Mafia Mongolica [Concluded]

Alright. Long post there, ATPG.

From the perspective you've given, it all seemingly makes sense. And make no mistake: I don't think you are mafia, at least. However, I do think that you're doing a very good job at getting votes on you for absolutely no reason, therefore diverting attention from other potential suspects. And it's not just you, either- Beskar and Reenk are very good at this, too.

Here's my case in point: You made a joke about being the mafia earlier this round. Jolt and White_eyes now believe you are mafia and have to be lynched. And they're actually serious about it.


I think, in order to absolutely clear you in my mind (and keep the masses from lynching you), you need to tell us why you and Beskar are working together. Is it just in your role pms? Do you have some sort of ability? If you don't know each other to be innocent, why do believe it is so?

Answering these sorts of questions will provide an alternative story than "we are blatant scum-buddies, lynch us" to those who still believe you are guilty, and it will likely make you a non-entity in lynches again, instead turning you into two more players that the mafia has to kill.

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Alright. Long post there, ATPG.

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I've been trying not to. I know it grates on people's nerves. :shame:

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From the perspective you've given, it all seemingly makes sense. And make no mistake: I don't think you are mafia, at least. However, I do think that you're doing a very good job at getting votes on you for absolutely no reason, therefore diverting attention from other potential suspects. And it's not just you, either- Beskar and Reenk are very good at this, too.

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To be fair, I can't really force people to vote for me. And, I believe my behavior has made it obvious that I won't be surviving the game. If the mafia doesn't kill me, you're going to get an itchy trigger finger and lynch me yourself. And I've pointed to Beskar as my partner, who also freely admits it. If, after I have done this, people want to lynch me, you can't really blame the victim. Most of you are familiar with my joke-laden playstyle by now, and I'm not acting much different from usual. So I don't consider the point that we are attracting votes to be valid, because I'm not acting scummy by any rational definition I can come up with.

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Here's my case in point: You made a joke about being the mafia earlier this round. Jolt and White_eyes now believe you are mafia and have to be lynched. And they're actually serious about it.

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I make that same joke almost every game, even games where I am mafia. Again, not news. And I know Jolt and White_Eyes are serious about lynching me; it is my hope that they either change their mind or at least begin to think of other suspects while voting for me, at the same time. But I hold out few hopes.

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I think, in order to absolutely clear you in my mind (and keep the masses from lynching you), you need to tell us why you and Beskar are working together. Is it just in your role pms? Do you have some sort of ability? If you don't know each other to be innocent, why do believe it is so?

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I won't reveal the whole truth of what's going on publicly, because it's bad enough as is.

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Answering these sorts of questions will provide an alternative story than "we are blatant scum-buddies, lynch us" to those who still believe you are guilty, and it will likely make you a non-entity in lynches again, instead turning you into two more players that the mafia has to kill.

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It is my hope that ambiguity will actually help create a WIFOM circle in the mafia's collective heads. I'd prefer not to clarify, thank you. Certain players have been informed as to what is really going on, and that is enough for now.

I enjoy and lament the town's bickering, while you completely ignore lurkers.

Alright, sounds good enough to me. If other players know exactly who you are, and are not trying to lynch you for it, then that's a giveaway that you've given them a plausible enough explanation. I'd estimate the person you notified to be Reenk, based on my own ability to put 2 and 2 together.

Hopefully, others will stop voting for you and we can actually get some real work done here (something both you and I agree on).

Just promise that you won't try to get yourself lynched. :clown:

Well, I'll try not to, but maybe this is all giant WIFOM and I really am mafia trying to be lynched! :laugh4: (sorry, couldn't resist) The sad part is, with me, you don't know if that is actually a bluff I would do or not. :2thumbsup: Anyways, all this suspicion is keeping me alive at night. ...Or is it? :inquisitive:



EDIT: What AVSM said. Lurkers. :whip:

I said why I don't' trust you earlier ATPG:inquisitive:....you even agreed and thanked me for it:laugh4:

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Originally Posted by White_eyes:D

I think your a guy who would Lie,Cheat and Betray to save his scum buddies

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Originally Posted by ATPG

Thank you. :bow:

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Then you try to have me lynched..:brood: I think it is pretty clear why I would want you lynched:smash:

I know how desperate you are, when Mafia...didn't think I forgot that at one time you showed me what a mafia must do for his scum buddies:beam:

Which instance are you referring to?

