Graffiti Mafia [Concluded]

Aye, that's how it is people.

Just for reference, two PM's I sent in, this was the round Ituralde was protected.

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Datum : 2007-01-08 14:10
Titel : Re: Masons
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i think we shouldnt protect the Veterans anymore unless we can be sure they are clean - most of them will continue to post if they are killed anyway and theres a good chance at least a few of them are mafia

i will protect Ituralde

as to the graffiti - im not really sure waht we can write that will help the town...

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Originally Posted by Dutch_guy

Whom shall we protect now ? Seems to be quite random, as we don't know a whole lot yet...

I'd say we simply pick a couple, less active, players to protect - as the mafia 'll likely kill them first. As active players tend to atract more suspicion to themselves.

I'm going to protect Masy, and you two may decide whom you'd like to save.

Also, there's the matter of the Writings on the wall, let's discuss that ASAP.

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And this one, the PM I sent to Sasaki

[QUOTE]Datum : 2007-01-08 22:47
Titel : Re: Mafia, masons
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Originally Posted by Dutch_guy

This is the message for the townies:

''Townies, fear not for we are doing our best to rid you of this evil ! Feel free to call these numbers, anytime:
0800 2664 6662368 or, if that line is busy 0800 9275 87837. We are here to help, we must work together !''

These are to be protected;

Masy

Ituralde

JimBoB (assuming Warluster hasn't sent in anything, that is*)

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These are but two PM's, which I saved on my hard drive, that back up Moody's claim.

That said, let me provide some backing on the encrypted numbers, as I thought that up:

As Masons we were tasked with protecting (not finding !) the mafia. Each night we'd be able to protect one townie, one by each mason.
We also had the power to spray paint graffiti on the wall, and what to write was entirely up to us. And that was harder than it seemed...

One can imagine that giving the town information, which you don't have, is harder than it seems. What can we possibly give the town which they couldn't get for themselves ? We were not able to confirm anyone but ourselves, and the dead, innocent but we could however try luring the mafia out. By giving them names, and protecting them afterwards - thus stalling their progress.

However, then the mafia 'd have to actually be able to break the codes. So it had to be clear enough to seem meaningless, but interesting enough to try and break. Since I assumed everyone 'd be familiar with Text messaging, I thought I'd go for that.

The second round I encrypted Sir Boo is innocent, and warluster. With the specific order to call the numbers. Few, however, caught on. A lot publicly stated they didn't get enough information. Not knowing we couldn't give them anything they'd possibly want to know, other than who we protected. Plus, the chances were high the posted info would fall into the wrong hands. Also, we didn't want to publicly argue about our seemingly useless info, for fear of seeming to protective.

The next round, some people (Sigurd and Seamus in particular) hinted at having broken the code. This was at the time Sigurd contacted Boo. Congrats Sigurd, you were fast. The fastest as a matter of fact. However, that night Warluster was killed. Sad, since he was a mason, but he died giving us the needed information. Namely that the mafioso had also figured out the code, and would pay more attention to it in later rounds. They did, and it didn't work for them at all. As we thwarted them a couple of times, giving the townies more chances to pull this off.

A few rounds past without any particular disturbing events, Moody and I corresponded, and (amongst other things) decided that if one of us would die - he was especially fearful since Kommodus attacked him - he would reveal and state what we knew, for all to hear.

However, then Seamus started the wagon which would eventually kill me. Sad, since the townies apparently wanted me dead ASAP. I was doomed, and unable to defend myself, in less than an hour. Well played, mafia, well played. Sadder it was, however, that I had successfully been able to lay low, and not attract that much attention to myself. A fact which has helped me numerous times, and at the same time tends to be a perfect excuse to kill me.

Finding the mafia was never our meaning, and thus we couldn't be of any extra help to the town in that regard. A shame, but that's the game.
That said, Seamus has been on my list for quite a while now - he just doesn't seem like himself. A thought which I couldn't quite surpres even after my death. The General only acted in a not-so-normal manner when people started to accuse him, he seemed to love his life more than any other villager previously executed. Which isn't that suspicious per sé, but it didn't quite come out the way I expected it too. Sounds weird, yes, but that's how it seemed to me.

Well, I guess that's it for now. Any questions, which don't require a screenie to answer are welcome..

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Originally Posted by Sir Moody

i expect im going to have komm debunking this as soon as its posted

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Your wish is granted! Though I didn't expect you to make it this easy for me... I guess Reenk's advice holds true: have faith in the stupidity of the mafia.

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Originally Posted by Sir Moody

The first night we were of course limmited by a complete lack of clues - we basically had to just pick at random who to protect and so we decided we would save those of most use to the town

I protected General Hankerchief (ironic), Dutch_Guy and Warluster protected Kommodus and Seamus - we were close the Mafia targeted Sigurd and a New player

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Mistake #1: Kagemusha and Caius (a somewhat new player) were targeted.

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Originally Posted by Sir Moody

I took a leap of faith and had a go at following the mafias pattern - Dutch_Guy defended my brother while i defended someone newish(Itrulde) and Warluster protected a veteran(not sure who).

Dutch_guy wrote the graffiti using a telephone code he thought would be broken quickly - more fool us i guess.

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Mistake #2: So apparently the masons decided to identify one of their own in their first message, using a code they knew would be easily broken? I doubt it. More likely they used the opportunity to identify an innocent player.

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Originally Posted by Sir Moody

As we now know thanks to timmy this paid off someone tried to kill Itrulde and i blocked it - result only 1 death (kage)

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Mistake #3: (Related to mistake #1) It was Sigurd who died this round. Story's looking a little worse for wear, I'm afraid.

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Originally Posted by Sir Moody

well we messed up not only does the message not say what he wanted too but we let my brother die(he wasnt very happy)

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Mistake #4: Ah yes, the last real masonic message doesn't fit with the rest of your story (as I pointed out), so you try to invalidate it. I have to ask: why would you claim only one left when it was false? Lying is better suited to mafia than masons.

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Originally Posted by Sir Moody

Sigurd has been helping since the 3rd round and we let him in on who we were - while he may be fudging the codes somewhat he is telling the truth and has been helping us

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Mistake #5: Enlisting someone who has repeatedly lied and gotten it wrong (deliberately or otherwise) to support your case. Not what I would do if I were mafia, buddy.

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Originally Posted by Sir Moody

hopefully dutch_guy, warluster and seamus can lend me their versions and we can see im telling the truth

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Mistake #6: You know as well as the rest of us that it's against the rules for a dead person to reveal their role.

Those are the obvious mistakes. I didn't mention the fact that I consider it a bit unlikely that Sasaki would give all the masons the same role, because that's a subjective judgement.

Anyway, looks to me like a botched reveal. However, if anyone isn't sure, I'm fine with being lynched along with Sir Moody, following the townie-role-for-a-mafia-is-a-good-trade rule. My role isn't worth that much anymore, since the mafia know it's risky to attack me.

Good luck, guys! :2thumbsup:

EDIT: For broken quote tags; also, I was typing this while Dutch_guy was posting. Hm, I'll have to take a look at that...

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Mistake #1: Kagemusha and Caius (a somewhat new player) were targeted.

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oh im so sorry komm i swaped two kills around by accident - it doesnt matter much does it? we failed to protect them they died

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Mistake #4: Ah yes, the last real masonic message doesn't fit with the rest of your story (as I pointed out), so you try to invalidate it. I have to ask: why would you claim only one left when it was false? Lying is better suited to mafia than masons.

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dont ask me i didnt have anything to do with it Dutch_Guys PM's tells me all i knew about it - i gave the pm ask him

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Mistake #5: Enlisting someone who has repeatedly lied and gotten it wrong (deliberately or otherwise) to support your case. Not what I would do if I were mafia, buddy.

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we enlisted him as you and you buddies killed him thus he was a confirmed innocent - we needed as many people as we could get to convince people - anwser me this why would someone you want to belive i killed help us?

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Mistake #6: You know as well as the rest of us that it's against the rules for a dead person to reveal their role.

