Some joyous tidings from Israel

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

Wow hooah actually wrote something right .

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way to take things out of context!

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Originally Posted by Kush

You are fairly consistent yourself, Tribes.

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yes... consistently wrong :clown:

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Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly

Intresting question for those who support over the top retaliation....

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interesting question for you which you and others who share the same ideas you do, which hasn't been answered yet: what do YOU think is an appropriate response by israel? doing nothing is out of the question, for its dumb to think that any nation would let a terrorist organization shoot rockets at them.

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Originally Posted by tibilicus

At the end of the day to all those who defend Israeli actions, why cant they just bomb the rocket launch positions instead of bombing the most densely populated piece of land on earth. You can see from the news that the militants are launching the rockets outside of the city areas and mainly on mud banks.

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dont you know that hamas changes launching sites regularly, so actually hitting one is kinda hard? a

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Originally Posted by tibilicus

You have to be kidding me right? So now your hinting towards that the UN might support terrorist organizations? Maybe they to are anti-semetic!

Damn the whole united nations and the whole world for that matter just hate Israel. God they're such victims, I turn on the t.v and just think damn, look at the suffering they're going through..

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ever heard of Resolution 3379 (which was later repealed thanks to prevalent heads :sweatdrop:)
ever heard of the Durban Conference?

btw, sarcasm is in green....

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Originally Posted by rasoforos

I 've now become a martyr for the cause. :elephant::whip:

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no. only when you are banned you become a martyr.

Also, Israel bombed two UN schools.

What, are the Hamas militants hiding there?

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Originally Posted by hooahguy

ever heard of Resolution 3379 (which was later repealed thanks to prevalent heads :sweatdrop:)
ever heard of the Durban Conference?

btw, sarcasm is in green....

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Well seeming non of your writing was in green im going to go ahead and presume what I originally though.

Also I find that resolution ridiculous, thank god it was repealed. How is Anti-Zionism racism? Isn't Zionism the idea of creating an Jewish state in Palestine? In what way would being against that be "racist"? It's like saying that I hate the idea of Japan being a country, that's not racist, saying I think white people are superior to Asian people, that would be racist.

How was that Resolution even considered? :help:

Saying the Jewish people are actually they're own race I find debatable in itself, I though being Jewish meant your part of a religion not a race.:inquisitive:

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Originally Posted by tibilicus

Well seeming non of your writing was in green im going to go ahead and presume what I originally though.

Also I find that resolution ridiculous, thank god it was repealed. How is Anti-Zionism racism? Isn't Zionism the idea of creating an Jewish state in Palestine? In what way would being against that be "racist"? It's like saying that I hate the idea of Japan being a country, that's not racist, saying I think white people are superior to Asian people, that would be racist.

How was that Resolution even considered? :help:

Saying the Jewish people are actually they're own race I find debatable in itself, I though being Jewish meant your part of a religion not a race.:inquisitive:

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when did i call the UN racist?

i think you meant "how is Zionism racism"

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Originally Posted by Hax

Also, Israel bombed two UN schools.

What, are the Hamas militants hiding there?

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as i said earlier, its war. mistakes happen. its not like, AFAIK, the schools had giant banners on all sides that read "UN"

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Originally Posted by hooahguy

when did i call the UN racist?

i think you meant "how is Zionism racism"

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Sorry was referring to an earlier post in which you said

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..and yet the UN is silent when hamas rockets fall on Israeli towns....

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Suggesting you think that Israel is some how sided with Palestine.

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Originally Posted by hooahguy

no. only when you are banned you become a martyr.

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Are you sure? Does that mean I wont be getting my 'Hamas honorary member' coasters now? :beam:

:elephant::whip:

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Originally Posted by rasoforos

Are you sure? Does that mean I wont be getting my 'Hamas honorary member' coasters now? :beam:

:elephant::whip:

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i doubt it. why dont you send them an email? :beam:
jk

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Originally Posted by hooahguy

as i said earlier, its war. mistakes happen. its not like, AFAIK, the schools had giant banners on all sides that read "UN"

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the UN provides satellite co-ordinates of its facilities to the IDF, so that isn't an excuse.

however it isn't the first time Hamas have used schools and hospitals as cover for terrorism.

Israel failing its own false ceasfire, is what this depraved episode in Israeli history will be remembered as.