BTW- Oblivious? :laugh4:

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Originally Posted by ATPG

and Jolt takes me seriously. *facepalm*

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I was joking. *facepalm*

"The Prometheus" comes to mind:wink: You even did the PM thing that most consider scummy:laugh4:

Convinced me to change my vote at the last minute, and almost saved your sorry behind:whip:

If it hadn't been for Reenk and Khaan's bold plan....you would have lost...:wall:

"Throwing your Mafia buddy under the bus" you were ALWAYS bad at it...:2thumbsup:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

If I was always bad at it, why have I lost only one game as a mafioso?

@ Jolt- Sorry, couldn't tell.

Your teammates were really good:tongue:

And I am getting a vibe off of you, similar to back then....which might not surprise you but if I am right....I called it:beam:

Edit: Ok, I guess I should put more thought into the "Vibe" I am getting off you...

When you are townie...you tend to ignore people's pleas for innocence look at (Family guy mafia or Chaotix's Game) While effective, you also tend to lynch the guy who you think is innocent because you double guess yourself...like this..."Maybe he is Mafia? and he has been pulling the wool over my eyes??"

When you are Mafia you tend to take the fall for your scum buddies, because you feel that you can help them the best this way. The REASON for this is because you KNOW that they are on your side:bow:

1. Your defending Beskar because he is your scum Buddie...
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2. Your both Pro-town and are really shouting it out to the Mafia saying "Kill us please" which is not a very ATPG Pro-town move :tongue:

If I were mafia, we wouldn't be having this conversation because I would have killed you already. :2thumbsup:

*AHEM* I... would... have.... killed.... White.... Eyes... by.... now.

*waits for the morning filled with hope*

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

If I were mafia, we wouldn't be having this conversation because I would have killed you already. :2thumbsup:

*AHEM* I... would... have.... killed.... White.... Eyes... by.... now.

*waits for the morning filled with hope*

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You know, white_eyes is going to die now. I can practically sense a last-minute order change.

*Mafia changes the kill target*
AskthePizzaGuy: I got framed!
Town: ZOMG KILL HIM!
*AskthePizzaGuy gets killed.. he was Shinseikhaan! The Mafia win*
Town: It is your fault Pizza!
AskthePizzaGuy: :cry:

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Originally Posted by Chaotix

You know, white_eyes is going to die now. I can practically sense a last-minute order change.

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But then who be lynch-bait?:juggle2: Can I dream it would be ATPG or Beskar?

If you're out there, mafia, please frame me.

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Originally Posted by TinCow

Do not let Reenk dictate the direction of the discussion. He still needs to explain this:



Reenk has admitted to received information from someone else which included some kind of evidence that I am guilty. Since I know that to be blatantly false, either Reenk is lying or his contact is lying. Pressure Reenk until this issue is clarified.

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1. I don't need to explain that at all.

2. You once again may be falling into the trap of either misinterpreting what I meant or intentionally distorting it (your darn English lesson makes me type five more words to say what I to say... ::thumbsdown:) and thus jumping to a false conclusion.

3. It seems your attempts to draw attention to this are falling on deaf ears yet again, so I've decided to help you out yet again. :smash:

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Originally Posted by Reenk Roink

2. You once again may be falling into the trap of either misinterpreting what I meant or intentionally distorting it (your darn English lesson makes me type five more words to say what I to say... ::thumbsdown:) and thus jumping to a false conclusion.

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Then enlighten me. Someone told you something outside of this thread that made you think it was a good idea to vote for me. I am very suspicious of this for obvious reasons, since I have engaged in no game activity outside of this thread and was a simple townie who didn't even have a role PM. Your use of the word "knowledge" has a very definite meaning which conveys the possession of information. Since it is impossible for there to be any real information on me that would make me look guilty, this means that whatever you "knowledge" you were given was false, or you just made it up yourself.

Let's not dodge the issue any further. What you are essentially doing is claiming that there is a detective out there who is sharing results with people and you have been given private information about the existence of this detective and/or their results. If this detective fingered me, then that person is not a detective and they are instead a mafioso. If this detective did not finger me, then why did the information make you vote for me?

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Originally Posted by TinCow

Then enlighten me.

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Again? :clown:

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Someone told you something outside of this thread that made you think it was a good idea to vote for me.

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Your most sober and most likely to be correct appraisal of the situation. Had you not gone farther than this you would be trotting on well assured ground.

