New factions?

Cant wait to play the new factions whatever they are. I've played almost all the factions in EB and have learned a ton from the mod. Played EB more then any other mod or game for that matter in my entire life so thanks for this enjoyable mod.

Of course cant leave with out adding my uninformed opinion about a suggested faction. I've always had a passion for the Kingdom of the Cimmerian Bosporus and I just love that part of the world and the mix of influences at the time but I guess they where often under the control of foreign powers.

Kind of a mini announcement.


Sorry guys, we have decided against adding new factions this time. We felt, as a team, that adding more factions won't particulary impove upon anything, and we will be keeping with the same faction list as EB1.


Hope you understand?

Sounds great they can further flesh out the faction rosters and more factions would just make them hit the unit cap faster. Rather have less factions better represented then more factions with less units.

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Originally Posted by Megalos

Kind of a mini announcement.


Sorry guys, we have decided against adding new factions this time. We felt, as a team, that adding more factions won't particulary impove upon anything, and we will be keeping with the same faction list as EB1.


Hope you understand?

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this is a joke right?
I thought 9 out of 10 of the factions had been selected.:inquisitive:

Must be a joke!

Well, considering what was just said on the previous page...

Well at least add a FAW! Like Numidia or the Celtiberians! So that the game will be more balanced! ;_;

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Originally Posted by JRG

this is a joke right?
I thought 9 out of 10 of the factions had been selected.:inquisitive:

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JRG has got a good point there!

Guys,


EB team loves screwing with people's heads. It makes you wonder if they all don't have a degree is psychology.


:)

They also have a degree in sarcasm.

wasn't very funny in my opinion

Was very sarcastic though.

???

It's not a joke.

...or is it?

*insertdramatictune here*

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Anyways, to get back on topic. I'd see Syracuse as a candidate, if there were more regions available. Syracuse was only interested in conquering Sicilia and maybe a part of Magna Graecia.

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While you guys enjoy messing with our minds I hope you're also working on those 9 new factions. I sure don't want all the trolling to take over the time you work on them.:juggle:

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Originally Posted by Hax

...or is it?

*insertdramatictune here*

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Anyways, to get back on topic. I'd see Syracuse as a candidate, if there were more regions available. Syracuse was only interested in conquering Sicilia and maybe a part of Magna Graecia.

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And what factions were interested in rule the whole world?

Alexander was already dead.

Romani, Arche Seleukeia, Ptolemaioi for some degree, Makedonia I think.

Imagine the Victory conditions for Syracuse, would be something like:

Conquer Syracuse, Messana, Lilibeo, Rhegion, Taras, Kart-Hadast, Atiqa, Karalis, Leptis, Alalia.

That's about it?

Well judging by the new steele definetly messing with my mind new faction looks sweeeet.

Confirmed:

Pergamon: Pergamon; Western Greek culture?

Possible:

Arevaci: Numantia; Barbarian culture

Massyli: Kirtan; Semitic culture


Massaesyli: Siga and Lixus; Semitic culture (overall less likey than Massyli)

Mauryan Satrapy of Gandhara: Taksashila and Opiana; Eastern(?) culture

Belgae: Bratosporios and Bagacos; Barbarian culture

Boii: Bononia, Eburonum and Vindobona; Barbarian Culture

Bosphoran Kingdom: Pantikapaion; Western Greek culture (?)

Getting pretty iffy:

Scythians: Olbia; Nomadic culture - Team members have already said that the Scythians were declining so their chances are slim

There aren't really any others that I can see as having any great impact (feel free to kill me for forgetting your favorite non-faction). The Illyrians weren't centralized yet and didn't effect much change, though their pirates would be cool. Syracuse and Massilia have been shut down. Galatia would really have nowhere to expand now that Pergamon is in, and they weren't very aggressive any way, unless they also get Tylis, but that still might not be enough. Tellos seemed to be saying that there was a possibility for a faction at the top of the map, but I don't know of any there unless he meant the Caledonians to balance out the Casse, which was mentioned elsewhere.

On that note, the Goidels seem less likely now that they have lost some of their higher level (some have said fantastic) units. No other Germanic tribes are viable as super-confederations. Another tribe in Gaul aside from the Belgae would be more likely to hurt the chances of a Gallic nation than produce a stable country. If the Arevaci are included, then Iberia will be too packed for another. Two in Africa is enough (especially with the not having an Ethiopian/Nubian faction). No other possibilities in Arabia unless the Team wants a suicidal Nabataean faction owning Petra and Bostra, but getting killed instantly by the Grey Death and Yellow Fever. There is no more room in the Caucuses for an Iberian/Albanian/Colchisian(sp?) kingdom. Bastarnoz were discounted a long time ago, along with Baltics or "Polish". Cyrene suffers similar problems to Syracuse/Massilia and Nabatea. Thrace, AFAIK, has never even been suggested (because it's so far gone). Media Atropatene wouldn't have enough room (unless new provinces were added there or Seleukid territory was given to them). Yeuzhi would still be off map and there won't be any emerging factions (again). Aetolian League would be one measly province between 3 powers.

Sheesh, if Anyone can think of another faction aside from the ones I listed, I'll be impressed. Or just realizing the obvious.

