
The Stranger collapsed, never to awaken. His head was placed in a wire noose, the number “4” painted on his chest, and a crosses cut deeply into either cheek. When the weather balloon that had been attached to the noose was released his head was half severed and he shot up through the trees of the little park by the beach. Had The Stranger not been caught by the thick summer foliage of the tallest tree, it is hard to say if his body would ever have been recovered.
GeneralHankerchief was not in the mood to be trusting. His bungalow was pretty solidly built and he’d decided to have a last drink for the evening while sitting in a comfy chair – with his back to a wall and a gun sitting on the armrest.
“Always be prepared,” he said, quoting the boyscout motto while toasting himself.
But he wasn’t prepared when the wall of the bungalow itself – followed by a Packard – came crashing towards him. Stunned and pummeled by brick, glass, and beams, he couldn’t defend himself -- but against all the odds he didn't have to. Just as the attackers exited the car, the floor beneath GeneralHankerchief collapsed.
GH fell into the sandy bottom of the hole only to have a section of the bungalow roof above him cover the hole like a hatch. He wasn't much more than scratched and bruised. The police would be hours digging him out, and the attackers were long since gone, but at least he'd acquired a new -- albeit pretty banged up -- Packard as a trade in for his Bungalow.
Glenn hid nervously in his apartment, wondering his time was up. Sure he felt a little paranoid – who wouldn’t after the last couple of days he’d had. Checking his locks and perimeter once more, Glenn climbed into bed to try to get some sleep.
He was not prepared for the explosion. Dynamite, secreted into the floor beneath his bed, smashed his bedroom and bed into kindling, bringing the whole assemblage down into the bedroom of the apartment beneath his and stunning the two hooded and trench-coated people who had been waiting in that room as well as leaving Glenn half-deaf and immobile.
A cloaked figure entered the room, carefully thumping the hooded men with a statue to make sure they wouldn’t interfere.
”You deserve more pain than a quick death for your heresy,” said the figure. “But needs must…” He jabbed a syringe into the dazed Glenn, who quickly faded into unconsciousness.
“You can stop this right now,” said another man just entering the room, hat low over his face and a shotgun held tightly in gloved hands. “Your shadow is about to be ‘lit up.’”
“My path is like shining light, that grows in brilliance till perfect day,” said the figure who had stabbed Glenn as he lobbed the statue at the gunman.
The gunman fired, shattering the statue, but never got off a second shot. The syringe, flung just after the statue, had found its mark in the gunman, who dropped without a sound. The dark figure lifted Glenn over his shoulders and made off into the night.
Glenn awoke just before dawn, pulled back into consciousness by the searing pain in his stomach. He couldn’t move. Each of his limbs had been pinned to the flat tarred roof of some building, held down with what looked like horseshoes that had been hammered into the roof. The pain in his lower abdomen was a searing fire, and his left hand felt sore.
His eyes shifted. His hand held the tether of some kind of huge weather balloon, his grip rapidly weakening as he held back the massive lift – yet somehow he knew he shouldn’t let go. On the back of his left hand three lines had been written: “Jeremia, then below that 48:10, and immediately below that the numbers LQKI.” It made no sense. The burning pain grew even more intense. Glenn blinked, weakening, and let go the tether.
Released at last, the weather balloon shot skyward. It’s tether, simple rope at first, had been securely knotted to the severed end of Glenn’s large intestine. The balloon unreeled his viscera at a rapid pace disemboweling him as it raced skyward. As it hit the limit of its new “tether,” the balloon pulled free and floated far and away – away from Fatlington. The “rope” returned to the general vicinity of its dying owner.
Fermanagh’s team had hit the “dry heaves” stage by the time they were able to process the crime scene.
Morning, Day Four:
Fermanagh looked horrible, like he'd been dry-heaving his guts to get ready for his report. He went through the night's events in a numbed fashion, then paused.
"I have to reveal now that I've known Drisos' identity all along, though my team researched everything just to be sure," said Commissioner Fermanagh. "Drisos was a Fatlington detective, and a damned good one. I don't know how those mafia scum found out about him, but I hope you send every last one of them to Hell."
Fermanagh stormed out of the room, visibly shaking. Director Louis VI the Fat took over the meeting, explaining the procedures that would be used at the sunset gathering later.
OOC
Sorry this took so long, but I think you can see why. I'll take a dinner break and then start passing out results PMs.
1. Voting for the Day 4 Lynch will conclude at 2000 HRS EST, 13 Feb 08 (0100 next day GMT). Louis is director and should PM me the particulars to be used.
2. Here’s a Full list of players to date:
Still Alive: (68) ajaxfetish, Alexander the Pretty Good, Andres, Big King Sanctaphrax, Brave Sir Robin, Caeser the III, Caius, Charge, Chimpyang, CountArach, Cowhead418, Craterus, Crazed Rabbit, Draco Leman, Dutch guy, Elite Ferret, Evil_Maniac from Mars, FactionHeir, Fahad I, GeneralHankerchief, gibsonsg91921, Haudegen, Hiji, Husar, Ichigo, Ironside, JimBob, Joe Monks, johnhughthom, Jubal_Barca, Kagemusha, KamiKhaan, Killfr3nzy, Kommodus, KukriKhan, Leet Erikson, LittleGrizzly, Louis VI the Fat, Lt. Pinard, Makanyane, molonthegreat, Moros, Motep, Myrrdraal, Northnovas, norwegian nerd, Omanes Alexandrapolites, Proletariat, Roadkill, Rob_the_Celt, Rythmic, sapi, Sarathos, Sasaki Kojiro, scottishranger, shlin28, Sigurd Fafnesbane, TinCow, Tran, TruePraetorian, Twilightblade, Warluster, Warmaster Horus, woad&fangs, x-dANGEr, Xdeathfire, Xehh II, Xiahou.
Attacked: (12) Andres (N2, N3), Beefy187 (N1), Caius (N3), Evil_Maniac from Mars (N3), Glenn (N1, N2), Xdeathfire (N1), taka (N2), GeneralHankerchief (N2, N3), Cowhead418 (N2)
Murdered: (8) Drisos (N1), Lord Winter (N2), Beefy187 (N3), Glenn (N3), Pannonian (N3), taka (N3), The Stranger (N3), Zorg (N3)
Lynched: (3) pevergreen (D2), Hannibalbarca (D3), Tiberius of the Drake (D3)
Removed from Play: (0) Note: this will begin changing soon.
Get GH. Now.
Vote: GeneralH
Same reason as before
Capotally:Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
My God this was a bloody night.
What I make of the attacks:
taka: Three people, probably vig-killed. Same people as last night?
Caius: I didn't see any calling card, so it looks like a failed vig-kill.
Beefy: This one was a Mafia hit (Bible passages). Same people who tried to get him before/got Lord Winter last time?
EMFM: Blown vig-kill.
Zorg: Successful vig-kill, most likely. I couldn't see any calling card.
Andres: He was protected and a vig-kill failed, apparently. More on this later.
Pannonian: Ballet shoes? I think this one was a Mafia hit.
Stranger: Mafia hit (#4).
GH: Looks like I, along with Beefy and taka, got lucky. From what it reads, it appears to be a vig-kill. Better luck next time, suckers.
Glenn: Mafia hit. Surprising, actually. I thought that there was massive organization surrounding him?
This is just a quick reference guide. I'll post some analysis later (eating time).
Vote: Andres
He's a killer. Though GH is also a good choice. Let's go for the double.
Better to lynch late than expire early.
Lynch tally:
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
What worries me is the three weather balloon killings.
CR
I can confirm this, because I was one of them. 4 of us were assigned to protect Glenn, but I am guessing from the write-up that 2 of them either didn't get their orders in on time or intentionally gave false orders. I will refrain from naming names until I have more evidence about which of these two options it was. If it was the latter, I think we have some more necks to stretch.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
Oh god damn.
Nos missus per Deum nosque salus est suprema res pro minoris populis!
NON NOBIS, DOMINE FERMANAGIO!
taka: Killed by group of three. No calling card. Wise guy group?
