Pedites extraordinarii are champions!

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Originally Posted by Hax

Heh.

Sreni Pattya Yoddaha. They will mince your beloved Belgians and Pedites Extraordinarii.

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Well they might; but there are some issues with Sreni vs. Milaht:
1) The use of their AP sword-axe is somewhat limited by the lack of armour on the Milnaht;
2) Where are you going to get Sreni from in Milnaht country (and vice versa) ?
3) AOR is roughly equal; but the Sreni cost a heck of a lot more than Milnaht do AFAIK;
4) While both troops don't have great armour; the Milnaht at least get a very trustworthy shield somewhat lacking on the Sreni there;
5) The Milnaht get javelins which makes them slightly more useful when deployed as alternative Gaesatae (i.e.: shock troops in reserve to deliver the crushing final blow).
6) On the upside however the Sreni do get that AP attribute and higher attack (dunno actually never payed much notice) ...

However I would prefer the lighter bow-armed Indian infantry: same sword; but *with* a large fair-range bow as well as bigger numbers AFAIK. Considering both won't last too long under heavy missile fire; at least the lighter ones can return the favour a bit...

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2) Where are you going to get Sreni from in Milnaht country (and vice versa) ?

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Hey, I've shipped them to Demetrias, Gallia isn't that much further!

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Originally Posted by Hax

Hey, I've shipped them to Demetrias, Gallia isn't that much further!

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Wow, must have been a hell of a long journey... I wonder how an Indian would react in such cold climats as the heavily forested lands of Gallia:laugh4:

It wasn't actually that hard. I just built a ship at Patala, ported them to Charax Aspinou, then a march past Seleukeia and Syria until I reached Antiocheia, took another ship from there to Sardis, where they meeted up with the rest of my elite army.

Yeah I've done similar: once or twice, when my armies were done conquering the Indos valley (or what little thereof lies on the EB map) I found myself thinking 'nice, but what am I to do with them now?'. To which I answered myself 'well, I was planning on that invasion of Greece anyway; and I can do with some seriously mean archers and elephants... off you go lads; the pirate hunters will take you to Charax...'. :juggle:

I like doing that aswell, marching a kickass unit across the world for a battle:yes:

And then having to retrain them after that...the horror.

Well, usually after a year of ten I just edit the export_descr_buildings and make them a regional unit for Antiocheia only, to represent that the elite training of those soldiers has been taken over in Antiocheia.

Can't say I ever bother with retraining, not worth the hassle of trying to shuttle troops back to wherever you recruited them. Easier to just draft in replacements by merging other units. Besides it's highly unrealistic.

I like the PE's. . . only they and the Lugian swordsmen have been able to stand up in a 1v1 with my Elite Thracians.
The PE suffered a bit from their low lethality (compared to falx), but they made a game of it before their witless Roman (AI) commander got his empty head cut off by a different falx.

All in all a very good troop type, but I prefer elites to have a bit more punch.

I just had another battle where they were badass. Send them to protect my cavalry as I drove off about four units of skirmishers, who having run out of javelins charged. They didn't kill more than a handful of the extraordinarii in the minutes of contact before support arrived, and lost a sizeable chunk of their own number too.

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Originally Posted by QuintusSertorius

Can't say I ever bother with retraining, not worth the hassle of trying to shuttle troops back to wherever you recruited them. Easier to just draft in replacements by merging other units. Besides it's highly unrealistic.

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Depends. It could represent better organized recruitment - either the warriors are trained in India, and step in service, so to speak, in Antiocheia as planned, OR, the would-be-warriors travel to Antiocheia to be trained there, perhaps in a colony of Indian subjects of the Seleukids.

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Originally Posted by The General

Depends. It could represent better organized recruitment - either the warriors are trained in India, and step in service, so to speak, in Antiocheia as planned, OR, the would-be-warriors travel to Antiocheia to be trained there, perhaps in a colony of Indian subjects of the Seleukids.

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Ive always felt retraining in EB works rather well. I mean its also unrealistic for many factions to recruit a group of soldiers of exactly the same size on each occassion. Surely for example when the sweboz chiefs called the tribes to war they just all rocked up, got divided into rough companies and headed for the battlefield. Its a very Roman invention to standardise the number of troops in each army so precisley. And Im sure even then, there was considerable variation. The call up for the wars vs Hannibal for example.

especially when fighting in home territory it seems very realistic that factions would fill out the ranks with new recruits quite often.

The better argument against retraining for the human player seems to me that the AI doesnt do it. But then again the AI gets considerable advantages in other areas. :juggle2:

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Originally Posted by Cambyses

Its a very Roman invention to standardise the number of troops in each army so precisley.

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Oh hoh hoo, just wait until TPC gets here... :>

Now I'm no expert, but considering how many thousands of years of history came before the Romans, i's silly to assume they made the first standardized army. There was the Persian Ten Thousand Companions, for one thing. Not to mention the ~7000 years of fighting in Mesopotamia before Rome ever showed up.

What makes it more ironic is his username. :wiseguy:

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Oh hoh hoo, just wait until TPC gets here... :>

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Yeah ,He will come with his new friend ,That Pahalav warrior (Statue) :wink:

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What makes it more ironic is his username.

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