Out of character thread XIV

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10-19-2007, 00:01
RoadKill

Re: Out of character thread XIV

TC, just like to inform you, that when you send a pm to me, you have to send it to Econ too, thanks.
10-19-2007, 00:28
econ21

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Roadkill: I misunderstood - you won't be getting a PM from TinCow. People's options are public, although you can also suggest others privately. You can see Lorenz's options in the Cataclysm Thread. I would recommend joining Karl Zirn if he is going to lead the night attack - otherwise, travel to Vienna to pick up another cannon (it should cost you 5 points, but you've only got 4 so I'll give you a discount). They are very useful for sallies. Duke Arnold may want to coordinate with you all though.

For anyone interested, this is the latest save after the Outremer battles:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1322-3.zip

GH: apparently TinCow has been more flexible about some recruitments, so PM me and him if you have a specific request. But I'm not that keen on bending the laws of space and time - unless it is to aid the poor AI.

Bob: the sergeant spearmen are basically the same as the armoured spearmen except for the armour and a marked step up from the militia (+2 attack, defence skill and morale). People don't know exactly, but the evidence seems to be that if you have a leather tanner, the benefit to your armour is more than just a +1. So your spear sergeants would be only two points worse than the armoured ones if recruited in any self-respecting castle. I think it is more sensible to group the sergeants with the armoured ones than with the militia - yes, it makes them obsolete, but it is 1342 and we are a great Empire, so putting armour on our warriors is to be expected. If you want cheap expendables, I am sure a player with a city would let you hire a couple of militia.
10-19-2007, 00:28
TinCow

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Sorry about my temporary absence. An old friend of mine from high school died last night in a car accident. I only found out about it this morning and it threw me off for a bit. I'm back up to speed now, though I also have a wedding to go to out of town this weekend. I will be taking my laptop with me, so I should be able to keep this going, but the pace may be a bit slower. Apologies.

Quote:

Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

Are units we recruit (not hire) available the same turn we recruit them?

I spawned them the same turn for turn 1, but it's really a question of balance more than any hard rule. We'll do whatever seems fair at the time.

Quote:

Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

One more quick question: Say I decided to recruit a unit and then went on the march someplace else. Due to the TW concept of rally points, which is little-used, is there any possibility that the unit would appear on the march with me next turn, assuming I only went a short distance?

I have been almost totally ignoring the MP restrictions. I just let people move as much as I feel natural. Given that I'm trying to pack a lot of action into 10 turns, I have been very generous with granting extra movement. I'm not going to make the start of a siege wait for an extra turn just because you run out of points 10 centimeters away from the city.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob_the_great

Does anyone else think that it is a little silly having armoured sergeants and normal sergeants at the same price, I don't know why anone would get the normal ones now?

Yes, it's very silly. However, I'm trying to keep the economics simple and creating a detailed and balanced price list for everything would require way, way more work than 10 turns of gameplay is worth. There are plenty of other units (especially mounted knights and artillery) that have similarly ridiculous pricing. It's the price of simplicity (if the cataclysm 'rules' can even be called that).
10-19-2007, 00:29
GeneralHankerchief

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Ouch. My condolences.
10-19-2007, 09:05
FactionHeir

Re: Out of character thread XIV

My condolences TC.
10-19-2007, 09:05
Ferret

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Quote:

Originally Posted by TinCow

Sorry about my temporary absence. An old friend of mine from high school died last night in a car accident. I only found out about it this morning and it threw me off for a bit. I'm back up to speed now, though I also have a wedding to go to out of town this weekend. I will be taking my laptop with me, so I should be able to keep this going, but the pace may be a bit slower. Apologies.

no need to apolgize about that, it is much more important than this.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TinCow

Yes, it's very silly. However, I'm trying to keep the economics simple and creating a detailed and balanced price list for everything would require way, way more work than 10 turns of gameplay is worth. There are plenty of other units (especially mounted knights and artillery) that have similarly ridiculous pricing. It's the price of simplicity (if the cataclysm 'rules' can even be called that).

okay I suppose this makes sense, as econ said, I'll just have to find a friendly city to recruit from, :whip: .
10-19-2007, 09:35
econ21

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Stig: if you want to sally, you can do so at any time. Just call the save as usual.