Caius: Failed attack. Looks like another group of three to me, with one of them failing to appear.
Beefy: Killed by some bible quoting mafia. Edit: now I see this is also weather balloons, most worrisome.
EMFM: Don't know what to make of this exactly. Two attackers, but failed.
Zorg: Not clear who he was killed by.
Andres: only 1 Attacker, and what looks like a doctor save to me.
Pannonian: killed by ballet slippers mafia.
The Stranger: Weather balloon mafia?
GeneralHankerchief: neither attackers no reason for failure clear.
Glenn: Weather balloon mafia? Apparently they have enough members for two kills.
3 kills by one group. At least 6 members.
Glenn? What happens to the blade and axe now? will you never be any good to the town?
Just because he can't be wogged any more doesn't mean he should reveal any red parts of his role PM. Wait a few weeks, and we'll know everything in the writeups for this game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe Monks
I wasnt expecting glenn to get wogged tho. If he was, surely seamus would have done it on night 2, after glenn and jimbob managed to get glenn saved on Day 1.
How does that help anyone at all? Why not get it all out in the open?Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
Well, Andres and GH both sound like solid lynches to me, so we might as well go for the double.
Vote: GH
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
If we find the crown, we'll have something to work with. Hopefully we can get to a place where we won't need Glenn to act. Hopefully. If not, then at least we're still firmly on the town's side. We were in contact with a detective, and I'll continue to serve as a conduit for him.Quote:
Glenn? What happens to the blade and axe now? will you never be any good to the town?
Sic Semper Furibus until all the town is dead, or the mafia is gone.
I can confirm being a second. It seems orders did not get where they needed to. We shall see what comes of this.Quote:
I can confirm this, because I was one of them. 4 of us were assigned to protect Glenn, but I am guessing from the write-up that 2 of them either didn't get their orders in on time or intentionally gave false orders. I will refrain from naming names until I have more evidence about which of these two options it was. If it was the latter, I think we have some more necks to stretch.
To shed some light on the details of the kills, mostly the Biblical.
Glenn's kill quotes Jeremia, 48:10. "A curse on him who is lax in doing the LORD's work! A curse on him who keeps his sword from bloodshed!"
Someone doesn't like the fact that we haven't struck at the mafia yet.
From Beefy's death 216 is 6x6x6 and is associated with the Mark of the Beast.
I'm still looking up LQKI.
So we have someone who knows something of religion in one of the mafias.
That was a bloody night, but remember, we won Capo I with only a handful left. The mafia are still outnumbered, let's get them dead.
Okay, analysis:
First of all, it seems like the two targets that look like they had protection last night were Andres (LaSalle) and Caius (Librarian - maybe). I haven't heard anything from or about Caius, and the Librarian might not even be a protector. However, there has been lots of speculation that Andres was a Don - could his savior have been a Luca? Possibly.
If Andres is a Don, that puts minor suspicion on those who voted for him as Director on D1. They are as follows:
ajaxfetish
Andres (self-vote)
Beefy (:skull:)
Craterus
Crazed Rabbit (although I'll discount this one considering later events)
hannibalbarc (:skull: - also, considered highly suspicious)
Ichigo (something's off with your behavior)
jonhugthom (inactive)
kamikhaan
Sarathos
shlin28 (first person to do so - reasoning: "Might as well select a mod")
Tran
Zorg
Secondly, weather balloon mafia. Upon further inspection, they, as Sasaki said, killed three people last night: Beefy, Stranger, and Glenn. Finding their Don is imperative.
Thirdly, vig-kills. There seem to be a lot of unidentifiable killers. This is worrisome. Luckily, their attacks seem to be uncoordinated.
Fourthly, if a lot of these are vig-kills and three of them are done by the weather balloon mafia, that begs the question: where the heck are the other families? The "Asian" Mafia is totally gone, disappeared into the twilight after they attempted to kill me on N2. Aside from the ballet slipper mafia, that leaves two families entirely unaccounted for.
Since I believe finding the weather balloon Don to be the most important thing in the game right now, I'm going to hold off on voting until things come into a clearer picture.
Vote: Present
Edited for formatting.
The bible-balloon family are probably using their Luca as a Made, so as to get in more kills and thus promote recruited wise guys quicker. My guess would be that they're doing this because their Don is protected as a townie of some sort, possibly even the Director. This may point towards Louis, but I'm thinking Andres as well as they might have got used to the idea of him being protected (as in the night before).
GH and Andres would certainly be good choices for a double-lynch, but people should have a look at their communications with others as well. Louis' strange arguments and enthusiasm in D2 certainly has my suspicion. While he's like that in the Backroom, he was much more circumspect in Capo 1. Still, since that was a year ago, perhaps his eagerness for the next installment can account for this.
What if the balloon Mafia was actually Glenn? Protected by unknowing townies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pannonian
Joe
The balloon mafia are not Glenn, for the simple reason that it was they who killed him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe Monks
"We are sent by god and our life is a great thing for the little people!
Not us, Lord Fermanagh!"
I find it very interesting to note that Zorg and Stranger were killed last night also.
Zorg - no use hiding now, come forward, who do you know that knows me?
Zorg was a fine confident of mine and I kept him close on all matters, but seperate from all others for the sake of his safety.
Due to his nature, I did not think he would of made any enemies at all - this leads me to believe someone knew he was a good contact of mine - reason enough for him to die if he was also a detective.
Needless to say, I don't think my chainmail and chausses helped me at all last night.
Stranger was also a close contact of mine - he knew a great deal about the infallible three, yet I steered clear of him admittedly when I saw how often he talked to Andres.
I want to say this, because I find it odd two of my closest contacts were murdered on the same night - with neither attracting as much attention to themselves as Jimbob or Sasaki.
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Before I spam any further, may I ask how acceptable my speculation is after my death? Can I still PM?
I have read the rules on the dead- but it is simply another rule of thumb and you are expected to be honourable, I want to know how to be honourable.
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I don't like Joe Monks logic.
Or how Mr. Monks first spends almost every post trying to have me lynched, and then suddenly repents subtly in his post and asks me almost tauntingly how I am going to help the town now.
Well Joe Monks, you haven't come to brag about killing me have you?
Don't let anything slip now.
Then obviously the Balloon Mafia have killed their own Don then.
Edit: I wasn't trying to taunt you Glenn. I was genuinely curious about what you could have done if you had found the third member. I am actually laughing at myself because Panns reply makes me look like a *******.
Anyone know what this means?Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
GH is being helpful so for now I think he deserves the benefit of the doubt.
At this point I'm not sure who to vote for.
Glenn, when you're dead, confine yourself to commenting on already public information. If you have private information that leads you to suspect certain people, only comment on those people if there is public information to lead that suspicion. It has been standard practice for some time now for no reveals after death, and no disclosure of private communications either (Kung Fu Mafia was the first to make this last part explicit IIRC). That's why I said it's a good idea to share your information in case you die. If you die without sharing that info, it dies with you.
I thought you were capable of detective work or somesuch - how could you do this if you were protecting Glenn?Quote:
Originally Posted by JimBob
He did not investigate anyone last night - he volunteered to help me - unfortunately we either had a traitor or a layabout amidst us.
Thank you Pannonian, I will continue to contribute what I can if it is listened to. And I can assure you that if anything I gave away too much information.
Ichigo - I translated what I said - it was just roleplaying, no codes involved.
Wow, things are certainley picking up around here with so many attacked already.
Don't have any insights to offer mainly because I skimmed most of the stuff and is still about 10 pages behind in careful reading.
Vote:W&Fs
I just got some info that someone got a criminal investigation on him.
I've already admitted to being a wiseguy. Pann will back me up on that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ichigo
Then your source must have been wasting his time, as w&f claimed wise guy 400 posts ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ichigo
I have no idea, Vote: Abstain for now.
Now wait a second!
We have several other criminal results, and Pannonian, who is dead might I add - has at least moderately close ties to W&F through PMs.
Pannonian, what is your comment?
Wow, that was quick...
Same, Vote:AbstainQuote:
Originally Posted by Xehh II
I don't want to get anyone in trouble if it was a simple error. There were some complications that resulted in two changes of orders within 90 minutes of the deadline. It is very possible that someone didn't get their orders in on time because of this confusion. Given how paranoid this group is, I don't want to point fingers at people for unintentional acts. Once I find out one way or another, I will let you know.Quote:
Originally Posted by CountArach
I think we need to lynch either Andres or GH today.
Unvote:W&Fs,Vote:AbstainQuote:
Originally Posted by Pannonian
I was under the impression that WGs would appears as innocent if investigated.
I thought we already knew w&f was a wiseguy? And I think they appear criminal in investigation.
"Asian" mafia = ballet slipper mafiaQuote:
The "Asian" Mafia is totally gone, disappeared into the twilight after they attempted to kill me on N2. Aside from the ballet slipper mafia, that leaves two families entirely unaccounted for.
More thoughts on the events of the night -
Was it a mafia group that killed Taka? There was no sign or symbol left. So vigilante group? Why would they want taka dead so bad?
Caius got attacked by a vigilante group short a member or two it seems.
Beefy got killed by the weather balloon mafia.
EMFM got attacked by a vigilante group short members, or maybe a wiseguy group who didn't get Don support.
Zorg got killed by the yellow rose mafia.
Andres was protected by someone after being attacked by one gunman.
Pannonian got offed by the ballet mafia.
The Stranger was killed by the weather balloon mafia.
GH survived by luck like Beefy, it seems, from a vigilante group.
Glenn was attacked again by the statue/weather balloon killer, who this time succeeded though Glenn's protection was greater.
CR
Could the following players please state what they did last night?
GeneralHankerchief- the apparent lynchee
Andres- apparent lynchee #2
CountArach- Is a wiseguy and with the large number of bible/balloon mafia members it would be wise to also root out the wiseguys in case they're trying to join.
Norwegian Nerd- I think that he's a wiseguy based off of what he has said so far. See above
Surely you'd already know? :inquisitive:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ichigo
EDIT: nvmind, need sleep
Why not both, Andres is both suspicious and considered criminal due to an investigation, and GH is very suspicious, if I could vote I would vote for Andres.Quote:
I think we need to lynch either Andres or GH today.
Thoughts:
Mafia Groups:
Asians/Ballet slippers
--Drisos was killed on night 1 by two individuals, one with a bad Asian accent, and had ballet slippers left on his face.
--GH was attacked night 2 by one individual with a bad Asian accent (apparently the partner failed to show, possibly missed pm deadline). No slippers since it was an unsuccessful hit.
--Pannonian was killed on night 3 after an individual dressed as a policeman pushed him in front of a trolley. The 'policeman' then placed a pair of ballet slippers on his face and vanished. No mention of Asian accents as there is no dialogue.
We have a consistent calling card in the ballet slippers, and the Asian accent to link GH's failed attack to the others. I'm thinking this is our first mafia family. Interesting that GH fails to tie the two together, noting that the Asian mafia seems to have disappeared (post 1329).
Religious Wackos/Weathermen
--Glenn was attacked night 2 by a lone assailant wielding a statue of St. Michael. Outside was a van filled with weather balloons, a fillet knife, and Deuteronomy 32:35 printed on the balloons. He was killed on night 3 by someone wielding a statue (again), accusing him of heresy, and leaving Jeremiah 48:10 and LQKI as calling cards. He was killed/disposed of by means of a weather balloon.
--Beefy was killed on night 3 after being knocked out by a flying object (religious statue, perchance?). A bible with Exodus 23:7 marked had been planted in his pocket, and his assailant made reference to the New Testament story of Saul. His body was dismembered and sent aloft with weather balloons. The number 216 was painted on one of his quarters, which JimBob noted as the product of 6 * 6 * 6, the mark of the beast noted in Revelation.
--The Stranger was killed on night 3 by assailants who painted the number 4 on his chest, cut crosses in his cheeks, and sent him aloft with a weather balloon. Both his and Glenn's attacks also seemed to involve projectile syringes with tranquilizers. If Beefy's object was not a statue, his may have as well.
These guys like religious symbolism, tranquilizers, and weather balloons. They're also the most worrisome because they managed three hits in one night, though they were already operative by night 2 (of course one failed attempt is unimpressive compared to three successful ones). I don't get the LQKI or the number 4 yet. Someone else may be able to shed light on it. Glenn has hinted at a religiously-themed role for himself and was accused of heresy. He was also the first target (night 2) for this gang. Are the religious affiliations in some way connected, or is it coincidence? GH in his first analysis links Beefy's killing to his first attack or Lord Winter's hit, though neither involved religion or weather balloons, and a lethal dose of heroin seems only distantly related to the use of tranquilizers.
Yellow Rose Group
--Zorg was killed on night 3 in a public bathroom. Amid the chaos of machine-gun fire and grenades, police found an inexplicable yellow rose.
Zorg seems to be introducing a new mafia family to us, as the unexplained presence of a 'single perfect yellow rose,' is about as clear a calling card as I can imagine, but it hadn't shown up previously that I noticed. Interestingly, GH's analysis was Vig Kill because he 'couldn't see a calling card' (post 1319).
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GH is either out of touch or dissembling. He made several errors in analyzing this night's events, and I would have expected more from as experienced a player as he is. He may just be having a rough day, but I'm still suspicious.
Andres is attacked unsuccessfully for the second night in a row, and in eerily similar circumstances. My gut instinct is don protected on night 3 by a luca. On night 2 he was saved by his directorial guard, but as Seamus originally overlooked his protection, he let slip that the hit would have been successful. A luca wouldn't have bothered protecting on night 2 since his services were unneeded, so it's consistent. However, didn't someone reveal an investigation on Andres that came out 'criminal'? I can't remember. That would make the situation muddier.
That's all I've got for now.
Ajax
edit: forgot about the 216 thing on Beefy. Added it.
edit 2: CR beat me to some of the mafia group connections. I guess that's what I get for trying to make a long post in such an active thread.
As of now, my vote will go to either GH or Andres, unless they can offer a convincing defense. I'd vote for whoever is currently behind, but the tally hasn't been updated and I'm too tired to hunt it down atm.
And for now, select: Woad & Fangs. After Pannonian revealed Tiberius, and Tiberius owned up to it, Pann was one of the few players I was starting to trust. He's dead now. Woad & Fangs I believe was the source of the reveal, was identified by Pann as working with him in a protection group night 2, and has already claimed to be a wise guy. While he could be recruited by mafia due to his neutral role, he seems to be working on the side of the town so far.
Ajax
I hardly ever pay attentionQuote:
Originally Posted by Craterus
It isnt selection time now.
When I read the bible quotes I thought of Pulp Fiction. If anyone is a movie buff to tie in any of the clues.
As for quotes they are Old Testament and a simple English version provided.
Jeremiah 48:10
Sloppy work in God's name is cursed,
and cursed all halfhearted use of the sword.
Deuteronomy 32:35
Don't you realize that I have my shelves
well stocked, locked behind iron doors?
I'm in charge of vengeance and payback,
just waiting for them to slip up;
And the day of their doom is just around the corner,
sudden and swift and sure.
Exodus 23:7
Stay clear of false accusations. Don't contribute to the death of innocent and good people. I don't let the wicked off the hook.
By ajaxfetish summary there would be three active families at the moment? If there is no "calling card" then it is not a mafia hit?
Vote:Andres
How does he keep living? Who's killing him?
Ah. Sorry, still getting the hang of the rules. Forgot about the day off selecting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Caius
And as for the other two families, I don't know if they're active or not. Perhaps it's not necessary to have a calling card, but without one being used I can't group attacks together. Perhaps they have inactive members and haven't got off the ground. Perhaps they've been busy investigating and haven't bothered with attacks. Perhaps they've attacked and Seamus hasn't included a signature modus operandi. Perhaps he has given them a calling card and I haven't identified it.
Ajax