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Let's not dodge the issue any further. What you are essentially doing is claiming that there is a detective out there who is sharing results with people and you have been given private information about the existence of this detective and/or their results. If this detective fingered me, then that person is not a detective and they are instead a mafioso. If this detective did not finger me, then why did the information make you vote for me?

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Nope.

Go back to this line: "someone told you something outside of this thread that made you think it was a good idea to vote for me" and I'll now tell you that's really all there is to it.

The person who told me to vote for did not even give any intimation of being a detective. In fact, I did not even consider his request (given sometime in the second round) until the last round. My reasons to vote for you were not even as much as a result of his words, rather they were more a result of my own independent reasoning and speculation based on what Sigurd, DJGingivtis, and the person (who could also be Sigurd or DJGingivtis) had said. That's it.

You have to ask yourself, why did I after voting you, unvote you and ask YLC to unvote you (and once again, I'm very sorry to YLC for the vote/unvote thing - should I once again be able to purchase your vote, I will make sure to hold off until the end with a final determination :bow:).

GH, you havent seen Red vs Blue?

[Seen it now, video removed. If you're really curious, use your Google-fu - GH]

Some bad words. Only one or two.

No, I haven't. That explains a lot. Not everything, but it's a start. :laugh4:

I saw your edit, but all you did was add your comment? :laugh4:

I love RvB.

Episode 1 is a huge laugh.
"Gentlemen, may I present to you the M12 LRV. I like to call it the Warthog."
"Why warthog sir?"
"See those two tusks? That makes it look like a warthog. Plus M12 LRV is too hard to say in normal conversation."
"Looks more like a puma."
"What in gods green earth is a puma?"
"Like..a lion. A big cat"
"Look, I'm gunna call it the warthog, so unless you're done making up mythical names, lets stick to the warthog."
"I'm done."
"You sure? What about unicorn? Or dugong?"


"What can you see?"
"They've got a car."
"Aww man, they could totally pick up chicks in a car."
"We're getting a tank."
"What does the car look like"
"I dunno...a big cat..."
"Ohh, a puma"



"GET DOWN HERE LADIES, THIS 'AINT NO ICE CREAM SOCIAL!"
"Ice cream social sir?"
"Can anyone guess, why I have gathered you here, today."
"Is it because the war is over?"
"Yes private, the war is over, and you'se a biiiiiig hero. We gunna hold a parade in your honour. I get to drive the float, and SIMMONS IS IN CHARGE OF CONFETTI!"
"I'm no stranger to sarcasm sir..."


Anyway, back to the game.

I'm not convinced it isn't Chaotix. He lurks and then votes YLC deep into the game after YLC has been in character the whole time. Not that I expect I am going to sway people away from Beskar and ATPG, just my two cents.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

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Originally Posted by White_eyes:D

Your teammates were really good:tongue:

And I am getting a vibe off of you, similar to back then....which might not surprise you but if I am right....I called it:beam:

Edit: Ok, I guess I should put more thought into the "Vibe" I am getting off you...

When you are townie...you tend to ignore people's pleas for innocence look at (Family guy mafia or Chaotix's Game) While effective, you also tend to lynch the guy who you think is innocent because you double guess yourself...like this..."Maybe he is Mafia? and he has been pulling the wool over my eyes??"

When you are Mafia you tend to take the fall for your scum buddies, because you feel that you can help them the best this way. The REASON for this is because you KNOW that they are on your side:bow:

1. Your defending Beskar because he is your scum Buddie...
or
2. Your both Pro-town and are really shouting it out to the Mafia saying "Kill us please" which is not a very ATPG Pro-town move :tongue:

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@White_Eyes- I didn't see your edit until just now.

That is perhaps the first post you've made all game where I could follow your reasoning. I see what you're saying, and from your perspective it makes sense. However, that doesn't make it any less incorrect. I can't prove it, and so therefore you will just have to vote me down. At least, now that I understand where you're coming from, I'll try not to take it personally.

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Originally Posted by gibsonsg91921

Not that I expect I am going to sway people away from Beskar and ATPG, just my two cents.

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Edit: Just 3 posts of yours ago, you were sure we were both top suspects. Not that I'm complaining, but when did you change your mind? You're wording it as if you're backing off your previous position without acknowledging it.

Like everyone, it seemed to me that you guys were the obvious suspects. Then I noticed that Chaotix had voted for YLC, which seemed scummy.

