The Will of the Senate - out of character thread II

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Originally Posted by TinCow

Must... Kill... Gauls!

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Must... protect innocent Gauls!

Or maybe we can compromise. How about, you can kill the men, half of the children, and the ugly women, but have to leave the rest alone? Seems fair. :laugh4:

As far as the trial goes, I'm fine with the Consul picking a Prateor. We already have a defense, so we just need someone to volunteer to be the prosecutor, and we'd be ready to start. The only vote I think we should perhaps maybe have is a guilty/not during a regular voting session (mid- or end-term), and in the case the verdict is guilty, the Praetor would decide on a punishment himself.

Hey I like that idea. *Gladly accepts the tital of Homeland Security Captain and Rome Garrison Commander, General Servius*

It is legitimately somewhat pointless for characters with the Student trait to fight, since they cannot gain any combat traits. econ21 is an exception to the youth combat rule simply because he is not a Student. That said, killing rebels is perfectly acceptable... just don't go risking your neck because you can't benefit from it anyway.

Doesn't going into the field make a Discipulus advance to become a Tribunus Militum?

EDIT: Wow, this is unsettling. When TinCow mentioned it, I noticed that in my campaign, the same pair of portraits (his and MS's) were Legate and Tribune in my campaign.

I don't think they instantly become Tribunes, but I am certainly wrong in what I said. I just read the trait FAQ in the Library again.

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Student (Discipulus)
- A character who is acquired via the "Coming of Age" event, being only 16 years old, will begin his formal education and personal combat training as a Student. After spending 4 years as a student, he will be eligible to enter military service as a Tribune.
- During his 4 years of formal education and personal combat training, to make the best use of this time, a character should travel to Roma, or the nearest city, and take up residence until he is 20 years old. A city with a Scriptorium, or higher level of eductional building, would be an ideal residence for a Student, so he can take advantage of the increased chances of acquiring useful character traits and ancillaries.
- An alternative, would be to accompany an older relative who is currently serving in the Roman Army. He will not benefit from any increased command bonuses, but may gain military skills, though he will have a higher chance of acquiring the less savory traits of military life. His best choice would be formal schooling in the nearest city.
- In extreme circumstances, he can still lead military forces, but due to his lack of experience, he will not gain any command bonuses.

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So, you can get combat traits, but not command bonuses.

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Originally Posted by FLYdude

Must... protect innocent Gauls!

Or maybe we can compromise. How about, you can kill the men, half of the children, and the ugly women, but have to leave the rest alone? Seems fair. :laugh4:

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I have a feeling my next character will have something like the 'Terrified by Barbarians' trait. That would be amusing. I would actually kind of like to play a 'hooting' or somewhat similarly colorful character. The 'Drunken' or 'Foul Mouthed' line would be interesting as well.

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Originally Posted by econ21

. It's like what people say about us Yorkshiremen; Yorkshire born and Yorkshire bred - strong in the back and thick in the 'ead.

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Or as my dad likes to say "you can always tell a yorkie but you can't tell him much" :laugh4: :laugh4:

Regarding the trial, I assume we will have a separate thread for that once it starts? Do the jurors get to discuss the case? Or is just a case of hearing the prosecution and the defense and then voting guilty/not guilty?

Happy to be Judge in the Trial. To be honest I'm happy for us to just RP the initial proceedings (pleas from both camps) and then I can open a poll for voting on Guilt.

By that time I'll think of several options to put to the Senate - not just "Guilty" or "Innocent" which implicate certain levels of guilt.

Yup! He'll have a fair trial and once we've found him guilty I'll hand down an appropriate judgement based on the LEVEL of guilt the Senate says he has. :laugh4:

Could be anything from the loss of some ancilleries and thus loss of some "influence" for being "not really to blame but he was there and officially in charge so we have to blame someone" right upto the stripping of titles, banishment to our (now chosen) backwater province as well as a Pennance trip via several Academies for "you cowardly swine you RAN and left your men to die in the mud at the ford".

Obviously with several options between.

Currently there is a Vote on a Motion for an investigation. After this has been Passed (if it gets passed) I'll set this all up on a seperate thread. Initially a Trial Thread to which I think we should carry for a few days and then a Voting thread with the Poll on it.

I think that the best way on this is to make sure we have a Verdict before the Mid-Term session so that the Consul has a chance to start the punishment in-game.

Comments Please!

In Other News: My PC now works! Whilst I havent tried a game in it, everything else appears to be functioning so I'm on my way to becoming a lower house member - will try to do all the downloads at the weekend. :2thumbsup:

Good ideas on the trial, Braden. :2thumbsup: I'm wondering if it would be possible to coordinate a real time at which to conduct some sessions of the trial? So those involved could gather together and alternately post in a concentrated manner? Or even do the Q&A in a chat room? If that's too hard, the judge might be able to solicit initial representations by PM and then post them in an organised fashion, so remaining cross examination can be more leisurely and forensic.

BTW, am I right in thinking that Manius the Mad was present at the battle of Massilia? Wouldn't he be a wonderful witness to have on the stand? In fact, he might have had more than a little to do with the debacle... Destroyer of Hope is not active, but maybe someone would like to take on his part in the trial?

Let me know about the Lower House switch. I'm holding on to one avatar for just such an occasion.

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Originally Posted by Braden

In Other News: My PC now works! Whilst I havent tried a game in it, everything else appears to be functioning so I'm on my way to becoming a lower house member - will try to do all the downloads at the weekend. :2thumbsup:

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That's excellent news. We need all the lower house senators we can get. There is still an avatar available according to the library.
I wish you luck as judge in the upcoming trial. I am undecided which way my character will lean. Publius did save the life of my son Manius during the battle, so I'll probably end up as a witness for the defense. Now all we need is a nasty prosecutor :laugh4:

Econ21 – I don’t think that a “real time” get together is possible considering the differing time-zones the players occupy, but I’m willing to receive “solicitations” by the Senators via PM (note to self – empty in-box) and collate them in a summary fashion.

Having said that, our Senate Deliberations thread is quite coherent despite all the potential problems involved in getting a cohesive discussion going given the OOC problems involved. So, I have hopes that the normal discussion thread will be ok but I’ll go with whatever the majority feels is fairer to them.

…Oh….Manius the Mad as a witness! How am I drooling over that one, if no one else wants to RP him I’m more than happy to take THAT on! (trust me the account will be unbias, concise and UTTERLY raving – :dizzy2: – think of Terry Gillian as the Sooth Sayer in Life of Brian).

Plans for Becoming a lower house member:

Need to download all the mods.
Get them to work on a save game.
Play a little bit so I know how the mechanics of the game work
Its been a few months since I’ve played Rome in any form so I need some practice!

I have next week off work so will try and get all that out the way then…..

You and I both Lucius, Manius the mad may well be your son, but I have the wonderful luxury of being HIS son...

So it looks like grandpa and grandson are going to have to put their heads together to try to pull the black sheep of the family out of some deep s***.

Lucjan, respect your elders! Need I remind you that you share half his genes? ~;p :laugh4:

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Originally Posted by TinCow

It is legitimately somewhat pointless for characters with the Student trait to fight, since they cannot gain any combat traits. econ21 is an exception to the youth combat rule simply because he is not a Student. That said, killing rebels is perfectly acceptable... just don't go risking your neck because you can't benefit from it anyway.

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Excuse me? Legitimately pointless?

Fighting battles is fun, whether I get any trait or anciliarial benefit or not, it's the fact that I got to fight. I don't think that's pointless. :inquisitive:

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Originally Posted by Tiberius

Lucjan, respect your elders! Need I remind you that you share half his genes? ~;p :laugh4:

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This is true, but luckily I managed to score the "Not like his father" trait. So hopefully I don't need to worry about my father's madness creeping into my behavior. :dizzy2:

You're denying some other bloke a chance to increase star and wreath count though, which is probably what TinCow's on about.

Everybody is open to voicing their opinion, thats the point of the game and the point of the senate system. If someone else thinks they're more qualified they can speak up. I don't see why the issue is apparently causing such a problem. It's a game, just play and have fun. I'm in a position right now where for the next 4 game years I'll be sitting around doing not a whole heck of alot of anything incredibly productive as a student in Rome. But I'm still putting my voice out there on issues you guys are raising.

You wouldn't be denying anyone anything by being in command of an army as a student. We do not have a surplus of lower house generals. If anything, we have somewhat of a severe shortage.

That said, in-character, being a highly ranked member of the army, students will command troops over my dead body! :laugh4:

Lucjan,

With all the troops away and me squeezing the population for taxes, the chance of a decent legion-sized rebellion (or two or three) will be quite high. With no other lower house members around they are practically in your pocket. The same goes for Wonderland. If you are really fortunate, the Carthagians will pull of a naval invasion in Italy or Sicily :laugh4:

GeneralHankerchief has first shot at the rebels near Rome, but surely you will not begrudge him just 81 rebels ?

EDIT : By the way, any toughts on the trial ? Same goes for all the Aemilia.

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Originally Posted by Death the destroyer of worlds

By the way, any toughts on the trial ?

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From what TinCow was saying, the procedure should begin with you appointing the Praetor. Here, I think it partly depends on how involved you personally want to be during the trial. If you do want to be hands on, I am wondering if the most suitable role for the First Consul would be as the judge; that would free up Braden for another role. Aternatively, if you want to get on with playing the game, it might be best to delegate that role to someone else - Braden being the one volunteer we have.

The judge can open a thread devoted to it and collect together material from the prosecution, defence and witnesses as he sees fit. TinCow might help advise on procedure. IIRC, we need a prosecutor - would the co-Consul be available? Or do we have any other volunteers - eg who spoke against Laevinus in the Senate? Any volunteers to act out the part of Manius the mad?