Current status of orders:

Given the delay in posting options, I will extend the deadline for orders until 19.00 UK time today (ie 24 hours after they were posted). If I don't receive orders, I will execute the safe * choice, which is generally not the best one.
10-19-2007, 10:32
Warmaster Horus

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Quote:

Originally Posted by TC

Sorry about my temporary absence. An old friend of mine from high school died last night in a car accident. I only found out about it this morning and it threw me off for a bit. I'm back up to speed now, though I also have a wedding to go to out of town this weekend. I will be taking my laptop with me, so I should be able to keep this going, but the pace may be a bit slower. Apologies.

No need to apologize at all. Your friends are more important than a game. My condolences.
10-19-2007, 12:20
FactionHeir

Re: Out of character thread XIV

econ: I sent both you and TC the orders yuesterday. Why am I listed as "no orders received"?
10-19-2007, 12:35
econ21

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Quote:

Originally Posted by FactionHeir

econ: I sent both you and TC the orders yuesterday. Why am I listed as "no orders received"?

Um - sorry: I did put you down as "received" then I went back to your PM entitled "FW: Wealth" and got a little confused as to what exactly you were wanting to do and so was not sure they were your actual orders. I guess I am suffering from coming in mid-way into a dialogue with TC. Re-reading it now, I think I understand your orders so I'll change your entry to "received".
10-19-2007, 13:42
TinCow

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Roadkill, Stig, gibsonsg91921, and Northnovas sent me orders. Forwarded to you.
10-19-2007, 15:19
Stuperman

Re: Out of character thread XIV

I just pm'd my orders to econ and TC.
10-19-2007, 16:18
FactionHeir

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Quote:

Originally Posted by econ21

Um - sorry: I did put you down as "received" then I went back to your PM entitled "FW: Wealth" and got a little confused as to what exactly you were wanting to do and so was not sure they were your actual orders. I guess I am suffering from coming in mid-way into a dialogue with TC. Re-reading it now, I think I understand your orders so I'll change your entry to "received".

If you found something ambiguous, impossible or unclear, drop me a line. Even if you think its borderline on those parameters.
10-19-2007, 18:11
AussieGiant

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Ok chaps work is really hammering me at the moment.

I`m getting a bit worried that I`m not giving as much time as I should to this...so I`ll let you all know soon if the balance tips the wrong way quite soon.

Cheers
AG
10-19-2007, 18:35
Northnovas

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Gamemasters,

Quote:

So you have a green light to attack together if you wish, or, if you stay to defend Budapest, the others will also be around (Roadkill will go to Vienna to get another cannon, but leave his army).

The decision will be a nightattack led by Karl. A good defence is a good offence.
10-19-2007, 21:56
econ21

Re: Out of character thread XIV

OK, I have orders from everyone except Warluster and Ignoramus. Right now, I am going to set up some battles vs the AI for the weekend. If Warluster and Ignoramus supply orders late, there's a chance they will be implemented as I suspect this turn will run on until Sunday night.
10-19-2007, 22:55
econ21

Re: Out of character thread XIV

I've implemented orders for most people except the Swabians and those around the peripherary of their civil war. I am leaving that hot potato to TinCow to sort out.

In terms of battles against the AI, we have three:

Northnovas (Karl Zirn)

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

Your brave fellow defenders of Budapest, Friedrich Karolinger and Lorenz Zirn, have agreed to support your audacious move to attack the advancing Hungarians at night. They have contributed their best men and ride along side you. Give the Hungarians hell, but conserve the lives of your brave fellow Electors at all costs!

Stig (Ansehelm)

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

Break the Russian siege of Thorn and then put into the training queue whatever recruits you wish to hire (and have the points for).

Stuperman (Fredericus Erlach)

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

The defenders of Ajaccio are mounting up to meet the Sicilian invaders on the beaches. It seems unlikely you can actually win, but you may be able to thin their numbers enough to make the coming siege more manageable.

OOC: Any mounted knight regiment that escapes the battle with at least 1 man will be replaced with a dismounted equivalent. So you can use them for kamikaze attacks, but bring out at least one survivor from each. Try to let your archers fire for as long as possible - try to distract the AI, e.g. with your knights. Any infantry losses cannot be replaced, so you are best to withdraw and forfeit the battle after you have inflicted the most casualties that you can for the least loss. I think you will retreat back to Ajaccio.

First deadline to fight the battles - 24 hours hence, but there is likely to be another 24 hours period of grace if you desperately need it.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1322-4.zip
10-19-2007, 23:24
econ21

Re: Out of character thread XIV

And another battle:

Warluster (Athalwolf)

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

Duke Hans has provided you with the money to hire a mercenary pavise crossbowman and a mercenary spearmen. You may do so and assault Dijon. It will be a hard fight, but your Duke is confident - you may want to consult him for guidance.
10-20-2007, 00:06
Northnovas

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Battle waits and since I will be leaving home for the next 24 hrs I will grab the save. Battling now!

Battle fought here is the save:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1322-5.zip

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

https://i201.photobucket.com/albums/...rderbattle.jpg

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

https://i201.photobucket.com/albums/...-10victory.jpg
10-20-2007, 10:08
econ21

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Good work, Northnovas. :2thumbsup:

Everyone has now submitted orders, so we people just need to fight the three outstanding battles and then TinCow can implement the remaining instructions and end the turn.
10-20-2007, 10:19
OverKnight

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Do I need to update my recruitment orders, or is what we discussed in the Outremer thread going to be implemented?
10-20-2007, 10:36
econ21

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Quote:

Originally Posted by OverKnight

Do I need to update my recruitment orders, or is what we discussed in the Outremer thread going to be implemented?

What we discussed in the Outremer thread has already been implemented. :2thumbsup:
10-20-2007, 14:13
AussieGiant

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Good job Northnovas!!!

Love your work boys et al; Roadkill, Warmaster Horus!!

Way to stick it too them!! :)
10-20-2007, 14:45
AussieGiant

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Ahh,

NN

That save seems to be before the battle not after.

Cheers
AG
10-20-2007, 16:04
Stuperman

Re: Out of character thread XIV

cool, cool I'm at work for another 5 hours, but I can fight the battle after that (aprox.6 hours)
10-20-2007, 16:22
TinCow

Re: Out of character thread XIV

There's no great rush. I'm about to get on the road. I should have enough time this evening to do the game editing, but the full turn write-up will likely not be ready until Monday night, since Sunday is all booked with a wedding. Mea culpa for the delay.
10-20-2007, 16:24
FactionHeir

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Take your time.
As long as you don't press the end turn button before sorting out Hans' suggestions for the turn, I'm happy :grin2:
10-20-2007, 16:29
Privateerkev

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Quote:

Originally Posted by TinCow

There's no great rush. I'm about to get on the road. I should have enough time this evening to do the game editing, but the full turn write-up will likely not be ready until Monday night, since Sunday is all booked with a wedding. Mea culpa for the delay.

Real life takes precedence. Enjoy the wedding. :balloon2:
10-20-2007, 16:33
Stig

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Heh, I won't be able to fight my battle till sunday

If I bother to wake up tomorrow that is

~:cheers: ~:cheers: ~:cheers: ~:cheers: ~:cheers: ~:cheers:
10-20-2007, 20:39
econ21

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Quote:

Originally Posted by AussieGiant

That save seems to be before the battle not after.

No, it's good. There were two adjacent Hungarian stacks - NN used his night fighting ability to isolate and defeat one.

However, you do have enough movement points to attack the second stack, Northnovas. Go ahead if you want to.

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