(I acknowledge that I had voted for YLC too for the same reason Chaotix did, but that was earlier in the game before any real arguments against anyone else were made)

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Originally Posted by gibsonsg91921

I'm not convinced it isn't Chaotix. He lurks and then votes YLC deep into the game after YLC has been in character the whole time. Not that I expect I am going to sway people away from Beskar and ATPG, just my two cents.

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Erm... actually, the vote on YLC was pressure. I didn't really think he was mafia, but I wanted to see if he had some other kind of power role, which his role-playing seems to suggest.

EDIT: and this was made clear in the post with the vote in it, if you go back and read it.

However, the whole point is moot because I quickly changed my vote to you after your scum-vote.

When does the round end? Sorry Shiseikhaan, I am just confused to when the rounds are supposed to end.

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Originally Posted by Beskar

When does the round end? Sorry Shiseikhaan, I am just confused to when the rounds are supposed to end.

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They're 36 hours. However, I need to get to sleep tonight before midnight, so I am going to be posting writeup soon.

Dark clouds hung over the endless steppes this night. The moon's ghastly glow could not permeate their presence, leaving the only light that which was artificially created. Reenk Roink sat in his tent, stooped next to the fire. He gently rolled his knife over in his hands. He occasionally shot terse glances towards the tent opening. The killings, the heavenly omen... this was no time to be napping.

*flit*

Reenk's neck snapped erect. Something.... someone.... by the tent opening. He lifted himself into a crouch, and stalked towards the opening. He lifted one side opening, and peered outside. The darkness was oppressive. Only the slight glow from his own fire offered aid. He swiveled his head left, then right. He took another step out. He heard a rustling to his right, which quickly became distinguishable as hasty footsteps. Reenk readied his knife, putting himself into a defensive stance at the tent opening. The steps altered, and he could hear them now in front of him somewhere. Then, another sound! A scuffling to his left! Reenk shifted to face his left. He pulled his right elbow back to prepare a jab with his knife, when a man slammed into him from what was now his right. The force shocked Reenk enough that knife in his hand was jarred loose and was sent flying. Now that his attacker was cast in the faint glow radiating from his fire, Reenk had just enough time to see the knife in the man's hand come plunging down into his rib cage. The man rammed the knife into Reenk's torso over and over again, his mass preventing Reenk from escaping from under him. The man skulked of into the darkness, leaving the bleeding mass behind....



YLC, unlike some others in the camp, was making sure to get his rest come night. He laid down for the night, anticipating well sleep, so long as the heavens did not bring more misfortune upon them. He lay asleep for the night. A light snore was emitted from his throat. Meanwhile, a man entered the tent unnoticed at the other end of the tent. The man peered around the tent for a few seconds, as though perhaps entertaining the thought that a trap had been laid. Still, the only sound to be heard was YLC's faint snore. The man stepped as quietly up to his sleeping target, still a sense of caution to his steps. When he arrived at the snoozing body, he looked around the tent once more, his appearance becoming one of increasing paranoia. Quickly, he unsheathed a sword, and directed its blade directly into the throat of YLC. Blood poured out, and YLC thrashed for a second before laying limp. The man practically sprinted out of the tent, and out into the darkness....



Perhaps it was my previous nights of poor sleep, or perhaps it was the splendidly dark, overcast weather for the night. Either way, I had a marvelous night of sleep. I awoke almost in tune with the sun itself, feeling fresh, though still a bit anxious, I admit. When I arrived at the council, only a handful of tribesmen, as well as Shinzei, were there. I took my place next to Shinzei, and asked him what of last night's events. He informed me that there were two more brutal deaths last night. My meager hopes began to sink again. It seemed the heavens had indeed foretold calamitous events for us. I was not looking forward to this council....

-- The Record of Zhang Qian




Alive: 16

Askthepizzaguy
A Very Super Market
Beskar
Caius
Chaotix
Death is Yonder
DJGingivtis
Gibsonsg91921
Ichigo
Jolt
Khazaar
Lord Winter
pevergreen
Sigurd
Tratorix
White_eyes:D

Dead: 5

Yaropolk (N1)
Atheotes (N2)
GeneralHankerchief (N3)
Reenk Roink (N5)
YLC (N5)

Lynched: 4

FactionHeir (D1)
Beefy (D2)
Splitpersonality (D3)
TinCow (D4)

WoK'd: 0



DAY PHASE BEGINS! IT WILL LAST 36 HOURS!

Boom two deaths. Interesting. Sorry TC. I suspect several people. After I find out how everyone else feels I shall share my thoughts and see if that helps anyone.