[Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [Concluded]

Hohoho!
Well done!

Wait a sec, wasn't king dedede killed in an earlier game?

Well, all I can guess as to why this happened is that both corruptions decided to follow my lead, and beskar chose revenge, figuring we won't leave the giant metal space-dragon alive for too long. Nice work Captain Falcon. I think that clears Frozen, since I'll bet he's Amaterasu. If someone else is, I recommend they claim, since the corruptions already know who you are.

Thank you captain, for protecting Seon as I asked. I cannot believe two scums would attack a dude I said needed to be protected.

I am going to assume I took serious damage from that battle, and I'm all out of luck for next time.
Edit: Or not? Was I even attacked?

Frozen in Ice was scanned last night, because you guys were extremely suspicious of him. I wanted to confirm if he would be a good lynch or a bad lynch.

Waiting on results.

Actually, I'm Amaterasu ;).

Boo, phazons and Samus. BOOOO.

It seem like every time there is an extended period it is bad for the mafia, so can we extend this day also?

So, now that all of these guys are dead, do we have any ideas on who pikachu is?
And I'm guessing king dedede would be under bowser's faction, right?

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Originally Posted by classical_hero

It seem like every time there is an extended period it is bad for the mafia, so can we extend this day also?

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+1

Silly Princess, go back to making Mario some cake.

It seems your pessimism was unwarranted ATPG.:yes: And I was scanned so I should be cleared of everyone appearing in the write-up now.

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Originally Posted by autolycus

beskar chose revenge

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Not going to get a liar get away with talking nonsense to get me killed.

It doesn't look to me like you were even attacked, atpg.

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Originally Posted by Frozen In Ice

It seems your pessimism was unwarranted ATPG.:yes: And I was scanned so I should be cleared of everyone appearing in the write-up now.

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It's funny who arranged that clearing as well. Could it be that Beskar was telling the truth?

It was the truth, but not the whole truth. ;) A big difference between the two.

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Originally Posted by Thefluffyone93

Hohoho!
Well done!

Wait a sec, wasn't king dedede killed in an earlier game?

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He was in the first game, but kirby was killed in that game, so maybe he tagged along with ridley seeing as his nemesis was already dead.

So that puts dedede under what faction, exactly?

Well he was a villian in the first one, and was on the same side as ridley. Maybe he's another serial killer like pizza?

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Originally Posted by Beskar

Not going to get a liar get away with talking nonsense to get me killed.

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It seems to me like he was telling the truth or something close to it. If anyone would have the power to copy abilities, it's Gandrayda.

On another note, Link's killer doesn't fit either of our known scum teams. I'm sure we would have gotten some nice color-coded eyes if he were part of one of our primary teams. So the question is, innocent vig, neutral, or SK.


Revised Team List
GF Survivalists- ???-One batch of townies
IDFH Survivalists- ???- Another Batch of townies
Heroes- Final batch
Phazon Corrupted- Dark Samus, Cloud Strife, Pikachu- First Scum Squad
Bowser Corrupted- Shadow Peach, Samus, Cool Dude???- Second Scum Squad, I'm still not convinced that the cold killer on Night 2 was Shadow Peach
Meta-Ridley- SK/Neutral- Or possibly part of larger Space Pirate scum faction?
Hammer-Man- ????????

TWO serial killers?
Doubt it, and why hasn't he killed before this?
Unless he has, and I'm too stupid to remember it.

Ah, so winston was innocent after all. Massive wall posts of accusation from scum can taint even town, and that request for attacks on pizza after pizza said something about it being likely the mafia would gang up on him.

Scumhunting time!

Beskar has scumbuddies so we could look for them...

Well at least we didnt have to waste a lynch to find out. Pizza even offed beskar for us so, hey, bonus!

Summary for those who want one-

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Night 3

After the disappearance of Meta-Ridley, the crew of the GFS Olympus was at a loss for what to do. Clearly they had a dangerous dragon on board who was somehow posing as one of them- a dragon who also happened to be the leader of the Space Pirates that the ship had been initially en route to attack. But Meta-Ridley had also destroyed Dark Samus, another of the greatest enemies of the Galactic Federation. Nobody would be taking any chances tonight. It was certain they’d all be up late securing a defensive position.

All of them except for Barrett Wallace, that is.

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Barrett never missed sleep for anything, and tonight was no exception. Besides, if anyone bothered him, he had a machine for an arm. You don’t mess with a guy with a gun at the end of his arm. It wasn’t like anyone else on this ship had high-tech arm-mounted guns or anything.

He was kind of bummed out about the death of his good friend Cloud Strife… still, he supposed he was better off dead than living under the control of the Dark Hunter.

Barrett continued to sleep peacefully, even when his steel door was kicked down forcefully. A huge, rotund silhouette could be seen in the doorway. The large assassin hefted his equally large hammer into the air. After pressing a button, the hammer roared like a jet engine and was sheathed in flames. This amount of noise, however, shook Barrett awake.

The muscled warrior sprung to hit feet and kicked the assassin in the face, causing him to lose his balance. Then he began firing with his machine gun arm and loaded up the assassin with bullets.

Or at least, he would have, if the huge figure hadn’t been spinning his hammer rapidly and blocking them all. The assassin smashed Barrett with his fiery hammer, sending him flying into the wall. The wall was bent and Barrett was stuck in it. The lumbering assassin walked up to the stunned Barrett and whacked him with the hammer again, this time sending him through the wall, as well as the next two behind it.

After checking to make sure he had hit his mark, the dark figure waddled away into the depths of the ship.

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King Dedede. (unknown faction)

http://kirby.wikia.com/wiki/King_Dedede

Lack of Red Eyes and Blue Eyes or dialogue hints indicates to me a possible vigilante or recent recruit. Not our main target. This is his first kill.

Still, a vigilante attacking Link?

Meh... I guess it fits. Link wasn't very talkative; if you can't investigate, killing people off can make sense.

I do doubt the Serial Killer theory; he would have killed before, and he's obviously not scan then killing, because Link was a nobody.

Dedede is not a Serial Killer, IMO.

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The white wolf Amaterasu sprinted throughout the ship at full speed, leaving behind a trail of flowers as it went.

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Earlier, she had been approached by a small, yellow, mouse-like creature. The mouse had seemed friendly and playful at first, but after a few minutes Amaterasu had realized that it had glowing blue eyes and stared at her dementedly whenever it thought she wasn’t watching.

When the creature had suddenly launched a powerful electric blast at her, she was prepared and dodged, then began to run away. They were now in the midst of a cat-and-mouse chase… or rather a mouse-and-dog chase. Amaterasu dared not look behind her, but she heard the creature’s shrieks and the objects exploding with electricity behind her.

Finally, she hung a hard left into a corridor and left the creature behind. She continued sprinting through what appeared to be a large room used for communications- which had long been abandoned since they were cut. She kept running until she bumped into a large, armored figure with its back to here. The figure turned around immediately and aimed its gun.

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Amaterasu had escaped from one danger only to encounter another. The Hunter charged up her arm cannon, and an orb of pure light energy began growing steadily at the end of it. The white wolf was paralyzed with surprise, caught like a deer in the headlights of a car. From behind, she heard the yellow mouse bounding into the room, bristling with static electricity and growling.

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There was a blinding flash as both the light beam and the thunderbolt were fired at her. But when Amaterasu opened her eyes, she was unharmed. A huge, chiseled figure of a man stood next to her, holding up a powerful force field that blocked both attacks.

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Both the Hunter and Pikachu were shocked. Then they noticed each other, and each quickly retreated back into the shadows. Amaterasu looked back towards her Captain, wanting to thank him, but he was gone without a trace, as if he had never been there at all. Amaterasu hurried back to her quarters.

Samus and Pikachu, rival mafia factions, both attack Seon/Amaterasu, and are protected by Captain Falcon. Good call Cap'n.

Two less townie deaths tonight.

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Deep in the lower sections of the GFS Olympus, the bounty hunter Gandrayda ventured.

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Down here, near the Cargo Bay, nearly all of the lighting equipment had been destroyed when the ship had been struck. Now the crew knew that Meta-Ridley was the one who had forced his way on board. Gandrayda thought that the dragon had probably lodged himself in the Cargo Bay itself, since it was one of the only rooms large enough for him to move around effectively. Since there was no lighting, not many had dared to venture down here since the attack had begun.

In fact, there was only one other crew member who had been down here previously…

“Don’t move!”

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Jill Valentine had her gun pointed directly at Gandrayda.

“There’s something very dangerous down here… it’s best if you leave at once.”

The look on Gandrayda’s face was a mixture of amusement and confusion.

“What’s the matter, Jill? Not scared, are you? Besides… if it’s so dangerous, why are you down here yourself?”

“You need to go, and you need to do it now.”

“Why’s that? So you can finish your little chat with Meta-Ridley? Is that it? I’m no fool, Jill. I know what you’re up to, and I know what you can do… like this!”

Gandrayda produced a large ball of flame in her hand and held it there. Pallor passed over Jill’s face, and a red glint flashed in her eyes.