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they havent revealed - i revealed them - im alive they are dead as far as i know i dont have to remove their names and since i have revelaed them this isnt a problem - if sasaki tells me otherwise ill remove the PM's

your basic defence is pretty lame Komm cant you come up withsome mystical maths to help you?

Vote Kommodus

I'm merely going to confine myself to some questions, as Moody (I'm sure) knows how to answer those best. However, a couple are just a bit far fetched:

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Mistake #4: Ah yes, the last real masonic message doesn't fit with the rest of your story (as I pointed out), so you try to invalidate it. I have to ask: why would you claim only one left when it was false? Lying is better suited to mafia than masons.

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Are you referring to the justone(1)ofusleft message ? That was done to confuse the mafia, lulling them into a false sense of security. Hey, we all know how Disco can get. Also, we needless to say didn't expect the town to lynch me. Actually making the statement true.

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Mistake #5: Enlisting someone who has repeatedly lied and gotten it wrong (deliberately or otherwise) to support your case. Not what I would do if I were mafia, buddy.

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His lies were all ruse. Example, when he attacked you about your suposed name in the numbers, he was faking it. I PM'ed him actually asking him if he understood what he was doing, he was, he said. So, no, it may not be what the mafia would do. But hey, we aren't exactly mafia now are we.

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Mistake #6: You know as well as the rest of us that it's against the rules for a dead person to reveal their role.

Those are the obvious mistakes. I didn't mention the fact that I consider it a bit unlikely that Sasaki would give all the masons the same role, because that's a subjective judgement.

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I am allowed to reveal, posting PM's is not forbidden. Posting screenies is, a thing which we haven't done - and we won't need. If the town believes me, is another matter entirely. If I'm mistaken, Sasaki, then I'm terribly sorry. And feel free to delete the post. However, such a reveal (especially after being lynched !) doesn't mean a thing if the town doesn't believe me, which is something they have to decide for themselves ! Were I killed, then you might argue it to be illegal - as I'd be a confirmed innocent. A thing which I'm not.

Also, consider it as unlikely as you'd like, Sasaki did as the PM stated.

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Anyway, looks to me like a botched reveal. However, if anyone isn't sure, I'm fine with being lynched along with Sir Moody, following the townie-role-for-a-mafia-is-a-good-trade rule. My role isn't worth that much anymore, since the mafia know it's risky to attack me.

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Same here, a mafioso for a townie is a good trade off. Didn't expect you to actually admit to be one, though. Oh well, as Reenk said have faith in the stupidity of the mafia.

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Originally Posted by Sir Moody

oh im so sorry komm i swaped two kills around by accident - it doesnt matter much does it? we failed to protect them they died

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Accident? Obviously, but that sort of thing tends to happen when you're making up your story on the fly. That's exactly what happened to GH in GFII. A real mason, keeping track of things that have happened during the game, would be more likely to get it right.

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Originally Posted by Sir Moody

we enlisted him as you and you buddies killed him thus he was a confirmed innocent - we needed as many people as we could get to convince people - anwser me this why would someone you want to belive i killed help us?

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Already answered much earlier. He probably had a mafia support role, only you killed him because you didn't know his identity and viewed him as a threat.

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Originally Posted by Sir Moody

they havent revealed - i revealed them - im alive they are dead as far as i know i dont have to remove their names and since i have revelaed them this isnt a problem - if sasaki tells me otherwise ill remove the PM's

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Oops again - see above for Dutch_guy's post-mortem claim.

And what's this with Dutch_guy supposedly "breaking" a known rule against post-mortem role-claims? Come to think of it, why wasn't that rule included in the PM you "quoted" from Sasaki?

Could it be because, um, Sasaki didn't write it?

As Seamus and others pointed out, Dutch_guy was a bit suspicious. I personally didn't think he was guilty, but now... is it possible, perhaps, that he had another mafia support role? There are at least a couple of non-mason pro-town roles, leading me to suspect for some time that there were multiple pro-mafia roles as well. That scenario makes more sense to me, since Dutch_guy would only be falsely claiming a role after death.

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Originally Posted by Dutch_guy

Are you referring to the justone(1)ofusleft message ? That was done to confuse the mafia, lulling them into a false sense of security. Hey, we all know how Disco can get.

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Originally Posted by Dutch_guy

His lies were all ruse. Example, when he attacked you about your suposed name in the numbers, he was faking it. I PM'ed him actually asking him if he understood what he was doing, he was, he said.

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Um... just how many of your side's lies are you going to claim as "ruses?" I thought by now we'd established the fact that for the townie side, honesty is the best policy. Those caught lying and later claiming "it was all a ruse!" have nearly always been mafia. Reference, again, GH in GFII and Reenk in Mafia V.

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Originally Posted by Dutch_guy

Also, consider it as unlikely as you'd like, Sasaki did as the PM stated.

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Hm... an unlikely interpretation, at best, of the following statement:

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

There will be 3 masons, each with a special power.

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Sheesh, guys... it boggles the mind... :dizzy2:

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Accident? Obviously, but that sort of thing tends to happen when you're making up your story on the fly. That's exactly what happened to GH in GFII. A real mason, keeping track of things that have happened during the game, would be more likely to get it right.

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A real mason is but a human being, with school, work, RL, and other such things which tend to sap the already scarce time off your hands have indeed attributed to the lack of a 'log' of some sort. That said, I did save all the PM's sent, and received to my hard drive. Not taking those now in my box into account. I can, of course post some ? Or Moody can, for that matter.

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Already answered much earlier. He probably had a mafia support role, only you killed him because you didn't know his identity and viewed him as a threat.

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Ah, a mafia support role...

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Sure, nice theory there Kommodus. So we first killed him, then used Boo as an in between (an innocent, confirmed) to then kill of our own man (Warluster), a thing which isn't possible, to eventually make amends with Sigurd...

Not much of a theory, now is it.

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Oops again - see above for Dutch_guy's post-mortem claim.

And what's this with Dutch_guy supposedly "breaking" a known rule against post-mortem role-claims? Come to think of it, why wasn't that rule included in the PM you "quoted" from Sasaki?

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I can claim all I like, it is, after all a mere claim nothing conclusive (as you're doing your best to point out). The town have their PM's, and are at the moment deciding whom to lynch, I believe they'll make the correct choice now.

Could it be because, um, Sasaki didn't write it?

As Seamus and others pointed out, Dutch_guy was a bit suspicious. I personally didn't think he was guilty, but now... is it possible, perhaps, that he had another mafia support role? There are at least a couple of non-mason pro-town roles, leading me to suspect for some time that there were multiple pro-mafia roles as well. That scenario makes more sense to me, since Dutch_guy would only be falsely claiming a role after death.

He did write it, it fits his posting style - that much is clear at least.

Well, Seamus is still in the game, an interesting fact on its own. I still fail to see how me acting the same as every other game is suspicious, especially considering my clean record in the past games. You were, as a matter of fact, right. I am not guilty ( as I've proven already), and no, I do not have a mafia supporting role...and I am not falsely claiming.

You do, however, realise that simply guessing at hidden roles doesn't help your case - at all ?

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Sorry to say this Kommodus but I know better. Sir Moody's claim is valid. What Moody and Dutch just told pretty much filled the gaps in my knowledge and they fit perfectly in with what I've previously found out. You're undermining your own credibility by trying to dispute the claim. I was going to vote for Seamus this round, but after seeing this there is no doubt in my mind about your guilt.

Vote: Kommodus

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Originally Posted by AggonyDuck

Sorry to say this Kommodus but I know better. Sir Moody's claim is valid.

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Um, can I ask what makes you so sure of this?

C'mon people, think. In round 3, I got a "Little Timmy" message indicating any night actions could only be performed on Sir Boo or discovery1. There were two deaths, neither of which were Sir Boo.

I'm not mafia.

When someone reveals another Kung-Fu/Explosive's expert role I guess we've found our final mafioso.

Vote:Kommodus

Sorry I didn't trust you Dutch_Guy just didn't think. After I voted for you later that night I thought about it and you were acting suspiciously like a Doctor or Detective even if it's your normal posting style still.

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Sorry to say this Kommodus but I know better.

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How?