Oh I have no doubt that I'll be seeing my fair share of the gameplay, I've seen the save game file, I know how short handed we are. It just seems that some people are getting a little worked up over it, and I don't understand why...

Whatever, live and let live, unless you're a gaul, then we'll have to kill you.

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Originally Posted by econ21

From what TinCow was saying, the procedure should begin with you appointing the Praetor. Here, I think it partly depends on how involved you personally want to be during the trial. If you do want to be hands on, I am wondering if the most suitable role for the First Consul would be as the judge; that would free up Braden for another role. Aternatively, if you want to get on with playing the game, it might be best to delegate that role to someone else - Braden being the one volunteer we have.

The judge can open a thread devoted to it and collect together material from the prosecution, defence and witnesses as he sees fit. TinCow might help advise on procedure. IIRC, we need a prosecutor - would the co-Consul be available? Or do we have any other volunteers - eg who spoke against Laevinus in the Senate? Any volunteers to act out the part of Manius the mad?

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I'm sure TinCow or someone else already knows this, but just in case... for RP sake, whoever is the Praetor or judge for this can have the trait attributed to him manually. I just discovered it by accident when I wanted to give a character a general trait but I have him the Praetor one, and it's exactly what's needed for this case. :2thumbsup:

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Another quick gameplay question if I may. Does is show anywhere in-game the Legion names, like the Victrix or Gallica or whatnot? I'm just curious where you guys got the names for them in the in-character boards and stuff.

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Originally Posted by Lucjan

I'm in a position right now where for the next 4 game years I'll be sitting around doing not a whole heck of alot of anything incredibly productive as a student in Rome.

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Actually, with a bit of luck you'll pick up some nice anciliaries from the scriptorium in Rome. I think I got architect and siege engineer.

Simon - Braden said earlier they were willing to be Manius the Mad. As for playing prosecutor, I think there were some senate members who showed a much more vigorous appetite for taking down the guilty - er, I mean the accused ~;)

Happy to play both Praetor AND Manius if its required; quite experienced at playing multiple characters both for my normal LRP and on-line RP games. Well get the First Consul(s) to choose Praetor – from a gameplay side, it should be a character with a Generals Avatar so they can have the title added and we’ll get started.

Whilst I haven’t been able to download the required zip files yet – can someone please give me a brief on the battle at the ford?

Was it a night-time battle?
Number of enemy forces, basic composition?
Composition of the Legion just prior to the battle (actually that should be in the library shouldn’t it?)?

This info is for Manius really – all madness-driven ravings are based on a grain of reality.

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Originally Posted by Wonderland

I'm sure TinCow or someone else already knows this, but just in case... for RP sake, whoever is the Praetor or judge for this can have the trait attributed to him manually. I just discovered it by accident when I wanted to give a character a general trait but I have him the Praetor one, and it's exactly what's needed for this case. :2thumbsup:

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Another quick gameplay question if I may. Does is show anywhere in-game the Legion names, like the Victrix or Gallica or whatnot? I'm just curious where you guys got the names for them in the in-character boards and stuff.

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Decius Curtis cannot get this trait as he is a spy and the game mechanics will not allow it.
On another issue, we could add the general trait manually, but I must strongly advise against this, as this might causes savegame problems.

Not in-game. There has been a long discussion about the Legion names and they are stored in the library. See wikipedia for a good source on the 'historical' legions. You can propose motion for name changes for legions based on their in-game achievements.

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Originally Posted by Death the destroyer of worlds

Decius Curtis cannot get this trait as he is a spy and the game mechanics will not allow it.
On another issue, we could add the general trait manually, but I must strongly advise against this, as this might causes savegame problems.

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Ah, didn't know he was a spy. Well the trait should be given to someone for RP's sake anyhoo. I'm not sure what you mean about the general trait, but I was referring to a campaign of my own I'm playing, so no worries about save-game problems. I was just saying that the Praetor trait and General trait are in fact different in the game.

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Originally Posted by Death the destroyer of worlds

Not in-game. There has been a long discussion about the Legion names and they are stored in the library. See wikipedia for a good source on the 'historical' legions. You can propose motion for name changes for legions based on their in-game achievements.

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Oh, I see, thanks.

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Originally Posted by Braden

Whilst I haven’t been able to download the required zip files yet – can someone please give me a brief on the battle at the ford?
Was it a night-time battle?
Number of enemy forces, basic composition?
Composition of the Legion just prior to the battle (actually that should be in the library shouldn’t it?)?

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All public details concerning the battle can be found in the first consul report of FLYdude
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...9&postcount=15
He might be able to answer any additional questions. As the battle was autoresolved you are at liberty to make up any story you want about what 'really' happened.
Someone should be able to figure out exactly which savegame this concerns, download it, and provide you with all the relevant army composition information.

This thread is getting rather long, so I am going to lock it and start a new one. Apparently, your computer loads up the whole of a thread when you click on it and so keeping threads small might reduce slow downs; the Org is not speedy at the best of times.