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Originally Posted by Foot
in other words there won't be any "surprises" in EB like we see in MTW2 with arrival of mongols and timurids or discovery of america?
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Originally Posted by Foot
in other words there won't be any "surprises" in EB like we see in MTW2 with arrival of mongols and timurids or discovery of america?
No. Didn't say that. There won't be events that were not based in quantifiable social and political causes that we can reliably reproduce in the game. If these events take place outside of the influence of the map (both the mongols and timurids would come under this heading were EBII based in the same timeperiod of MTW2) then the event will happen within a time-frame much in the same way that the timurids and mongols appear (though not as seperate factions).
Hannibal does not, in our opinion, fall under the category of mid-game events that we want to include. Our criteria is hardly constrictive so you can expect to see may suprises throughout the campaign.
Foot
If, say, somebody were to use the base EB2 1.0 game to develop a Hannibal mod a la RTW's Alexander...
<cough, cough>
Uh. Someone who has the same opinion as me. Balloon for you :balloon2:, however antagonistic you may be. I like that EB doesn't try to FORCE history upon you after the first turn. At turn 1, you're teleported back to 272 B.C. - and THEN you play. Having people turn up later would be like: you're transported back to 272. Then you play for 12 years and then, if you were so cruel as to alter history, EVERYTHING is reset to perfectly suit how things were in 260 BC. That wouldn't make sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by abou
All the problems currently existing belong to the inability of the AI. A better AI could perhaps be made to see that it has to defeat Romani instead of just staying in Spain, and would then perhaps send an army in that direction. I also hate that RTW AI doesn't get the real question of Sicily: if Carthage loses it, they make peace with Rome and ignore each other. That Carthage always sought to take Sicily, so as to prevent enemies from using it to invade Carthage, isn't something the AI is aware of - and the Romani AI isn't either. Besides, even if AIs were to mount naval invasions, I doubt they'd be historic enough to do it from Sicily to Carthage and not from weird places like from Bosporus to Carthage:beam:
But all that is due to the vanilla AI. Were it better, I doubt anybody would request historic events like the invasion of Italy. But trying to get the AI on the right track by scripted events is kinda an illusion. We just have to wait until a better AI is developed. One that will know of some sort of strategy, instead of merely "it's nearby, let's conquer it".
So the recent thread about Xanthippus made me think of this thread. Will he not be included in EB2, then?
Yes he will. But he was alive in 272. Hannibal was not. in addition, due to the close proximity to the start date and that he is not represented elsewhere (and so is essentially off-map till his appearance), there need not have complex conditions to spawn.
We already apply the criteria as expressed here in EBI.
Foot
Cool beans. How did you reply so fast?
I am a moderator for these forums. We know...
Foot
Aside from that Hannibal was a slightly different figure from Xanthippos. It is plausible for the Senate to hire a merc general (literally) X; hence the event. It's plausible given the right conditions (triggers!).
It's somewhat less plausible some important Carthy noble suddenly finds himself with a son, who not only he hadn't heard of before (his wife must've kept the kid away from the daddy...?) but it also turns out the son inherits his fathers drive to put an end to Roman agressions (odd?) and who is, to top it off, also appointed as commander in chief of what can be considered one of the largest standing Carthaginian forces? Better yet: he voids the treaty between Carthage and Rome, by assaulting a town of some people who've been hurting Carthaginian interests & allies?
Such a gross contradictio in terminis is easily possible when you aim for a Hannibal event in a game such as M2TW which simply hasn't been designed with keeping itself consistent with a complex, alternate past-history & alternate future ahead of time. You cannot 'mark' the boy before he comes of age; and you cannot even control at which date he gets born. The way he was 'marked' at a young age, and in which age he was born made Hannibal; had he lived 50 years earlier or had he had a different childhood, he would't have been quite the Hannibal...
EDIT: Not to mention the various other high-ranking nobles who accompanied him on his legendary campaign.
Not to mention the impact he had on modern-day views.Quote:
The way he was 'marked' at a young age, and in which age he was born made Hannibal; had he lived 50 years earlier or had he had a different childhood, he would't have been quite the Hannibal...
Imagine a "Hasdrubal Lecter". -shiver-