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Sir Moody's claim is valid. What Moody and Dutch just told pretty much filled the gaps in my knowledge and they fit perfectly in with what I've previously found out.

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You wish to lay that out for us or are you just bsing us? I'm not going to take your word for it.

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was going to vote for Seamus this round

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Why? Did your attempted hit on him last night fail? Want to finish your business?

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I sent discovery1 and Seamus to Aggony Duck.

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Either the mafia targeted Seamus or me apparently. And there is enough inconsistency in Aggony's post. He's also is far too confident.

Vote: Aggony Duck

Masons, contact me. We can work together on this

Interesting developments... Kommodus has been looking suspicious since his apparently phony reveal while Moody's reveal seems too well orchestrated to be fake.

Vote: Kommodus

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Originally Posted by Kommodus

For the love, Sigurd, pay attention! Mistakes, omissions, and deliberate lies - we've seen 'em all before. Most notably from mafiosi in past games such as GeneralHankerchief in GFII and Reenk Roink in Mafia V. They all claimed to have good reasons for it.

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You are of course right... Sorry... I honestly didn't catch that last post by JimBob.

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The reality: it's just harder to keep everything consistent when you're lying than when you're telling the truth. :no:

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:laugh4: ... It seems for me it is the other way around.
I need to pay more attention to the game whilst being a townie.

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Originally Posted by Kommodus

Um, can I ask what makes you so sure of this?

C'mon people, think. In round 3, I got a "Little Timmy" message indicating any night actions could only be performed on Sir Boo or discovery1. There were two deaths, neither of which were Sir Boo.

I'm not mafia.

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It's simple really all of the kills have been sent by Disco or he's just writting them, but who really knows.

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Originally Posted by Xiahou

Interesting developments... Kommodus has been looking suspicious since his apparently phony reveal while Moody's reveal seems too well orchestrated to be fake.

Vote: Kommodus

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WTF??????????? I'm pretty sure you voted for me last round.:dizzy2: If I'm not mistaken that was before you voted for me.

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Originally Posted by Ichigo

It's simple really all of the kills have been sent by Disco or he's just writting them, but who really knows.

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No, that's impossible. If discovery1 were performing all the kills himself, what would be the point of having a "Little Timmy" role?

This is subject to change.

Vote: Kommodus

Not quantifiable, I'm afraid, but the tone of your deconstruction of Moody's reveal is off from your usual analysis -- reads more like Sasaki or Siggy.

Moody is a bit of a cypher to me, but his being a Mason would explain the discrepancies in style just as well as mafia status -- and his reveal coheres nicely (even accounting for the multi-hour run up).

I'll re-read tonight.

By the way, Moody, if I seem "off" to you, think back to how you were when hosting your shindig in the Gameroom. I'm frittered.

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Originally Posted by Kommodus

No, that's impossible. If discovery1 were performing all the kills himself, what would be the point of having a "Little Timmy" role?

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What's the point of a mysterious Kung-Fu role? What the point of a Explosives role? Sasaki might not have put in the PM that Disco couldn't send in the kills and so Disco has been using that to his advantage so he wouldn't have to put his mafioso in danger.

Now this is really nice, whatever happened, I am inclined to say the masons really messed up here.
I am inclined to believe that masonic reveal for reasons I may(or may not) state later but the thing about "only one alive" is really, really bad.
Then again, they couldn't have killed Warluster if dutch and Sir Moody were mafia. What also speaks for them is that I somehow cannot imagine disco selecting them as mafiosi as they are not really an experienced crew, but maybe that was just what made disco select them, hoping that the experienced players would lynch one another. and Kommodus' defense about warluster maybe having a support role sounds a bit valid, maybe they are also counting on him being away and not posting here anymore?

I'm really confused right now and may go to ask disco what he thinks I should do......

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Originally Posted by Dutch_guy

Sure, nice theory there Kommodus. So we first killed him, then used Boo as an in between (an innocent, confirmed) to then kill of our own man (Warluster), a thing which isn't possible, to eventually make amends with Sigurd...

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Originally Posted by Husar

Then again, they couldn't have killed Warluster if dutch and Sir Moody were mafia.