“You’re wrong, Gandrayda. You are quite the fool, and have sealed your own fate. Down here, no one is going to hear you scream!”

The illusion faded, and Jill Valentine’s true form was revealed, lit by the flames in Gandrayda’s hands.

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Princess Peach, corrupted by an evil force, stood before her. She produced fireballs in her own hands, identical to the one Gandrayda held, and threw them at her. Gandrayda dodged, and began fighting fire with fire.

The cat fight continued, but Shadow Peach was gaining the upper hand. She had clearly had more practice using her own powers than Gandrayda had. However, there was one watching from the shadows who interrupted their battle.

“SCREEEEEEECHRRROOOOOOOAAAAARRRR!”

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Meta-Ridley swooped in from the high ceiling and shot a massive fireball into the midst of the battle, throwing both combatants to the ground. The massive dragon landed between them, and faced Shadow Peach with a devious grin on his reptilian face. He began slashing at the dark princess with his razor-sharp claws, and she was barely swift enough to avoid the attacks.

Gandrayda was almost mesmerized by the battle. She could have easily slipped away at this point, but that was not what she came to do. She saw only one possible way to come out on top.

The bounty hunter took a good look at Meta-Ridley, and then jumped onto his back, grabbing hold of his metal-plated spine. The dragon was confused and disoriented, and Shadow Peach managed to blast him in the face with a fiery attack. When she looked at the damage, though, she was seeing double.

Gandrayda had shape-shifted and somehow managed to take the form of Meta-Ridley. She lunged forward and grabbed Shadow Peach in her new talons, and then flew high into the air. She opened her mouth to launch a fire blast at the princess, but she was not yet used to this new form.

Shadow Peach seized the opportunity and blasted Gandrayda in the face with a fireball, causing her to lose her grip. Peach remained floating in the air, and reached forward herself, gripping Gandrayda by her scaly neck. Burning the bounty hunter with her clenched fists, she dove and plunged her head-first into the metal deck below.

Gandrayda, drained of all energy, resumed her normal form on the floor. Shadow Peach stood triumphantly over her.

“Hmph… at least I’ll take you with me…”

Shadow Peach wondered for a moment what she meant as the light left her eyes. Then she came to a dreaded realization when she heard the growling behind her.

The princess was impaled by Meta-Ridley’s tail, sharp as a spear, before she could turn around. When Meta-Ridley withdrew his tail and dropped her to the ground, however, she did not bleed. Wisps of red and black smoke left her body, and she screamed with hatred and agony.

When all of the dark energy had left her body, Meta-Ridley caught a glimpse of her eyes, in their normal, sparkling blue coloration, just before she lost consciousness.

Beskar (Red faction) attacks Winston (townie)
Winston (townie) attacks Beskar (Red Faction)
ATPG (SK) attacks Beskar (Red Faction)

Beskar and Winston died.

Lynch diamondeye.

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

Lynch diamondeye.

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Any reason?

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Originally Posted by autolycus

On another note, Link's killer doesn't fit either of our known scum teams. I'm sure we would have gotten some nice color-coded eyes if he were part of one of our primary teams. So the question is, innocent vig, neutral, or SK.

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I think you'll find that's Corrupted Mario.

I remember back when beskar accused tincow I had a feeling that diamondeye was linked to beskar. Also there's something secret I won't add because it's unsporting (nothing against the rules though).

Hold off on Diamondeye for now. Give me a little time to hear from the scanners, Diamondeye was on the list.

I have a message for Captain Falcon that I need to pass along privately, and I don't know how to do it safely without asking him to reveal to me.

I am open to suggestions; I know you're worried about protecting his ID but this is important.

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Originally Posted by TinCow

I think you'll find that's Corrupted Mario.

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"huge" doesn't fit Mario's description, even if he is husky (most enemies are larger than mario), nor are his hammers automatic with jet noises. I think you'll find that you're wrong.

vote: diamondeye until I have a chance to look back through previous votes.

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

"huge" doesn't fit Mario's description, even if he is husky (most enemies are larger than mario), nor are his hammers automatic with jet noises. I think you'll find that you're wrong.

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Hmmm... yes, you're right. I missed the jet noises thing. I saw the hammer which, combined with Peach, made me think of Donkey Kong.

Diamondeye is not Samus, Pikachu, or King Dedede.

Well then, we are basically starting from square one,
as we have no leads....so, any one wanna make a guess?

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Originally Posted by Thefluffyone93

Well then, we are basically starting from square one,
as we have no leads....so, any one wanna make a guess?

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There is still the Frozen in Ice scan and others I want to hear back from.

I'm not doing nothing presently, I'm updating my suspect list and reviewing the game. I advise others to do the same.

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Diamondeye is not Samus, Pikachu, or King Dedede.

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I take it those are the remaining mafia?


My next suspect is yaropolk. His instant suspicion of beskar back when he claimed sounds like inside knowledge.

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

I take it those are the remaining mafia?

My next suspect is yaropolk. His instant suspicion of beskar back when he claimed sounds like inside knowledge.

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Dedede is not confirmed mafia yet. He has a lack of blue or red text in his kill attempt, and the kill attempt removed a suspect that was unlikely to be lynched. I do not know who this is; but reducing their effectiveness as mafia/proving that they are mafia, is as simple as asking such a vigilante to refrain from killing. If he listens to us, that's probably fewer townie deaths, and is less likely to be mafia. And even if he is mafia, that absolutely means fewer townie deaths.

Samus and Pikachu on the other hand are confirmed mafia and will not respond to such commands.

Dedede also left writeup proof he is not Samus or Pikachu, that's important.

My inactivity scan is going to become less and less useful as the game goes on; but at the same time, it can be used to nail mafia in the act, or force them to commit the WIFOM strategy of not killing at night. I will want to ask certain townies not to perform actions at night, and follow up with scans; if this is a workable plan, I think we should do it. Those cleared of being Samus or Pikachu will be free to continue doing whatever it is they want to do on the following nights.

I recommend using such a strategy on Yaropolk tonight. I have a strong suspicion he is not mafia, for what it is worth.

There's at least three mafia remaining.

Pikachu is the most obvious one, being the remaining member of the Phazon team; Beskar was part of the other mafia family and has two remaining allies alive, one of which is Samus.

Vote:pever

You guys should follow my lead for no reason whatsoever. Just saying

Oh yes. I hate forgetting things.

pever said he thought beskar was guilty but wanted winston killed first...and if winston flipped town we would know to lynch beskar. Perhaps he and beskar really did think winston would flip guilty. Also I have my doubts about the way pever acted about the voting block group.

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I quickly pointed out to Reenk that, at that stage, it was against the rules. I was jealous, I wanted it to be like old times. Just me and Reenk.

Due to the time differences, before we could work anything out, he was killed.

AND IF BESKAR DID IT, BY GOD YOU WILL SUFFER.

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Oooooh. Oooooh. DEATH UPON PEVER

He got the group disqualified because he didn't want to be forced into voting with it and then killed reenk. Claim of jealousy and yelling at beskar read insincere.

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Originally Posted by Csargo

Vote:pever

You guys should follow my lead for no reason whatsoever. Just saying

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I'd follow you to the ends of the earth Strawberry.

Vote: pevergreen

edit: sasaki, that makes no sense.

You realise Beskar claimed killing you and Reenk already, right?

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Originally Posted by Insanious

Vote: Glenn

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Had more to say than this, and after getting a few votes, clammed up, and dropped off the face of the Earth. But, interestingly, he's still visiting the org at night.

Vote: Insanious

Others also read his posts as being forced/fake sounding. He's nervous about his own death. I want to know why. He was also one of the Tincow unvoters, iirc.

He's also not Captain Falcon, so I'm not as worried about a mislynch.

Welcome to the .org my friend. Now, off with your head.

Bah! I was killed? Terrible times we live in. Or don't. Anyway, I guess I was attacked by the bowser faction. King Dedede seems quite plausible.

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Originally Posted by Insanious

I don't know if I believe this "Investigator":

1st killer = Samus
2nd killer = Seems to me like Pikachu, but no idea... there's only one episode with a blue eye'd pikachu... well a Mewtwo controlled Pikachu...
3rd killer = Someone with red eyes, and kills with cold
4th killer = Dark Samus

Cloud Strife is neither: Tiny and uses lightning, nor does cloud kill with cold...

Either:

1) Inverstigator is fibbing
2) Investigation result is wrong
3) Corrupted Cloud Strife kills by freezing people and is from Kid Icarus' LP
4) Corrupted Cloud Strike is tiny and kills people with lightning

To me, just doesn't seem to fit any of the 4 killers last night, might just be me.

Edit: just changed "dark cloud strife" to "corrupted cloud strife"

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Perfect information syndrome.

He knew Tincow was not one of the killers.

I've wavered on that post a few times. Last time I read over it I decided not to do anything, don't remember why.

@pever: and beskar doing the killing means what?

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

I've wavered on that post a few times. Last time I read over it I decided not to do anything, don't remember why.

@pever: and beskar doing the killing means what?

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He's not a newbie to mafia. However, we do do things kinda differently here and have our own "culture" if you will. He was quite bold here to question an investigation result on Tincow, so early in a new game on a new forum.

A bit too bold, if you ask me. I don't have knowledge of his behavioral norms, but just from this game alone, you can see he's worried about dying, at least as much if not more than most others. From where does he get the boldness to question an investigator result on someone he knows not a thing about?

From firsthand knowledge.

He knows a lot about the game. He is already fluent in reading the writeups, more so than someone who just joined our little club honestly should.

This is a high compliment. Either he has the potential to be one of the greats here, or he's a dirty filthy scumbag who JUST PLAIN KNEW that Tincow didn't kill. Maybe both.

I believe he is Pikachu.

Reread it. Basically, if he's buddies with TinCow, he knows he is corrupted cloud strife. And so when someone posts saying that tincow is corrupted cloud stife, you KNOW as mafia that the investigator is telling the truth.

On the other hand, if your town and paid attention to the writeup and know what a cloud strife kill would look like, you will instantly doubt the claim that cloud was one of the killers. I remember being doubtful of that. And his edit saying he originally posted dark cloud strife and changed to corrupted...

Let's go with pever.

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

And his edit saying he originally posted dark cloud strife and changed to corrupted...

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I think this is a false indicator. He might not have known the full name of his mafia buddy offhand. Adding "Dark" to the name however implies that he understands the context and that Cloud Strife is in fact dark and evil. It's his own contribution here, which he promptly edited before anyone had a chance to correct him.

We might very well go with pever; no reason not to pressure Insanious for a while as well. The round isn't just about who we lynch, it's also about who we pressure, and comparing and contrasting candidates.

I think this one is also questionable.

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Originally Posted by TinCow

Ugh out of town and posting on phone. No time to defend myself at length due to nye party. Investigator is lying. Last night I was investigating. As proof, my result was that sasaki is Rundas, GF survivalist. He can confirm this.

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Tincow's own post indicates the decided-upon defense for this round.

The Dark Samus team is caught with their main investigator's pants down. They decide, as a group, that the defense used to keep Tincow from dying is to point out there is no way he was killing.

They do this in twofold fashion: Insanious points out he's missing from the writeup, and Tincow reveals a correct investigation result.

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Originally Posted by Renata

This was a bog-standard day one. If anything (barring two townies being dead instead of the more typical one), it was better than usual. There's a heck of a vote trail in the case that classical hero, ATPG, or anyone else ever in danger turns up mafia.

Where have you played mafia before?

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Good god, why? What would he have to gain? Whatever else, Beskar himself is probably telling the truth about this.

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See how Renata interacts with Insanious, and even reacts to Glenn's pressuring of Insanious, and plays the counterpoint to the other two mafiosi.

She suggests the results on Tincow are true; distancing tactic. But where is her vote on Tincow?

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INACTIVE: ByzKnight (1st), dcmort (1st), Khazaar (1st), Renata (1st), Yaseikhaan (1st)

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Nowhere.



Tincow, Renata, Insanious.

So I'm being lynched cause I stopped Reenk from breaking the rules?

kk.

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Originally Posted by pevergreen

So I'm being lynched cause I stopped Reenk from breaking the rules?

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For what it's worth, I think the reasoning is just a stretch too far.

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Originally Posted by autolycus

It seems to me like he was telling the truth or something close to it. If anyone would have the power to copy abilities, it's Gandrayda

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His claim was wrong though, as you will see end of game.

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Originally Posted by Insanious

This is what I assumed at first UNTIL! I read the night post, and it doesn't seem like this holds water. For the reason that kid Iccarus (Pit) KNEW his killer. This to me screams that the killer is from the IDFH side of the universe (I assume its SSBB). Since Pit would not recognize his attacker if he was from the Metroid Universe, I do not think that Rundas was Pit's killer.

This is only assuming that I can read that much into the write up...

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Gimme a break.

I wouldn't have even read that much into the write-up. I don't know of anyone who would have. No one but him did.

Either Insanious is the most gifted and talented write-up analyzer of all time.... OF ALL TIME.... or he knows exactly what the writeups mean, from an insider's point of view.

After talking with ATPG

Unvote, Vote: Insanious

There is a person out there who stole (literally stole) a specific ability from a specific player.

You will know which person you are, and which ability was stolen.

As mentioned in my Star Wars game (Drain Knowledge, the equivalent power) this power can be used to prove you were active and busy that night doing something besides killing.

If you reveal to me who you are, it will exonerate you of being Samus, Pikachu, and the other killer Dedede.

If you do not reveal to me, I will assume when I find you that you are mafia or otherwise malevolent.


edit- to clarify; I think the only evil person you could be is Beskar's unknown partner; the non-Samus partner. Hesitation to reveal, from my point of view, indicates that any loss of privacy would be game-losing for you, and I don't think that should be the case for an innocent.

I know we need to look at other suspects, and there's no sense killing the day with a single bandwagon. But please make sure that askthepizzaguy ends up dead at the end of it. If you think we can use him safely, you are gravely mistaken.

He knew full well that Beskar was scum, but was using him to advance his own interest. Sooner or later, at a time most convenient to him, pizza would have thrown Beskar to the mob anyway.

He will pull the same kind of stuff over and over, feeding the town just enough information to make him seem useful, and manipulating events so that lynching him never seems like the best option. And when it comes to the endgame, he'll have made sure there's one last scummer (or someone who can be painted as scum) alive to lynch instead of him.

Don't take the risk. Lynch askthepizzaguy today.

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Originally Posted by Beskar

Not going to get a liar get away with talking nonsense to get me killed.

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:laugh4: You still don't get it, do you?

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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

He will pull the same kind of stuff over and over, feeding the town just enough information to make him seem useful, and manipulating events so that lynching him never seems like the best option. And when it comes to the endgame, he'll have made sure there's one last scummer (or someone who can be painted as scum) alive to lynch instead of him.

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I could have left Beskar alive so he was lynched instead. I could have tried to randomly hit Samus myself, and accomplish my mission.

You still don't get it, do you?

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He knew full well that Beskar was scum

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No, I did not. I did think he was being manipulated by a scum, and then I thought he was third party.

I don't expect you to believe what I say, but it sucks that the only thing you know how to do with me is ignore me. You really shut off your own options.

How about commenting on Insanious, or pevergreen? You want to do the following:

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I know we need to look at other suspects, and there's no sense killing the day with a single bandwagon. But please make sure that askthepizzaguy ends up dead at the end of it.

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You want to make sure I am dead, while also pressuring other suspects. There is no pressure if they know the outcome.

Vote: Insanious

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

I could have left Beskar alive so he was lynched instead.

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Yes, you could have done something that looked scummier. But you can only win here by pretending to be on the town's side.

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

I don't expect you to believe what I say, but it sucks that the only thing you know how to do with me is ignore me. You really shut off your own options.

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I know that the only sensible thing to do with scum is to lynch them. The town is doing pretty well right now, but it'll be doing better once you're dead.

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

You want to make sure I am dead, while also pressuring other suspects. There is no pressure if they know the outcome.

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But if nobody's calling for your head, then you'll never get lynched.

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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

Yes, you could have done something that looked scummier. But you can only win here by pretending to be on the town's side.

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I'm not pretending. You have a dead Dark Samus and a Dead Shadow Peach.

I have Seon to thank for Dark Samus, and I honestly do have you to thank for Shadow Peach. It still bugs me a little that you were not the one leading the charge on Beskar as soon as you found out he could kill; but you're town, so what can I say.

The thing about townies is, sometimes they don't know a good thing when they see one.

Your pressure on Beskar forced him to admit to me he could kill; among other things. I changed my mind because I listened to you even when I thought you were scummy scummy scummy scum.

When Samus dies, and I promise, I'll make that happen ASAP, then kill me kill me kill me. I am NOT going for a last man standing survival victory. I am going for the Samus death by my hands primary victory.

I won't kill unless with town approval. I won't live more than a few more rounds. I can be lynched when you lack suspects. I can investigate. I am not even asking to survive that long.

You are shooting yourself in the foot, tbh.

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I know that the only sensible thing to do with scum is to lynch them. The town is doing pretty well right now, but it'll be doing better once you're dead.

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You know what else you can do with scum? Get them to kill each other off. Especially if you ARE doing well.

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But if nobody's calling for your head, then you'll never get lynched.

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I don't know if you've noticed, but everyone says I need to die soon. Soon doesn't need to be right now, but I doubt anyone's definition of soon means 7 rounds from now.

I bet you if I go a full day and night without smashing some mafia's head in, they'll call for my lynch. I'll regurgitate and then eat my hat again.

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

When Samus dies, and I promise, I'll make that happen ASAP, then kill me kill me kill me. I am NOT going for a last man standing survival victory. I am going for the Samus death by my hands primary victory.

I won't kill unless with town approval. I won't live more than a few more rounds. I can be lynched when you lack suspects. I can investigate. I am not even asking to survive that long.

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I don't believe that you will sign your own death warrant by giving us Samus, and I am quite certain that you are lying about your victory conditions.

Better get your popcorn ready.



http://www.giantsfootballblog.com/wo...corn-ready.jpg

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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

I know we need to look at other suspects, and there's no sense killing the day with a single bandwagon. But please make sure that askthepizzaguy ends up dead at the end of it. If you think we can use him safely, you are gravely mistaken.

He knew full well that Beskar was scum, but was using him to advance his own interest. Sooner or later, at a time most convenient to him, pizza would have thrown Beskar to the mob anyway.

He will pull the same kind of stuff over and over, feeding the town just enough information to make him seem useful, and manipulating events so that lynching him never seems like the best option. And when it comes to the endgame, he'll have made sure there's one last scummer (or someone who can be painted as scum) alive to lynch instead of him.

Don't take the risk. Lynch askthepizzaguy today.



:laugh4: You still don't get it, do you?

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About ATPG, the results speak for themselves, he has been able to catch two mafia with what he is doing and one of them was Dark Samus, so he is most defintely been very useful for the town. I am sure that we as the town can still have some control over who he kills, but of course we do know that he kills and that is a bit of worry which is why I understand your worries about him. But it does seem that Insanious has something to hide, so he needs to speak out of forever hold his peace.

He's scum. He's spent the whole game working with scum. His claimed victory conditions are too convenient to be believable. And he knows I've got his number.

That's why, just like Beskar, he resorts to mockery - the last refuge of the scumbag.

Edit: Oh, and don't let him pretend that discussing him for the lynch means we can't chase other suspects.

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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

He's scum. He's spent the whole game working with scum. His claimed victory conditions are too convenient to be believable. And he knows I've got his number. That's why, just like Beskar, he resorts to mockery.

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No way dude. I haven't been mocking you, I've been responding to your points seriously.

Everything I did, from the very first moment I contacted you, until now, was to try to get you to listen to me, and talk to me. I didn't want to kill you; I wanted to see if there was something you could tell me that would convince me you were worth keeping around.

Had your response been: "I stole Plasma Cannon, from Beskar. I think he's scum" I would have asked Beskar if this were true; which in fact I did, when it was Beskar who was the one who told me you made that allegation. I still asked him if it was true. After some screwing around, he admitted it.

It was then that I asked for his whole story; I already knew he had ties to a likely Samus mafioso, with his detective, and now a killing power too? He fed me a nice story about him being a mason team with an investigator. It was quite creative.

One of the two of you were lying; I felt it was you because of your behavior, your hesitation, your generalities. And Beskar, well.... what scum does what he did so soon? Well I was wrong. And, by questioning you, I figured it out in time to stop a bad move and start a good one. And that all happened when you finally stopped being stubborn and actually treated my questions with respect.

I've already given you credit for being right on Beskar. So much so, that I risked my head, shattered a pseudoalliance (one based on lies) with the Samus team and angried up a good friend of mine, just because I liked your answers and I disliked his.

You're fine to be suspicious, and you're doing your duty to be vigilant. But please, don't act like I've mistreated you. What happened last night was a sign of great respect for you, NOT mockery.

I'm not offended in the slightest. The fact you're resorting to mockery (the popcorn thing being the most recent example) just tells me that I'm getting it right.

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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

I'm not offended in the slightest. The fact you're resorting to mockery (the popcorn thing being the most recent example) just tells me that I'm getting it right.

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The popcorn thing was a joke... you were in disbelief about what I claimed I was going to do, and I responded with a well-known reference to something said by a famous football player who was being braggadocious.

I think you very much misconstrue my intentions there.

This is all beside the point anyway. You've got your mind made up, and a closed mind is incapable of listening.

I'll do this with or without you. Sorry you feel that way.

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Sorry you feel that way.

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:laugh4: I'm sure you are.

I like the case on Insanious; I think there's a good chance that he's scum. In fact, if we end up lynching someone who isn't Pizza or Insanious, I'd like to ask Pizza to eat him...

But we need other suspects than those two; we know there are members of both scumsquads out there still. I can't help but look at Beefy's noncommitting posts when the Dark Samus team was being trawled up. I think that's worth my vote:Beefy187 for now, at least. Wasn't he also one of the people mentioned in RR's "voting block"-schtick?

I think that following up on the case on Insanious is the right thing :) , so Vote: Insanious

@DiamondEye, what's your beef with beefy? Sorry I could not resist that one.

I thin right now there is only one good lead right now, so vote:Insanious

@Chaotix, can you have the player list to reflect who has replaced who, to make understanding the roles better from what the previous player was reacting, just in case one of the happened to be scum, unlikely as it is.

I just did not want to edit a post with a vote, hence this new one.

That's enough votes on Insanious; we want to be able to reverse it if necessary.

I need sleep, please talk about other suspects.

