Let's Play Guess the Faction! (With Maps!)

North American map.
1. New England and Prince Rupert's land/Hudson's Bay company territory
2. New France ( Louisiana, Canada, and Acadia)
3. 6 nations confederacy, aka Iroquois (Mohawk, Onedia, Onondaga, Cayuga, Seneca, Tuscarora)
4. New Spain
5. I got nothing
6. Brazil
7. Innu nation or Naskapi tribe (either is accurate)
8. Could be Ojibwa, Cree, Dene, Sioux, Mandan, Assiniboine (I had to look up first nations groups in Manitoba, which is what this corisponds too)
9. Could be Ojibwa, Cree and Algonquin (again looked up first nations groups in Ontario)
10. Dutch territories I guess.

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Originally Posted by Fisherking

I agree about the lands of the Chippewa, it is definitely lacking in size, but they moved in relatively recent times to the south. They drove out the Cheyenne and the Sioux from most of Minnesota as I am sure you know.
We can not see what is in all those empty lands.

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Yay, I was right! Now I can play a TW game as some of my ancestors! I have no idea about the Cree, though...

@lars:

Chippewa is another name for Ojibway. I'm glad we all agree on their relative starting position! :smile:

The Iroquois were only composed of 5 nations at 1700, btw. And be careful when you look at maps of the tribes, a lot of them had shifted positions since 1700. For example, today there's some Chippewa in British Columbia, the other side of the continent.

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Originally Posted by CBR

Portugal is AFAIK not part of the 12 playable factions. But you can easily unlock it of course.


CBR

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Not being playable (As in being playable and being a detailed faction. I don't want Portugal as a mini-Spain) will lose CA a customer. They may win many North American ones with their 12 Colonies, or such, but they'll lose at least one in Portugal. :P

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Originally Posted by Jolt

Not being playable (As in being playable and being a detailed faction. I don't want Portugal as a mini-Spain) will lose CA a customer. They may win many North American ones with their 12 Colonies, or such, but they'll lose at least one in Portugal. :P

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I wouldn't go so far as to not buy the game, but perhaps send them an e-mailed complaint or something.

Portugal really deserves a position among the twelve, it should not lose out to the Thirteen Colonies.

While I'm not Portugese, I am a big fan of your country and it's fascinating colonial history. :beam:

Honestly, saying that a multi continental empire who had gigantic leverage in Imperial and colonial matters compared to: Austria, Poland, Prussia; and saying it should stay behind a poorly developed agricultural-based group colonies is wierd at best.

For Empire: Total War, Portugal deserves to be among the first 5, to be honest, as the standard colonial empire upon which all other colonial empires were based.

Anyways, on to identification of territories:

Europe, 10, that is an amalgamy of German territories. The Southern-most is surely Wuttemburg, going north, the middle one might be The Palatinate, the Northwestern one might be Hessen?, the northernmost is either Bremen or Oldenburg, I'd bet on the latter.

America, 10, that's Puerto Rico, therefore Spanish.

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Originally Posted by Martok

Sorry, but Portugal never had any colonies in North America, only South America. ~:)

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The people at the TWC told me different, there was a map, and that exact location had portugal on it :dizzy2:

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Originally Posted by Jolt

Honestly, saying that a multi continental empire who had gigantic leverage in Imperial and colonial matters compared to: Austria, Poland, Prussia; and saying it should stay behind a poorly developed agricultural-based group colonies is wierd at best.

For Empire: Total War, Portugal deserves to be among the first 5, to be honest, as the standard colonial empire upon which all other colonial empires were based.

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I wouldn't bother much Jolt. Portugal started the age of oversea's empires in 1415 and since ETW doesn't even have a global scope, doesn't make much sense to put Portugal in.
Portugal needs a bigger game to be present :P :laugh4:
Besides how many copies do you think they'll sell in Portugal compared to other countries? :juggle2:

So sorry for the off topic...and Happy New Years all!!!

It is of course not yet confirmed so still just speculation. Since USA cannot be a faction to pick from in the year 1700 I doubt Portugal lost out to them. Being a small isolated neighbour to Spain and most of its historical colonies not part of the 3 regions in ETW, it does not look good for Portugal as being one of the 12 playable factions.

The chapter 4/5 - Road to Independence video suggest two playable factions in India: Maratha and Mughal. And same video shows what appears to be special icons for 12 factions (under the diplomacy screen) which seems to be the 12 playable factions and there is no Portugal there.


CBR

anyone know more about the maratha? not much info on them is there, other than there in africa

https://img367.imageshack.us/img367/...numbersxg8.png

Any idea of what/who the circled island belongs to? Looks like Britain but it's hard to tell.

Jamaica. British since the 1650's, IIRC...

EDIT: Btw, what's the Pronvincie Sconosclute?

"Provincie sconosciute" is Italian. Means "unknown/unexplored province".

8 on the North American Map is really a mystery to me, especially considering how it is so far apart from the other provinces. How are you supposed to get to it? Can you march across the mighty province of Sconosciute, but not build anything within it, nor occupy it? Will new provinces appear gradually throughout the game as the areas become available for colonisation? Will you get slow-teleported to it in the same manner as you cross from the Atlantic into the Indian Ocean? I would really like to know.

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Originally Posted by Azlahn

"Provincie sconosciute" is Italian. Means "unknown/unexplored province".

8 on the North American Map is really a mystery to me, especially considering how it is so far apart from the other provinces. How are you supposed to get to it? Can you march across the mighty province of Sconosciute, but not build anything within it, nor occupy it? Will new provinces appear gradually throughout the game as the areas become available for colonisation? Will you get slow-teleported to it in the same manner as you cross from the Atlantic into the Indian Ocean? I would really like to know.