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Gah! I never said anything at all about Warluster, and I certainly never said he was mafia, as Dutch_guy implies. Clearly he wasn't, because he was killed. I don't know what role, if any, he had. I also don't really know what role Dutch_guy had - I speculated that he had some kind of mafia support role, since he's shown up here to support Sir Moody by claiming a role post-mortem, a move that is normally illegal. For all I know, he might've actually been mafia.

Warluster, on the other hand, hasn't said anything.

I don't know if this helps in any way...
But I contacted Warluster first and had a pretty good dialogue with him. He was of course very skeptical towards me at first and would not give too much information.

It was to him I showed what Csar had asked me about. He will confirm this.
Hence he, Sir Moody, Sir Boo and Dutch_guy are the real deal.

I then contacted Sir Boo and the rest of the story you already know.

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Originally Posted by JimBob

How?

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Basically I've been discussing with Sigurd in this game. Before Sir Moody's reveal I knew these things. Warluster was a Mason and that Sir Boo was a brother of one of the masons. So when Sir Moody and DG told this and additionally filled in the gaps, I knew that their claim was valid. So when Kommodus went and tried to refute the claim, I knew that he was lying.

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You wish to lay that out for us or are you just bsing us? I'm not going to take your word for it.

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I'm speaking the truth or atleast what I believe is the truth according to what Sigurd has told me.

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Why? Did your attempted hit on him last night fail? Want to finish your business?

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Seamus has been on my suspect list from the start with Sir Moody. When it became clear that Moody was a mason, I was going to go for Seamus, but then Kommodus started his attack against the mason reveal. Thus I decided to go for him instead.

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Either the mafia targeted Seamus or me apparently. And there is enough inconsistency in Aggony's post. He's also is far too confident.

Vote: Aggony Duck

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I believe Sir Moody said that he did protect you last night. As to your vote against me; I can tell you this; I'm not the guy you're looking for. It is just a matter of trusting me. I do not betray the trust of others. (But it is up to you to trust me)

The matter of your note:

Your note was delivered to me at 7:52 am GMT +2, two minutes after the kills. AFAIK they would limit me the next night, not the last one.

Okay, theres a big argument over who is a masons and all, well to back up my fellow (dead) masons I say some stuff.

Yes I was a mason, simple easy done.
Dutch_Guy was a mason. simple,easy done
Sir Moody was a mason. simple,easy done

Over time I watched some people think we were mafia. Some people thought the mason mesage was a mafia one. I can even tell you who I protected over the game.

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Originally Posted by Warluster

Okay, theres a big argument over who is a masons and all, well to back up my fellow (dead) masons I say some stuff.

Yes I was a mason, simple easy done.
Dutch_Guy was a mason. simple,easy done
Sir Moody was a mason. simple,easy done

Over time I watched some people think we were mafia. Some people thought the mason mesage was a mafia one. I can even tell you who I protected over the game.

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Finally, after Sigurd destroyed his credibility I was 80% sure he had a mafia supporting role, but that you had one as well sounds a bit far-fetched.

Vote: Kommodus

I don't really need to say why, do I?

Gah... what the heck... :shrug:

Well, looks like people have chosen to believe private communications they've had with untrustworthy people rather than rational argument. The mafia have done a fine job of building a coalition of trust. I'm not privy to these communications, so I guess I can't argue against them.

I'm a bit disappointed that no one seems to care about the inconsistencies in Sir Moody's problem-ridden reveal. But oh well, I knew I'd get lynched eventually. C'est la vie.

Kudos to Sir Moody, Sigurd Fafnesbane, and gang. You've done a fine job of leading the town around by the nose. I wish the town luck, but at this point I don't fancy its chances. :no:

I don't know what to make of Warluster's comments. There's something going on that I don't understand; I suppose we'll find out at the end of the game, won't we? Still, I don't think a post-mortem role-reveal is an allowable thing, so... ???

Sir Moody, your time will come, you dirty mafioso!

Have fun, guys! :2thumbsup: :skull:

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Originally Posted by Kommodus

For the love, Sigurd, pay attention! Mistakes, omissions, and deliberate lies - we've seen 'em all before. Most notably from mafiosi in past games such as GeneralHankerchief in GFII and Reenk Roink in Mafia V. They all claimed to have good reasons for it. The reality: it's just harder to keep everything consistent when you're lying than when you're telling the truth. :no:

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Yet you (and most of the town) believed me even though I was basically caught red handed. :laugh4: :grin2: Manipulation...

Anyhoo, I'm fairly confident that Kommo is guilty, not as confident as Gen-Hanky of course, but confident nonetheless.

As Kommodus himself put it (paraphrased), lynching Seamus in Mafia V:

It's not certain (what really is?), but it's our best shot.

Vote: Kommodus


By the way, I've always had a nagging feeling that Sigurd was attempting to play me, but he doesn't know which game I'm playing so... :wink:

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Originally Posted by Kommodus

Gah... what the heck... :shrug:

Well, looks like people have chosen to believe private communications they've had with untrustworthy people rather than rational argument. The mafia have done a fine job of building a coalition of trust. I'm not privy to these communications, so I guess I can't argue against them.

I'm a bit disappointed that no one seems to care about the inconsistencies in Sir Moody's problem-ridden reveal. But oh well, I knew I'd get lynched eventually. C'est la vie.

Kudos to Sir Moody, Sigurd Fafnesbane, and gang. You've done a fine job of leading the town around by the nose. I wish the town luck, but at this point I don't fancy its chances. :no:

I don't know what to make of Warluster's comments. There's something going on that I don't understand; I suppose we'll find out at the end of the game, won't we? Still, I don't think a post-mortem role-reveal is an allowable thing, so... ???

Sir Moody, your time will come, you dirty mafioso!

Have fun, guys! :2thumbsup: :skull:

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Well, you do sound pretty desperate(especially for someone who relies on rationale and numbers~;) ) so my heart says let him live.
But I don't really see any other option now, there seem to be a lot of people who think that you are guilty and their claims are somewhat consistent.
I'm not going to believe sigurd anything again anytime soon I think but all three supposed masons tell the same story.
Either you are a mafioso or we might really have some cult thing going on here. They all seem to know "more" and I feel a bit excluded as well so I might change my opinion and abstain again or something like that.
All those lies and "ruses" from their side really hurt their cause, whatever that may be, well, why not do it now, this game has been spoiled by so many deceptions, I'm completely torn in all directions, the only one whose role is clear and makes me feel warm and fuzzy is disco, at least I know his agenda......

Let's see who else is there...

Unvote: Kommodus
Vote: doc_bean for staying under the radar(at least under mine)

May turn out to be my first "effective" vote in case anyone needs this for a statistic to get me lynched.:2thumbsup:

woah, no lynch.....

Sasaki is slacking.

And so Kommodus was lynched.

However, it appears that during the heated discussion prior to the final vote being cast, Sir Moody had revealed to much. His claim to be a mason might have been doubted had it not been for the two deceased masons stepping up and arguing alongside him. This was proof enough for the mafia don and Sir Moody was found face down in the street riddled with bullet holes.





Killed (7):

Caius Flaminius
Kagemusha
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Warluster
Masy
Don Corleone
Sir Boo

Lynched(4):
Reenk Roink
GeneralHankerchief
Dutch_guy
Kommodus

WoG(5):
Divine Wind
Proletariat
Ultrawar
Peasant Phill
Sir Moody

Alive: (11):

discovery1
Jimbob
Seamus Fermanagh
Xiahou
AggonyDuck
Ituralde
Husar
doc_bean
Al Khalifah
Ignoramus
Ichigo

pm's please

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Not quite fair I know. The rules mention nothing about role reveal after death. However, it has been a standard in other games, and for a good reason. One of the powers of the masons is the ability to confirm each other innocent, and it's not right that this ability extends past death. I let it go because it was too late and I hadn't mentioned anything in the rules but I feel this makes up for it.

Discovery1 blows the smoke off from his tommy gun.

Good riddence. Pitty I couldn't have more fun with you though.

Discovery1 climbs into a car and speeds off.