The fact is that there was no real ceasfire, Gaza has been under siege for years, its people punished for finally having elected a group unwilling to bend to Western distortions of the truth and Israeli murder. Hamas is the first sign of a political mass will to end the colonial domination of a foreign invader, hell bent on a people's utter ruin, and it was a sign so abhorrent to the West that its media has almost wiped the truth of it from the face of the earth. The most dangerous sign is the constant use of the line, Hamas takeover of Gaza. The words democratic elections are washed away, allowing those in power to persecute with moral impunity (in the West) a people doing what is their's to do by right.

In term sof culture, well, all that was so magnificent about Palestine before the distaster of conquest is forgotten, left out of the picture, instead terrifying men in balaclavas take centre stage, the Ak-47 is their only tool now. Long gone from the Palestinian world are the great secular poets and universities and newspapers. Destroyed by Western Imperialism and Isreali domination. Palestine was a country and it was destroyed.

Also, forgotten is our own past of deperation and struggle, the right to self defence it seems is now reserved for us and our friends. Were the great American patriots alive today, Israel would be their Britain, a towering giant above the pitiful natives struggling for freedom. The Revolutionaries of France would be marching upon Jerusalem decrying the crimes agains man commited by this tyrant.

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Originally Posted by Furunculus

the UN provides satellite co-ordinates of its facilities to the IDF, so that isn't an excuse.

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Israel keeps going on and on about how its strikes are surgical.

Judging by the status of the building this looks quite surgical to me. It gives the message that nowhere is safe for civilians. They cannot exit Gaza, they cannot seek refuge in mosques, schools (and pretty much everywhere) because 'hamas militants might be there' so they can just die. Its terrorism as good as it gets.

Both sides engage in terrorism. To keep terrorism alive you need to make sure your enemy is angry at you, angry enough to engage in activities that will justify your own means. By targeting children Israel makes sure that, through anger, support for Hamas will be strong. A strong Hamas will, in turn, allow Israel to justify its own atrocities as necessary.

Both Hamas and the Israeli government gain massive popular support by being heavy handed and unwilling to negotiate. They will both emerge victorious for not giving up to the 'enemy'. Heroic even. And with a 'valid' reason to continue their terror agendas.

...and of course 1000 or so dead Palestinians helps to keep their numbers low. They do it with kangaroos in Australia and with elephants in Africa so its cool.

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....and yet the UN is silent when hamas rockets fall on israeli towns....

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What planet do you live on ?

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as i said earlier, its war. mistakes happen. its not like, AFAIK, the schools had giant banners on all sides that read "UN"

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errrrr...obviously a planet very far away . The schools did have a bloody big UN banner and as Furunculus said the IDF was aware that they were UN buildings .
Its just the usual case of the IDF using UN flags for target practice .

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way to take things out of context!

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Oh . My humblest apologies , obviously when that is put in context you are of course wrong again .

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Also, Israel bombed two UN schools.

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So thats two to add to the American school , the University and the education ministry , that IDF really has a thing about education doesn't it .

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Originally Posted by rasoforos

...and of course 1000 or so dead Palestinians helps to keep their numbers low. They do it with kangaroos in Australia and with elephants in Africa so its cool.

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that is a ridiculous statement.

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Originally Posted by Bopa the Magyar

The fact is that there was no real ceasfire, Gaza has been under siege for years, its people punished for finally having elected a group unwilling to bend to Western distortions of the truth and Israeli murder. Hamas is the first sign of a political mass will to end the colonial domination of a foreign invader, hell bent on a people's utter ruin, and it was a sign so abhorrent to the West that its media has almost wiped the truth of it from the face of the earth. The most dangerous sign is the constant use of the line, Hamas takeover of Gaza. The words democratic elections are washed away, allowing those in power to persecute with moral impunity (in the West) a people doing what is their's to do by right.

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oh i am deeply aware that Hamas were voted in.

what i have a distinct feeling for is living with the consequences on ones actions, and voting in a ruling 'party' whose agenda is the destruction of your neighbouring 'superpower' is a deeply stupid thing to do.

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Originally Posted by Furunculus

the UN provides satellite co-ordinates of its facilities to the IDF, so that isn't an excuse.

however it isn't the first time Hamas have used schools and hospitals as cover for terrorism.

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ok then, i guess i was wrong about the banenr part.

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Originally Posted by Furunculus

that is a ridiculous statement.

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Well spotted!!!

You ve seen through my deception and now my evil plan is foiled. My Hamas masters will never forgive me. :embarassed:

Its supposed to be ridiculous. It is an attempt on sarcasm. And a ridiculous situation can only be described with sarcasm for the reality of it is too grim to describe. The point though remains that in a population of 1.5 million about one in a thousand people will be killed or left disabled before this ends. It does keep their numbers down. However Israel should do better than that or else their population will bounce back.