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I think the unknown land is colonisable. On the other maps impassable territory is represented with a light grey colour. The dark grey in America is totally different. I wouldn't worry about it not being poassable or having to use a slow teleport.

I'd say your interpretation makes sense. Also, on the complete map the "Provincie sconosciute" in the old world is followed by "sempre che ci siano" in parenthesis, which I think would translate into something like "always being this". It sounds like a really great idea to me, though I wonder how the colonization will take place.

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Originally Posted by Azlahn

I'd say your interpretation makes sense. Also, on the complete map the "Provincie sconosciute" in the old world is followed by "sempre che ci siano" in parenthesis, which I think would translate into something like "always being this". It sounds like a really great idea to me, though I wonder how the colonization will take place.

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So far we have seen it confirmed from screenshots that in normal provinces cities and towns appear after a certain number of turns to simulate population growth. In the America territories it may be that you take them and hold them buy getting troops to them first, then after a while a town pops up. Of course that's a complete guess, we have very little information on this topic.

At TW center I found the first screen shot of the Americans had the map of the theater which showed more provinces, some in tribal colors. I don’t have the time or technical skills to blow it up and post it here. If some one else dose, Great!

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...=214676#Thamis

Europe

10. The Small German States, including; Baden, Württemberg, Rhineland, Palatine, Saarland, Hesse, Westphalia, Lower Saxony, Bremen, and others. There only seem to be four or five provinces here though, so I will not guess as to the names or capitals.

On a 1700 European Map they are called Small States.

http://www.euratlas.com/history_euro..._map_1700.html

America

10. Is the Virgin Islands. Porto Rico is the island just below them. The English, Dutch, French, Spanish and Danish all jostling for control of the region so without more definition on the map to see colors any guess is a good one.


Good Hunting!

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Originally Posted by CA developer Thamis

The good news for modders is: There will no longer be a hard-coded limit on regions.

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:wacko: Did you guys already know about this? There's going to be some really good mods, I think!

Btw, I hope they do a good job at representing those unknown lands of North America. This "colonization" idea makes it seem as if there's nobody already living there and that you could just go there without encountering resistance and establish your own settlements.

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Originally Posted by Methuselah

:wacko: Did you guys already know about this? There's going to be some really good mods, I think!

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Personally I'm looking forwards to a Empire version of the BigMap mod. North America, India, North Africa, and Europe in glorious close up with as many regions as we want!

I want a map so huge that I have to play the game at 4 turns per year just to be able to see it all! :beam:

My idea exactly! :evilgrin:

There are more provinces on the west of the Mississippi, I can't remember if I saw it here or at twc but there was a screen that showed the left edge of the American map, which was the Black Hills and Arizona iirc.

:jumping:

Btw, #8 on North America map is Lake Winnipeg. It was named so by an explorer in 1690, for the Algonquin Indian name for the area (something like winipek). So I think its the Algonquin Indians group, also called the Wood Cree.

#7 on American Map could be the Montagnais tribe.

@ConnMonn:

Yay, some Cree! My other ancestors! My dream is complete! :jumping:
I'll still prefer to play as the Ojibway, though, because they were quite a regional power at the time. Can't wait to get my hands on them! :evilgrin:

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Originally Posted by Methuselah

@ConnMonn:

Yay, some Cree! My other ancestors! My dream is complete! :jumping:
I'll still prefer to play as the Ojibway, though, because they were quite a regional power at the time. Can't wait to get my hands on them! :evilgrin:

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I hope CA do a decent job of portraying your ancestors. I imagine it will suck for you if they go the route of easy stereotypes and bizarre fantasy units and buildings.

Since I'm English they manage to do a decent job with my ancestors :beam: but I still feel vague disappointment each time they make an error (such as the placement of York in Medieval 2.)

What was wrong with York in MiNO? ~:confused:

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Originally Posted by Azlahn

"Provincie sconosciute" is Italian. Means "unknown/unexplored province".

8 on the North American Map is really a mystery to me, especially considering how it is so far apart from the other provinces. How are you supposed to get to it? Can you march across the mighty province of Sconosciute, but not build anything within it, nor occupy it? Will new provinces appear gradually throughout the game as the areas become available for colonisation? Will you get slow-teleported to it in the same manner as you cross from the Atlantic into the Indian Ocean? I would really like to know.

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8 is Sioux

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Originally Posted by Methuselah

What was wrong with York in MiNO? ~:confused:

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If you fought a seige battle at York you could see the coast. In reality York is isn't as far East as it was in Medieval 2. It's a minor complaint though, and one true of many other cities I imagine. It's just a little annoying because York is one of my favourite cities. It's an interesting place to visit, it still has city walls of the kind you can build in Medieval 2.

Empire will probably be a lot better with city placement, given that they keep mentioning using satellite data.

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Originally Posted by GSC

8 is Sioux

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I would have a tendency to agree more with ConnMon, that it could be Cree, but if so the next province west holds the Blackfoot Tribes. The Sioux are south of them by a ways. They will be in the Blackhills and then perhaps going east as far as near Lake Superior if they include the whole Nation, and not just a part of it.

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Originally Posted by Fisherking

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I would have a tendency to agree more with ConnMon, that it could be Cree, but if so the next province west holds the Blackfoot Tribes. The Sioux are south of them by a ways. They will be in the Blackhills and then perhaps going east as far as near Lake Superior if they include the whole Nation, and not just a part of it.

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I agree on the Sioux. Why wouldn't they have a nation-plot of their own? Not only were they a large tribe, they controlled a large area (as you stated, the black hills). Also, they still sit on a rather large reservation outside of the badlands. They'll probably end up with a Rebel nation deal or something, and they will control the "Black Hills" region. Also, they might be split up into Lakota, Dakota, etc. I'll have to check that. :book: