Mafia VIII: Return of the Recommencement of the Revenge of the Mafia [Concluded]

I don't think Sarathos is acting TOO strangely, in my opinion he is just a casual player who was never too good at analysis... like me.

Interesting that only a few live people has posted, all of the others are dead :skull: Where are the others??? Lurking maybe?

Vote: Kage

Random lurker :juggle2:

Vote: Kommodus

Where art thou, Holmes? You've been extremely quiet thus far...

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Originally Posted by shlin28

I don't think Sarathos is acting TOO strangely, in my opinion he is just a casual player who was never too good at analysis... like me.

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Yeah but he is trying to blame me for his own lack of analysis. His reasoning is that if his actions are bad, it is because of my own bad analysis and is not actually his fault.

He is the one that is responsible for his own vote. While I can forgive a lack of analysis, I find his defensiveness and "passing the buck" to be disturbing.

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Originally Posted by shlin28

Interesting that only a few live people has posted, all of the others are dead :skull: Where are the others??? Lurking maybe?

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I am holding off this round until the write-up is posted.

What he said.

How convenient for you both...

Of course. Will you vote me for that? :clown:

Oh, that is low! :no:

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Originally Posted by Craterus

How convenient for you both...

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Says a man who also hasn't posted anything of substance during this day phase. :inquisitive:

Post Count: Name, Posts, post per page [40 post page setting] * = likely WOG
Bolded names are innocent murderees. Underlines are lynchees. RED post rates are VERY different from previous play and worthy of examination.


Privateerkev 68
GeneralHankerchief 45 -- Host
FactionHeir 32 2.29/ppp compared with 0.21/ppp in Capo2
Ichigo 27 1.93/ppp compared with 1.72 in Taormina and 1.05 in Capo2
Andres 23
KukriKhan 23 1.64/ppp compared with 0.76 in Taormina and 0.69 in Capo2
TinCow 22 1.57/ppp compared with 3.34 in Taormina and 1.9 in Capo2 What was he in Taormina?
Elite Ferret 21 1.5/ppp compared with 0.76 in Taormina and 0.65 in capo2
Sasaki Kojiro 21 1.5/ppp compared with 3.41 in Taormina and 2.7 in Capo2
Sarathos 21 1.5/ppp compared with 0.17 in Taormina and 0.44 in Capo2
shlin28 20 1.43/ppp compared with 0.45 in Taormina and 0.77 in Capo2
Craterus 18 1.29/ppp compared with 0.87 in Capo2
makaikhaan 17 1.21/ppp
LittleGrizzly 16
peverpink 16
woad&fangs 14
Seamus Fermanagh 13 0.93/ppp
Sigurd Fafnesbane 12 0.93/ppp
Gaius Scribonius Curio 11 0.78/ppp
CountArach 11 0.78/ppp
Kagemusha 9 0.64/ppp compared with 1.16 in Capo2
Tratorix 9
discovery1 9 0.64/ppp
RoadKill 8 0.57/ppp
Rythmic 8 0.57/ppp
Beefy187 7 0.5/ppp
TevashSzat 6
Crazed Rabbit 5
Caius 4 0.29/ppp
Quintus.J.Cicero 4 0.29/ppp
|Sith|R|AntiWarmanCake88 4 0.29/ppp
Tiberius of the Drake 3 0.21/ppp
Fenring 3 0.21/ppp
Joe Monks 3 0.21/ppp
Kommodus 3 0.21/ppp
Omanes Alexandrapolites 2 0.14/ppp
Mithrandir* 2 0.14/ppp
Lord Winter* 1 0.07/ppp
georgeman51* 1 0.07/ppp

Quite a few people are posting differently than usual for them. Let's hear from them, shall we?

Whoa... I doubled my post per page count from Capo, awsome :2thumbsup:

I guess my count went up because in Capo, there were many other potential lynchees, so I can get by with fewer posts, but here there are fewer people, so I need to make posts, lest I be lynched :skull:

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Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh

TinCow 22 1.57/ppp compared with 3.34 in Taormina and 1.9 in Capo2 What was he in Taormina?

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In Taormina I was a townie for the first 3 days, then mafioso. Wasn't aware I could go mafioso until I was 'recruited.' I haven't been posting as much because I've generally been pretty busy in RL over the past week. I just don't have as much time to devote to in-depth analysis as I would like. The LotR people can confirm that over the last week my participation there has been pretty much limited to stuff I need to do to keep the game running. That's one of the reasons I'm cautious about the 'letters' thing; I don't have time to go back and check the accuracy of what other people are telling me, so I've got to assume that the letters they pull out of the write-ups are accurate. I don't like relying on other people for that kind of info.

Omanes was killed as well and should be bolded and removed as a potential WoG.

FH and TC, lack of the write-up is just an excuse. You both should start posting your thoughts now. We can always search for missing letters later. :yes:

And TC, you can find the missing letters yourself in about 1 minute by simply "quoting" GH's write-ups and using spell check. Hope this helps. :beam:

I would explain my higher post count here in comparison to Capo with me being a lurker in Capo as mafia and feeding results to Don and Buddy to publish instead. Besides, there was a page or two in this game where it was more or less back and forth between me and PK.

Happy? :tongue2:

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Originally Posted by TinCow

Says a man who also hasn't posted anything of substance during this day phase. :inquisitive:

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I'm dead and also confirmed innocent. I'm not really obliged to do anything.

I've given a list of suspects and all of those people are still worth lynching IMO. That's my contribution. Whether the town chooses to follow it is up to them.

Have a nice day! :nice:

EDIT: Here's the list, once again: TinCow, Elite Ferret, FactionHeir, Kagemusha and Sasaki.
Interestingly enough, my list is supported by SF's posting rates analysis. Looks like I was onto something...
Also, Seamus, if bolded people are the dead, you forgot to bold me.

EF was lynched Craterus.

Also, Seamus's list has Tratorix, Omanes, and Craterus as alive when they are dead.

Killed:
Tratorix
Omanes Alexandrapolites
Andres
Craterus
LittleGrizzly
TevashSzat
woad&fangs
Crazed Rabbit

Executed:
Privateerkev
Elite Ferret
peverpink

Ungh, I should not have signed up for this. This summer is just not going to be a good time for me to be playing mafia. I will do my best to get caught up and try to find the mafia sometime before the end. In the meantime,

Vote: |Sith|R|AntiWarmanCake88

Really, this is just to prevent myself from being WoG'd, since WoGs never help the town in any way. Rather the mafia kill me or the townspeople lynch me so at least it's not a total waste.

Ok, fine.

TinCow, FactionHeir, Kagemusha - Updated list.

Sasaki has been removed because I think he's just too busy at the moment. As mafia, he usually maintains his activity. So yeah, I think the lack of posts is due to him not having a special role and not having as much time.

Look into the other three, town.

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Originally Posted by Craterus

Ok, fine.

TinCow, FactionHeir, Kagemusha - Updated list.

Sasaki has been removed because I think he's just too busy at the moment. As mafia, he usually maintains his activity. So yeah, I think the lack of posts is due to him not having a special role and not having as much time.

Look into the other three, town.

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I agree that Sasaki is most likely busy in real life. He is normally much more active, regardless of the role.

I'm not sure what TC has done that is suspicious. He seems to be playing much like he always does and I can confirm that he is not very active in LotR right now.

I don't see why people suspect Kag either. Though this is my first time playing a Mafia game with him so I don't know how he normally is. I think pever's "reveal" was bogus so anyone who uses that as an excuse should get a big FoS towards them.

FH seems a little suspicious to me. Hard to put my finger on why but it is a hunch.

Same with Khaan. These two would be my top two suspects for now.

A distant 3rd would be Sarathos. He got far too defensive for my taste when I asked for him to give a reason for voting for Khaan.

My suspicion is based on their posting style and the nature of their posts. It's a fine art appearing active and helpful when you're mafia and these guys have had a few sentences in some of their posts that have indicated, to me, that all is not well.

So yeah, just a hunch. ~:)

Looking back over some of Sarathos' posts, i'm a bit more suspicious of him now. He isn't usually as involved as he seems to be trying to be now. Seems a bit like a mafia player trying too hard to fit in to me.

People suspect Kage because he is a good mafioso and his lack of post is spooking people.

CapoII is a horrible benchmark to measure stuff by. It is unique and I would only resort to using it as a reference if it's the only game a person has played in.

FoS: Tincow, Factionheir
While I am very interested in the contents of the full writeup, "sitting out" until it comes out is scummy.

Also FoS: Sarathos for having an unusually high number of posts and for being so thick skulled as to think me and CR getting whacked in the same night is "the mafia killing off lurkers".

Capo2 is just as good a benchmark, for the players who went fairly deep into the game, as any. Admittedly some of those who died early just faded away, and it would distort things for them.

TinCow's activity level seems to be a reversion to the baseline. I'll compare him in Taormina and Underworld (active bad guy in both) to see if he's consistent there. If so, we can provisionally label him a townie.

Sasaki may simply be busy -- or cagey -- he's a bright lad and capable of either. Plus, he's been posting often enough in the backroom to make me think he's not quite as absent as some believe.

Kommodus' explanation is very much in his style, albeit unsatisfying for this outing. Pity too, I had played the first few phases specifically to see if I could sidestep Holmes.

More thoughts later.

Edit: TinCow's other badguy big game -- Netherworld -- saw him posting at 3.0/ppp; very much in line with his mafia role in Taormina and suggestive of a non-mafioso status this time.

Sarathos was 0.54/ppp in Netherworld as a townie. Not in line with this game....

Sasaki's FoS's on TC are pretty weak. He normally provides much more analysis.

A Sasaki/TC mafia team would be quite potent. But I don't have any more evidence other than the "they are good players" reason that I tend to not like. But it might explain why Sasaki is throwing such "weak" suspicion onto TC. Could be to get us off of their scent. Again, it isn't even a hunch. Call it the tiniest of inklings...

See above comments.

Vote: Sarathos

Vote:TinCow

For a few reasons. Basically a few "convenient" posts.

I've been inactive because it's been wicked hot and muggy in my room (+ the three day road trip) and I figured I may as well see how things develop without my meddling.

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

For a few reasons. Basically a few "convenient" posts.

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Care to give examples of which of his posts you find "convenient"?

You usually present a much stronger case against people than this.

Well you can FOS me all you want and i can tell you it will only get worse, because while last weekend i was on a cruise boat trip to Tallin, tomorrow il be leaving to a rock festival for the next weekend. I am truly sorry that my vacation schedule has not been good for the game.

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Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh

Elite Ferret 21 1.5/ppp compared with 0.76 in Taormina and 0.65 in capo2

Quite a few people are posting differently than usual for them. Let's hear from them, shall we?

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That obviously proves me innocent, even though I'm dead, as I was mafia in Capo (hence the low post count) and in the middle of exams in Taormina.

The summary is up. Time to analyze it so TC and FH feel like posting again. :clown:

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Instead, he creaned his neck around and watched as the mafioso walked into the barn, whistling a merry tune.

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An extra E. I would discount this for now unless we get a hint to look for extra letters.

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Once it was done to suffiency, the mafioso stepped back (way back) and flicked the still-lit cigar onto his victim.

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The proper spelling of this word is "sufficiency" so that is an I and a C that are missing.

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