Do you use Client Rulers and recruitable Generals?

on the flip side.

i just started a new romani campaign using konny's houserules, and i must say that it makes more sense. the provinces develop much easier and you economy doesn't take such a nasty hit.

A type four government is nothing more than a permanent alliance with a small settlement. just as if you were allying with a large faction, you must pay a tribute/bribe to keep the ally happy with you and doing your bidding. The same is true with a type IV govt: you are paying the client ruler to keep the settlement in check for you. The fees of keeping up a client ruler is negligible; however, more than 3 can be taxing esp. when you are trying to expand or at war with a competitive faction.

my best advice is to not use a type IV unless you NEED it. they are really expensive to keep up and are nothing more than a sure-fire way to make (and keep) an alliance.

On my last Roman game, I never found the expense of client rulers to be a big deal at all. And I had a lot of them. Literally every new province would get one, and I'd progress through the government types at 30-year intervals.

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Originally Posted by QuintusSertorius

On my last Roman game, I never found the expense of client rulers to be a big deal at all. And I had a lot of them. Literally every new province would get one, and I'd progress through the government types at 30-year intervals.

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Yeah, but Rome has a strong economy. Then again, if you expand so much that your client rulers become a big upkeep, you should also have a strong economy as a result of that expansion (or you've been expanding into the desert or something).

I'd like to know what roleplay excuses you employ to change your lvl 4 gov to something above. After all it is an allied state, where you don't have any rights officially. People might know that they have to obey Makedonia or your respective faction, but they still consider themselves independent.

For example, yesterday the client ruler of Mytilene died. What I generally do is to destroy the gov building, move the garrison out and set the taxes to very high. Normally that makes for a good riot, but unfortunately it didn't work so I voluntarily destroyed the Temple to Asklepios and the Askleipion of the city. that brought me my riot, and the subsequent turn I took a general and let him march into the city. Now I ordered a lvl 2 gov.

So I roleplayed that Makedonia, as the "good shepherd and protector of the people of Lesbos", took the initiative and marched into the city, to re-establish "the good order etc.". So how do you do it?

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Originally Posted by Centurio Nixalsverdrus

I'd like to know what roleplay excuses you employ to change your lvl 4 gov to something above. After all it is an allied state, where you don't have any rights officially. People might know that they have to obey Makedonia or your respective faction, but they still consider themselves independent.

For example, yesterday the client ruler of Mytilene died. What I generally do is to destroy the gov building, move the garrison out and set the taxes to very high. Normally that makes for a good riot, but unfortunately it didn't work so I voluntarily destroyed the Temple to Asklepios and the Askleipion of the city. that brought me my riot, and the subsequent turn I took a general and let him march into the city. Now I ordered a lvl 2 gov.

So I roleplayed that Makedonia, as the "good shepherd and protector of the people of Lesbos", took the initiative and marched into the city, to re-establish "the good order etc.". So how do you do it?

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I use the govt buildings as depictions of how we treat non-hellenic people. Changing govt one level up then means increasing hellenization or something. It's not something I pay a lot of attention to, though, much like I don't do to other buildings. I usually build a L3 when the first client ruler is dead, and a L2/1 when I need it (as in no more construction options or need a different barracks). Sometimes I install a second client ruler.

ok so now I have a plan... erase client ruler script section , and everytime I conquer a new settlement I'll cheat to build level 5 barracks , recruit a general , destroy the barracks and then remove any extra mnai I might have gained :idea2:

so I'll be able to roleplay while keeping the AI to recruit them :beam:

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Originally Posted by bigmilt16

on the flip side.
i just started a new romani campaign using konny's houserules, and i must say that it makes more sense. the provinces develop much easier and you economy doesn't take such a nasty hit.

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you mean making equites consulares recruitable?

Quintus I've a question you surely have a lot of experience in this matter :sweatdrop:

say I've a general called Cnaevs Fabivs Ambvstvs , what would be his name? "CnaevsA Romanvs" or Cnaevs Fabivsambvstvs" ?

EDIT: nevermind it was:

give_trait "CnaevsE Romanvs" Type4Governor

both are widely used: in my AS campaign for example, I had 10 trained genreals, another 5-8 clients, and lots of other things by 205BC (when I won).

In IBFD, its even more pronunced a trend: my best general was trained (a guy named Asparus); he is legendary to this day (one of only 3 10 star generals I ever had; if only those F***ers the WRE didn't attack him at sea). 50% of all IBFD generals by 442AD (when I won), were trained.

My client rulers nearly always end up with the Impostor trait because I inevitably upgrade to type I or II government after the province has been developed as far as possible. I love using these guys, they can make a big difference if the garrison gets attacked but also they can become good earners too.

Normally i don't use client rulers but during a terrible war with Macadonia (as Romanii) i had to use the last of my reserves cuz Maca had like toooooo many fullstacks. Mind you i didnt start the war, but took a border town from the Getai. Maca was even my ally!!!!

But i started winning and had to little time to establish gov II's and had not enough FM's so i started building gov IV's. Now the whole of Greece is ruled by client rulers. So if needed i use them extensivly.

Merc. Generals i use as fireman to plug holes in my limes. If the need is there my two Merc. Generals are there to try to fix a border dispute or slow down the enemy till the legion or consular army (if needed) can take over the war or battle.

My two cents.....