It doesn't get any sicker then this.

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

ah so you would have to wait for the killing before you did it .
So that means you would then be a target of people who say ...

See you have to kill the nuts before they go really nutty or you will feel the terrible vengeance of Dave

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Perhaps I am incorrect, but Dave appears to list those that after the event would not enforce a death sentence on the individual. I doubt that a judge has anything to do with this person prior to the act.

"Bleeding hearts" generally seem to apply to those who try to lessen the act, or alternatively place the true blame with others.

There are an extremely small number of "nuts" that should be killed, but Medicine can not identify these with any sensitivity or specificity, leading to large numbers of false positives and false negatives.

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Reports say the perp was 20, and from the area. This site has pix of the town's (Sint-Gillis) annual flower parade from 2005. I wonder if any of those then-15 year old marchers were our guy?

For example, one of these fellas:
https://jimcee.homestead.com/IMG_1833.jpg


Regardless, hearts and minds, prayers and best wishes to the victims and families - indeed the community. Craziness happens (not defending it or lessening the impact; just observing), seemingly at random, everywhere - usually without warning.

Picking defenseless women and childrenas targets seems particularly despicable. I guess he'd have had far less "success" in a pub full of men. That, and the face make-up, leads me to believe he gave this whole episode considerable forethought - not just a sudden *snap* "I'll kill a bunch o'people today!".

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Many Nazis or Japanese soldiers did far worse between 1935 and 1945, yet they apparently weren't psycho or whatever else. I guess this is kind of topic, but I'm pretty sure anybody could do that.

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Coming from cultures that trained them to think in terms of "untermenschen," during a prolonged and horrific war wherein killing had become a commonplace...

Yes, the potential to be an amoral killer resides in all of us. I would argue that, for a large majority of us, the number of factors that have to align to shift us into "amoral killer" mode is fairly large. Witness all of the veterans who cope with bouts of PTSD after participating in "kill or be killed" situations -- even when they were themselves threatened, there is still some sense of remorse at having taken life.

Sane or insane, lock him up and throw away the key.

Death is a release, not a punishment, and some horrible torture would say more about us than him.

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Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla

Sane or insane, lock him up and throw away the key.

Death is a release, not a punishment, and some horrible torture would say more about us than him.

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Locking him up is a waste of resources. There's also a risk he could escape. He can't if he's dead.
A 20 year old would be on average a great candidate for organ donation. The remnants that can't be reused can then be discarded.

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Locking him up is a waste of resources. There's also a risk he could escape. He can't if he's dead.
A 20 year old would be on average a great candidate for organ donation. The remnants that can't be reused can then be discarded.

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The thread title is wrong.

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The thread title is wrong.

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Apologies for trying to help society and not mollycoddle child murderers.

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Locking him up is a waste of resources. There's also a risk he could escape. He can't if he's dead.
A 20 year old would be on average a great candidate for organ donation. The remnants that can't be reused can then be discarded.

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Don't kill him as punishment, but simply to remove him from the world.

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Locking him up is a waste of resources. There's also a risk he could escape. He can't if he's dead.
A 20 year old would be on average a great candidate for organ donation. The remnants that can't be reused can then be discarded.

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Death is never "to good" for anyone. Especially when there are people who could actually use his organs for good.

You kill infants and it shouldn't be a question. Besides locking him up in the loony bin will only put the docile crazies at risk.

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A 20 year old would be on average a great candidate for organ donation. The remnants that can't be reused can then be discarded.

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Good idea , you have said you want to leave britain and do medicine elsewhere .
Have you considered China as a nice place to practice where you can harvest organs from criminals ?

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Good idea , you have said you want to leave britain and do medicine elsewhere .
Have you considered China as a nice place to practice where you can harvest organs from criminals ?

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Heh that gave me a laugh.
I'm currently sitting in front of my PC. I am allowed whatever personal views I want. When I am at work I've my "NHS GP" hat on and I, like a good little choirboy, sing from the hym-sheet.

Leave the No Hope Service? Sure - as soon as my training is over. I'm not going to stick around in this dump getting screwed around by politicians and their managers. I'm sick to the back teeth of it.

But whether I'll practice medicine at all is the $1,000,000 question... depends purely on what job pays the best.

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Leave the No Hope Service? Sure - as soon as my training is over. I'm not going to stick around in this dump getting screwed around by politicians and their managers. I'm sick to the back teeth of it.

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Yes the NHS is getting screwed over , like for example by people who get the taxpayer to fund all their training and then bugger off .

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Yes the NHS is getting screwed over , like for example by people who get the taxpayer to fund all their training and then bugger off .

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Accountants get their training from their company. So the people that use the accountants indirectly pay.
Many lawyers get their training paid by the firm - indirectly from the clients
Management consultants can get training to the tune of £30,000 a year, and that's not including a company funded MBA. Who pays? The client.

Funnily enough I'm not a serf. I can go where I choose. If others place higher value on me than the NHS does, then great. Perhaps the government should increase the salaries to keep the staff.

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Yes the NHS is getting screwed over , like for example by people who get the taxpayer to fund all their training and then bugger off .

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But atleast those people are still providing a service and making something of themselves unlike many that suck off the government's teet.

Hey Dave about all them years you was sucking off the government , if you were not afraid of flying and had opted for training to fly how many years would the government expect you to serve after training so it gets its monies worth out of the investment and isn't just subsidising the airlines by having pilots bugger off to the private sector as soon as they get their licence ?

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Hey Dave about all them years you was sucking off the government , if you were not afraid of flying and had opted for training to fly how many years would the government expect you to serve after training so it gets its monies worth out of the investment and isn't just subsidising the airlines by having pilots bugger off to the private sector as soon as they get their licence ?

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Yeah. It must really tick your average non-emigrating Galwegian off: all those Irishmen born, raised, and nurtured of the sod... moving to Canada, America, Australia, and god-knows-where-alia, seeking their own selfish fortune, while the steadfast, stay-home types work their fingers to-the-bone, the bone I say! - building a country into something of which to be proud.

Ingrates.

Rebels.

Non-appreciative, subsidized, resource-suckers.

Non return-on-investment leeches.

Were I such a ticked-off Galwegian, the sheer weight of history might impell me to paint my face, and...

gosh. I dunno what.

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Yeah. It must really tick your average non-emigrating Galwegian off:

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Would you like to guess how many countries I have lived in Kukri ?
How about a guess on what proportion of my life I have spent living and working outside the banana republic ?

As Banquo is want to say gentleman, play the ball not the man.

So far, the last few posts have an "edge" to them, which is permissable. Please do not attempt harsher communicative interaction.

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Hey Dave about all them years you was sucking off the government , if you were not afraid of flying and had opted for training to fly how many years would the government expect you to serve after training so it gets its monies worth out of the investment and isn't just subsidising the airlines by having pilots bugger off to the private sector as soon as they get their licence ?

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An issue since commerciall airlines started. As you yourself point out, they can state long term contracts of service if they like.

Perhaps if they do this the number of pilots will decrease too far.

It seems it's been a swipe at me, now a swipe at Dave. Both are legally doing jobs and not breaking employment law.

Both jobs serve a purpose. Why not have a dig at the MEPs or the mass of back-room paper shufflers?

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Since we have long since stopped discussing this topic, it has decided to retire and start a new career in Bhutan.

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