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So now your hinting towards that the UN might support terrorist organizations?

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Hooah was simply pointing out that there is no international outrage about Hamas firing rockets/mortars into Israel, which is far from saying that the UN fully supports Hamas in every step. While the rockets/mortars aren't as destructive as the Israeli air force strikes, does that mean that the rocket/mortar attacks are acceptable? No, it's not acceptable.

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Long gone from the Palestinian world are the great secular poets and universities and newspapers. Destroyed by Western Imperialism and Isreali domination. Palestine was a country and it was destroyed.

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Palestine before "Western Imperialism" was a desert that was controlled by the Ottomans. Hardly a spectacular world. The Palestinians themselves lived lives that were mostly nomadic and had a lower life expectancy than many other populations at the time. With the "Western Imperialism" Palestinians had better chances of surviving childhood diseases and living longer lives as a whole. While that isn't to say Israel was made of angels flying on golden horses, they did improve the Palestinian condition.
That doesn't excuse the past or current treatment of Palestinians. Palestine was a wash-up after the Crusades and the local caliphates submitted to the Ottoman yoke.

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Originally Posted by rasoforos

Well spotted!!!

You ve seen through my deception and now my evil plan is foiled. My Hamas masters will never forgive me. :embarassed:

Its supposed to be ridiculous. It is an attempt on sarcasm. And a ridiculous situation can only be described with sarcasm for the reality of it is too grim to describe. The point though remains that in a population of 1.5 million about one in a thousand people will be killed or left disabled before this ends. It does keep their numbers down. However Israel should do better than that or else their population will bounce back.

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no, it is just a ridiculous statement, that is all.

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Hooah was simply pointing out that there is no international outrage about Hamas firing rockets/mortars into Israel

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Which as usual happens to be complete bollox .
Some people have this selective deafness so that when people and governments condemn Hamas Islamic Jihad or Fatah they can't hear it at all , and when Palestinian groups and Israel are both condemned they only hear the bit about Israel .
Some doctors think the selective deafness is an inner ear defect , a sign of which is the complete lack of balance .

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Originally Posted by Andres

Why do people always get so upset by this subject? And why do people feel like they have to pick sides in this conflict?

Both parties have committed attrocities and in a way, you could say they act like children who refuse to grow up.

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Oh I completely agree and mentioned it some pages ago but it doesn't really fit with the usual "us vs. them" kind of tribal thinking we still find in the "enlightened" west. If it helps in any way, my guess is that tribesman has a similar stance but noone notices because he is always "them" anyway. :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:

There were one or two others but the voices of reason are too often drowned by the waves of "Kill them!"-shouters, which shows that in a way this forum is just like the middle east. :eyebrows:

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

Some people have this selective deafness so that when people and governments condemn Hamas Islamic Jihad or Fatah they can't hear it at all

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Is the media the one with the selective deafness then?

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

Which as usual happens to be complete bollox .
Some people have this selective deafness so that when people and governments condemn Hamas Islamic Jihad or Fatah they can't hear it at all , and when Palestinian groups and Israel are both condemned they only hear the bit about Israel .
Some doctors think the selective deafness is an inner ear defect , a sign of which is the complete lack of balance .

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actually i really am deaf in my right ear, but w/e.

about people not really caring when hamas shoots rockets into israel-
you say its bollox, but you know its true. israel is really only in the news, at least where i live, when it is attacking. i rarely see it when hamas is attacking. in fact, this thread proves it. this thread was about israels agression into gaza, but where is the thread about hamas shooting rockets?

So any got an opinion the proposed "ceasefire"?

i just want to know if it would hold. would be overjoyed if it did.

If they lifted economic sanctions on Gaza that would be a huge step forward in the peace process.

If they didn't I will be extremely disappointed as it will be back at square one 2 years down the line.

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Originally Posted by tibilicus

If they lifted economic sanctions on Gaza that would be a huge step forward in the peace process.

If they didn't I will be extremely disappointed as it will be back at square one 2 years down the line.

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Well all these reasonable solutions kinda are based on the idea of Israel being the agressor, but that is a bit old fashioned.

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Originally Posted by tibilicus

If they lifted economic sanctions on Gaza that would be a huge step forward in the peace process.

If they didn't I will be extremely disappointed as it will be back at square one 2 years down the line.

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im assuming they would if hamas would stop launching rockets.

700 Palestinians dead - 220 of which are children.

10 Israeli dead

This isn't a war. This is a massacre and a crime.

Hamas are dicks for the rocket attacks - but the response is disproportionate, brutal and criminal.