O frabjous day! Calloo callay!

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Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly

The south and industrialization is a maybe or maybe not more than likely the south would've cracked and be gobbled backed up piece by piece by the north. Except Texas which would've probably gone back to Mexico or managed to eek out a debt ridden existence.

For the south to be a workable entity it needed to industrialise assuming the states could organise themselves well enough industry could have been established... im assuming there were some capable leaders in the south... states right could have been a barrier to success...

There was still an anti-Irish settiment up until the 1920s when those Itals slavs and jews took on the role of the new boogeyman.

Wouldn't mexicans or north north americans become the new boogeymen... overtime at least...

I think the one big thing that would sway me here is every other single european owned, european descended or in europe got rid of slavery through thier own accord eventually...this leads me to think the south would come around to this idea soon enough...

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There were capable leaders in the south but they were staunch state men. The Confederacy win or lose was doomed to fail. Slavery would've been gotten rid of but it would've been a bloody angered affair. Europe never had this kind of slavery on this scale. Blacks outnumbered whites on the Mississippi Delta (and still do) You combine the subhuman aspect with the very real fact you would have allot of the south under black rule, you have a power imputes.

America has changed the definition of mongrel over time to accomadate more people in the "white majority"

You had the
Germans
Irish
Irish/Chinese
Southern/Eastern Euros/Jews
Mexicans
Arabs/Hispanics (mainly Cental Americans "old style latins" tend to be left out)


Of course as WASP whose family built this country I consider them all squatters.

I just have to ask... Is the title of this thread from Alice in Wonderland?

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Originally Posted by woad&fangs

I just have to ask... Is the title of this thread from Alice in Wonderland?

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Through the Looking Glass.

'Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe;
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.

"Beware the Jabberwock, my son!
The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!
Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun
The frumious Bandersnatch!"

He took his vorpal sword in hand:
Long time the manxome foe he sought—
So rested he by the Tumtum tree,
And stood awhile in thought.

And as in uffish thought he stood,
The Jabberwock, with eyes of flame,
Came whiffling through the tulgey wood,
And burbled as it came!

One, two! One, two! and through and through
The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!
He left it dead, and with its head
He went galumphing back.

"And hast thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!"
He chortled in his joy.

'Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe;
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.

“two top guys who changed the world”: ?
Darwin changed a perception of the world, not the world.
Lincoln just followed what other modern nations did before… Just do remember he fought against the secession of the CSA, not for the freedom of the slaves. I think he waited until Antietam to speak about the abolition.
And it was the South which stated the war…

Nowadays, Lincoln would be a war criminal that waged a war against the people will to separate and oppressed minorities.
He denied the Southern Whites of their Rights to express and to live their CULTURE, IMPOSED by FORCE his politic and SUPRESSED their rights. He “uniformised” the so called USA and denied all differences…:laugh4:

And the 12th of February saw me to come in this world as well…:beam: 50 years ago, time is flying...:balloon2:

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BD Brenus! :balloon:
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