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Diamondeye is not Samus, Pikachu, or King Dedede.

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Must I remind you of what you wrote yesterday?

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

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I can prove that Beskar isn't Samus, or aligned with Samus. Beyond that I have no idea right now.

I think his lead on Winston is correct; I ask you to trust me on that. If it is not, I really have no hesitation with lynching Beskar tomorrow.

This is stuff that I do not think should be delayed; but at the same time, whoever Beskar is, it's not Samus, and I can prove it.

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We know today that you were probably wrong. It appears that Beskar was Samus-aligned.

I am not, unlike others (Hi Sasaki!), ready to accept this at face value. I want to know how you conclude that Diamondeye is not one of the three roles that you listed.

I don't know who to vote for at the moment, and ATPG doesn't want more vote on Insanious anyway.

But I know where I can lay a good vote, temporarily, if not permanently.

vote: Askthepizzaguy :grin:

It can't be a bad idea to have some votes on him, if we decide he has to go.

I believe that Insanious is a scum. Perfect Information Syndrome is a potent clue.
But, since I understand why it could be beneficial not to have too big wagon on him, I will vote on my second target.
For the reasons I explained earlier (fear, mostly) I vote: ATPG

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

There is a person out there who stole (literally stole) a specific ability from a specific player.

You will know which person you are, and which ability was stolen.

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If I had a power to steal abilities from other players, I know who I would target. What a better target than a bad dragon who claimed neutral party and a kill ability? :applause:

Let's not forget about this important thread of investigation - nobody has followed up on it after the morning's events. If you recall, Beskar was aware of Reenk Roink's voting block even though he wasn't on the invite.


According to Ironside in this post:

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Originally Posted by Ironside

This PM was sent out to:
Ironside
Beefy187
pevergreen
Renata

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Renata was Dark Samus, so she could not have leaked to Beskar. That leaves Reenk himself (confirmed dead townie) or one of the other 3.

So, one of Ironside, Beefy, or pevergreen knew who Beskar was on N1. My analysis is as follows:


Ironside - On one hand gave us the full clarity into details of voting block, on the other hand, could be WIFOM.

pevergreen - he has been active and contributing posts, but I haven't seen anything concrete from him to help the town. Could be a sign of a mafia who's avoiding being a lurker.

Beefy - Has been lurking like a bandit this game, on the other hand some people here are charmed by ACIN/Csargo/Beefy style of silliness for whatever reason.


I'd like to see all three of the suspects reveal their roles and actions to date. I am more suspicious of pever / beefy than of Ironside as he did the full reveal on the voting block to the whole town.

Vote: pevergreen

Beefy, ATPG and Glenn, were all left hanging in a 3-way tie at 4 votes on Day 2, before it was extended. It's a sign that each of them does not have teammates, specially not on the Bowser team who was full at the time, or they would have placed a vote to change the tally.

So it's doubtful that Beefy leaked the info to Beskar.

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Originally Posted by classical_hero

About ATPG, the results speak for themselves, he has been able to catch two mafia with what he is doing and one of them was Dark Samus, so he is most defintely been very useful for the town.

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Ahem, ATPG did not catch Corrupted Peach. ATPG fought it as hard as he could, even when it was clearly futile. The person who nailed Beskar was Winston Hughes and only Winston Hughes. Give respect where respect is due.

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Originally Posted by Romanic

Beefy, ATPG and Glenn, were all left hanging in a 3-way tie at 4 votes on Day 2, before it was extended. It's a sign that each of them does not have teammates, specially not on the Bowser team who was full at the time, or they would have placed a vote to change the tally.

So it's doubtful that Beefy leaked the info to Beskar.

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Very good point, almost forgot about that. LYNCH PEVERGREEN!

The tally so far.

5 Insanious (ATPG, pevergreen, choxorn, God Emperor, classical_hero)
2 pevergreen (Csargo, Yaropolk)
2 ATPG (Romanic, Jarema)
1 Diamondeye (woad&fangs)
1 Beefy (Diamondeye)
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20 not voting (everyone else)

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Originally Posted by TinCow

Ahem, ATPG did not catch Corrupted Peach. ATPG fought it as hard as he could, even when it was clearly futile. The person who nailed Beskar was Winston Hughes and only Winston Hughes. Give respect where respect is due.

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Well he could have still tried to kill Winston, but he killed Beskar, so he does deserve some credit for removing a scum, even if he had to be prodded into doing so.

What's the case on Insaneous? I read he had perfect info syndrome, but what was the context on that? I'm pleased with ATPG's results so far, but we have to be very careful to let a third party guide the town's voting.