Chairman

Garamantians im thinking. They would start off as savages and grow more capable as the game progresses. It was hinted on the EB1 site that they only just missed out?? So who nows. I did some research on them they seem like a challenge to depict accurately, but they would be a great choice gameplay-wise.

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Sheesh, if Anyone can think of another faction aside from the ones I listed, I'll be impressed. Or just realizing the obvious.

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I'll take that challenge ~;) . I made a similar list a couple of days agao, with all peoples that had been mentioned as candidate factions (as far as I could remember), along with my assessment on how likely their inclusion was and what their unit roster would look like.

Caledonians are definitely out. There was no such thing as a Caledonian nation and we don't even know how they called themselves. Ranika once mentioned the Brigantes as a Briton candidate, but they seemed low priority at the time and haven't been mentioned recently.

In Arabia, Qataban may be included as well. They were the Saba's main competitor, and I recall reading somewhere they were on the rise during this era. The two new Semitic faction need not be in Africa, after all. Arguing against this is the absence of the Saba faction coordinator. No point adding a faction if there is no-one to work on them.

I also wouldn't discount the possibility of a Caucasian faction. After all, it was strongly suggested there would be another Eastern faction. Dito for the Polish: the Lugii or Lugians were considered for the last EB1 faction slot.

Teleklos recently indicated the Massagetae as a candidate faction, although I am having trouble seeing how they would fit in between Parni, Saka and Bactria. There is actually another candidate faction in that area, that was seriously considered for EB1, but because it hasn't been mentioned since I think it may be intended as a surprise for EB2, and won't spoil it by naming them. Well, that and the fact that I had never heard of these guys, and even Wikipedia barely knew them :clown: .

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Originally Posted by Ludens

In Arabia, Qataban may be included as well. They were the Saba's main competitor, and I recall reading somewhere they were on the rise during this era. The two new Semitic faction need not be in Africa, after all. Arguing against this is the absence of the Saba faction coordinator. No point adding a faction if there is no-one to work on them.

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I think someone said that the nabateans were out of the question, and although Qataban might indeed have been a power to be reckoned with, I think a Charakene-arabian faction would make more sense, especially gameplay-wise, as southern arabia would get pretty crowded with two factions so close to each other.
They would likely start warring with eachother, and become weakened untill ultimately, they both get smotherd by the ptolemaioi.

However, I still favour two north african factions, to mess things up a bit for Kart-hadast. I think they would be a lot of fun to play too! But I will welcome any new faction in those areas. Sab'yn is, after all, one of my favourit factions in EB1.

Hmm, would the Bastarnoz work as a faction?

I'm no expert on the subject, but I don't think that there is enough information about the Bastarnoz to merit a faction. And I don't think they were organized enough to be called a nation either. (However, some of the factions already in weren't either, so one never knows.) They were, if I'm not mistaken, employed as mercenaries from time to time, though.

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Originally Posted by Ludens

Teleklos recently indicated the Massagetae as a candidate faction, although I am having trouble seeing how they would fit in between Parni, Saka and Bactria. There is actually another candidate faction in that area, that was seriously considered for EB1, but because it hasn't been mentioned since I think it may be intended as a surprise for EB2, and won't spoil it by naming them. Well, that and the fact that I had never heard of these guys, and even Wikipedia barely knew them :clown: .

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Are you speaking about the tokarians?
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Originally Posted by Mithridates VI Eupator

I think someone said that the nabateans were out of the question, and although Qataban might indeed have been a power to be reckoned with, I think a Charakene-arabian faction would make more sense, especially gameplay-wise, as southern arabia would get pretty crowded with two factions so close to each other.

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Yes, IIRC an EB member said the Nabateans weren't going to cut it because they only became a power late in the mod's time frame and their unity was questionable.

Was Charakene an independent power at this point? I don't think the Seleucids could have maintained a large empire with a rival so close to their Mesopotamian heartlands.

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Originally Posted by Ayce

Hmm, would the Bastarnoz work as a faction?

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IIRC it was Krusader who stated the Bastarnoz would not be included for the reason Mithridates VI Eupator mentions. However, not so long after that another EB members suggested they were still a candidate, so I am not giving up hope :sweatdrop: .

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Originally Posted by Cartaphilus

Are you speaking about the tokarians?

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Wouldn't those be ruled by the Yuezhi at this point?

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Originally Posted by Hax

Romani, Arche Seleukeia, Ptolemaioi for some degree, Makedonia I think.

Imagine the Victory conditions for Syracuse, would be something like:

Conquer Syracuse, Messana, Lilibeo, Rhegion, Taras, Kart-Hadast, Atiqa, Karalis, Leptis, Alalia.

That's about it?

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No just like with the KH or Aedui or Arverni or Casse or in fact so many factions out there they would have much more of a challenge to take on.

If they were to be included (I kinda lost track of all the factions being discussed internally anyways) they would probably have to reconquer the former Syrakousai territories or establish presence there ('raid') to rise once more...

I'm not voting against Syrakousai, I love it actually (the more Hellenes, the better!). I was merely acting as a 'devil's advocate'