Benefits of Spartan Hoplites

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Originally Posted by Ymarsakar

Those that exercise as children have cardio vascular systems and muscle density greater than anyone that starts later in life. The growing stage is past by then. And for those that do start as children, the quality and quantity of exercise matters as well. Playing sports is one thing but targeted cardio vascular training would have been something the Spartans would have tried to get an advantage.

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They still kind of cook inside closed metal armour on a hot day under the sun, tho'. Basic biology and physics that.
And it's not like anyone actually had a damned clue about the hows and whys of it at the time anyway. They just knew from long experience wearing lots of metal didn't go too well with hot weather.

<B>They still kind of cook inside closed metal armour on a hot day under the sun, tho'.</b>

Which is why I don't believe the Spartans should have a lower Heat value comapred to other hoplites with around their armor value.

Spartans still had a pretty impressive reputation though, I mean they still do even today. Most people would have been quite intimidated fighting them at any stage of their history. Maybe their advantage over other elite hoplites should be more psychological than physical?

Also, for the sake of the game, if a Greek alliance were ever to have succeeded in dominating the mediterranean - with an active Sparta involved - the state would surely have had to have undergone serious reforms. It's simply not practical to rule a large empire/hegemony with such a limited citizen population. I mean look at all the trouble the Romans (with a massive comparative population) had before they extended the franchise in Italy.

So, at least in my game I have assumed that some how or other the Spartans have modernised a bit... :beam:

I think they would have had to implement land reforms to fix that horrid wealth imbalance and then figure out some way of not pissing off their allies enough to steam roll them like the last time they were in charge. -_-'

Not that the Southern Greeks would have been able to stay together without a common enemy.

Agreed. A very conservative and closed minded people really. Realistically it seems almost impossible that they would have ever been able to run an empire that stretched much beyond the Peloponnese, but taking that attitude too seriously there would be no point playing the game :dizzy2:

For the sake of argument Im going with extending some form of citizenship to all Homeland provinces and not allowing any non-Spartan forms of local government. In my game I had to reconquer Athens from the Maks, so the anti-democratic revolution happened then.

I dont think it's possible to play this faction without taking a rather liberal view of historical reality. :oops: Can I say that here? :embarassed:

Depending on what you mean by liberal. Not that everything it can mean applies to what you're saying anyway.

at the one who asked about they're helmets: the spartans became famous for their Pilos helms as far back as c.450BC. the corinthian, though admittedly cool looking, is anything but cool while wearing (try wearing a 5 Lbs bronze pot on you in 90 C heat), and they constricted sight, hearing, and coordnation(sice you can't hear well in it); that's why no hoplites in EB have them; they ceased to be used by the early 4th century BC, as the hoplite started losing it's place as the near-sole form of soldier on battlefields..
and those spartans remaind me of Bush's party(the republicans); too conservative to rule the USA:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: (just kidding-no real political significance)

Not to turn this into a political battleground, but I fully agree with you, Ibrahim. Which is why Obama is the man to go.

BUT! Back to topic.

So, taking a look at the benefits of Spartans in EB. Three words, mate: battle-winning style bonus! ~D

Try using a spartan hippeis/perokoi unit to allow for degrees of spartanism

The Spartans had the disadvantage of not having adequate technological support to drive an economy that wasn't made up out of Helots. If Spartans had to farm, they couldn't then put their energy into training warriors.

What makes them different from America is that America benefits from the technological advances that made slavery uneconomical. Which means you have more people that can not only afford to become warriors but you have people that neither need to become soldiers nor farmers. An entire class of people with nothing to do except provide services to their fellows.

That brings prosperity, up to a point. That point is when society decays due to a lack of purpose and health. Too many new things tended to break apart any society's foundations.

OK fellas...

ur all talking out of your A**se now.... :whip:

So, Plz quit it with the Politics, the Sparta/US comparison, and whatnot. :focus:

Ok....anyways, I think they are outdated in a game set in a time when mobility, and range were emphazised over just pure armor and brute force...


kinda sucks too that helots have to be killed for a spartan's graduation ceremony.move helots!:whip: :whip: