EB's Removed Units (Nostalgia thread, not "how to get them back")

I agree. Plus the carpet thing looks sily to me.

Dosidataskeli. I probably the coolest unit in the game. They were a rather recent removal so people should still remember them.

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Originally Posted by Zeibek

Dosidataskeli. I probably the coolest unit in the game. They were a rather recent removal so people should still remember them.

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Agreed, they're even stronger than their Seleucid version, right?

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https://www.europabarbarorum.com/i/u...idataskeli.gif

They got removed??? Weren't this the Goidilic ones?

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Originally Posted by machinor

I don't think, the current skin is overdecorated. Bear in mind that Indian cataphract elephants would be like a Ferrari or Rolls Royce among Hellenistic monarchs: THE compensation for every shortcoming they might have had. They were like the crown jewels of the army. So one may assume that they were quite decorated to inspire awe in the enemy and to show off with one's treasury.

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Precisely.
And that would be also linked to the expression "a white lephant" (as in an expensive, showy but cumbersome nuisance) from the Indian emperors. Likewise, it would be logical to assume that the armoured elephants of the Hellenistic rulers would've been equally expensive and lavish.

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Originally Posted by Zeibek

Dosidataskeli. I probably the coolest unit in the game. They were a rather recent removal so people should still remember them.

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you can get them back (there was a thread about it some weeks ago)

make a backup of "export_descr_buildings"

1 then open "export_descr_buildings"
2 go to search: and type in "dosidataskeli"
3 then 2 long line appear with dosidataskeli inside
4 move to the end of the lines and delete "and hidden_resource not_here"

and they are in...

don´t know about dubosaverlacica and ordmalica

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just proved it:
ordmalica = ordmhornaght
dubosaverlacica = uachtarach duboGaiscaocha

the same like dosidataskeli

a la la

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Originally Posted by bobbin

Also I'm pretty sure these guys were never in EB. https://www.europabarbarorum.com/p/3D/teutonmercs.jpg

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Who were these guys??

Well, it says on the website that they are Teuton Mercs. Dunno what that really means, though.

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Originally Posted by SwissBarbar

They got removed??? Weren't this the Goidilic ones?

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Both the Iberian Dosidataskeli and their Goidelic equivalent were removed, as were the Goidelic Ordemalica (hammermen). I don't recall the Teuton mercs, but that section of the EB website hasn't been updated in a long time. Note for example the Bruttian infantry, which also never made it to the game (IIRC that skin got lost too).

Does anyone have a picture of that removed Yuezhi unit that was mentioned?

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Originally Posted by Ludens

Both the Iberian Dosidataskeli and their Goidelic equivalent were removed, as were the Goidelic Ordemalica (hammermen). I don't recall the Teuton mercs, but that section of the EB website hasn't been updated in a long time. Note for example the Bruttian infantry, which also never made it to the game (IIRC that skin got lost too).

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The bruttian infantry didn't make it into the game? how do you mean that. I had armies with Pezoi Brettioi in my Arverni campaign :inquisitive:

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Originally Posted by Zeibek

Dosidataskeli. I probably the coolest unit in the game. They were a rather recent removal so people should still remember them.

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DEFINETLY! Me and my mates call them "the stormtroopers". They look really frightening with their face covering helmets and they are wearing scale over mail - I mean how can you possibly be cooler? Its like Ferrari, Aston Martin and Porsche building a car together.*

I put them back in aswell as their Irish counterpart and the hammermen. even though they were possibly to few in number to be depicted as a unit. This is something ahistorical I can live with. And besides I hope they will be back in EBII, when you can avoid elite spamasation.

*Im not a petrolhead, just sticking to the car metaphores.

https://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g...RT_II_INFO.jpg https://www.europabarbarorum.com/i/u...mperatoria.gif

Notice the awful head and the woody limbs of the last version. :sweatdrop:

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Originally Posted by Connacht

https://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g...RT_II_INFO.jpg https://www.europabarbarorum.com/i/u...mperatoria.gif

Notice the awful head and the woody limbs of the last version. :sweatdrop:

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I hope that this big head and the fact that they are taller then all other units will be fixed. But that means to change the unit model.

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Originally Posted by ziegenpeter

DEFINETLY! Me and my mates call them "the stormtroopers". They look really frightening with their face covering helmets and they are wearing scale over mail - I mean how can you possibly be cooler? Its like Ferrari, Aston Martin and Porsche building a car together.*

I put them back in aswell as their Irish counterpart and the hammermen. even though they were possibly to few in number to be depicted as a unit. This is something ahistorical I can live with. And besides I hope they will be back in EBII, when you can avoid elite spamasation.

*Im not a petrolhead, just sticking to the car metaphores.

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CARGASM!!!!!!!!:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::beam::yes::2thumbsup :

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Originally Posted by SwissBarbar

The bruttian infantry didn't make it into the game? how do you mean that. I had armies with Pezoi Brettioi in my Arverni campaign :inquisitive:

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He's talking about a particular skin, the unit made it in, just with a different skin

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Does anyone have a picture of that removed Yuezhi unit that was mentioned?

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AFAIK the Yuezhi remained fairly unfinished and only had a few faction specific units made for them before they were removed, of those this is the only one that is not still in the game.
https://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g...PEARMEN_IN.jpg
Sampul Spearmen

Damn you RTW hardcoded unit limit!
Quinctilius Varus, give me back my Irish Hammer Infantry - It's Hammer time!

I don't think any of the units were removed due to unit limitations (EB still has a lot of unit slots left), mostly due to them being found to be ahistorical or in the wrong timeframe.

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Originally Posted by Βελισάριος

Precisely.
And that would be also linked to the expression "a white lephant" (as in an expensive, showy but cumbersome nuisance) from the Indian emperors. Likewise, it would be logical to assume that the armoured elephants of the Hellenistic rulers would've been equally expensive and lavish.

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sianmese kings, not Indian ones.

EDIT: just being a nitpick..

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Originally Posted by Banzai!

Damn you RTW hardcoded unit limit!
Quinctilius Varus, give me back my Irish Hammer Infantry - It's Hammer time!

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:balloon2: for this awesome double reference!

Chairman

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Originally Posted by bobbin

I don't think any of the units were removed due to unit limitations (EB still has a lot of unit slots left), mostly due to them being found to be ahistorical or in the wrong timeframe.

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Specifically, one person campaigned to have the heavy Goidelic units removed because they were ahistorical, and the team's Celtic experts could not be contacted and had not left information about their sources. Unless these sources are found, the units will not make it to EB2. The Dosidataskeli are IIRC historical, but so rare that they would not have been around much.

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Originally Posted by Ibrahim

sianmese kings, not Indian ones.

EDIT: just being a nitpick..

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No, I thank you for that! (Siamese, by the way... spelling)
Actually, shame on me... I didn't even take the time to google the information before posting.

But I have to tell you, those "Storm troopers" really do look great! Much better than the Seleukid version, in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Zett

I hope that this big head and the fact that they are taller then all other units will be fixed. But that means to change the unit model.

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lol these are still the roman legionaires in eb? =P do like i did! as soon as you got your hands on it, find a replacement from some other mod, where you like the look of the cohorts, and rip it into your EB=P Trouble Solved and no matter F-uggly roman cohorts i mean the EB is awesome but those romans just wont fit in with the rest of the mod=S and trust me i love EB and romans

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Originally Posted by bobbin

AFAIK the Yuezhi remained fairly unfinished and only had a few faction specific units made for them before they were removed, of those this is the only one that is not still in the game.
https://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g...PEARMEN_IN.jpg
Sampul Spearmen

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Nice unit.
I would like to reintroduce it in the game, has anybody still got skins, models and whatever is related to these Sampul guys?

https://www.europabarbarorum.com/i/warrior_05.jpg

I've noticed him a long time on the EB page :)

Who was this guy??

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Originally Posted by Connacht

https://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g...RT_II_INFO.jpg https://www.europabarbarorum.com/i/u...mperatoria.gif

Notice the awful head and the woody limbs of the last version. :sweatdrop:

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I think you mean the one on the right side (never played Romans long enough to get them)? He is a great progress over the one on the left. For me the limbs and head are ok. And I would accept the woodiest limbs and most awful heads if they had no longer the wrong helmet and feminalia from the old left guy. :2thumbsup:

Playing the Lusotannan campaign I miss the super heavy ubar elite dosidataskeli a little bit. But the decision of the EB team to remove them was ok.

Darth Stalin made a mini mod to get the old imperial cohorts and evocati (sp) back look for it in the mods section i have it and love it

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Originally Posted by Dutchhoplite

https://www.europabarbarorum.com/i/warrior_05.jpg

I've noticed him a long time on the EB page :)

Who was this guy??

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I think it's an older skin of the Hippeis Xystophoroi (Greek Noble Cavalry)

https://www.europabarbarorum.com/i/u...ystophoroi.gif

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Originally Posted by sgsandor

Darth Stalin made a mini mod to get the old imperial cohorts and evocati (sp) back look for it in the mods section i have it and love it

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Has it been updated to 1.2? I know that their is an updated version of it in ||Lz3||s Mini Mod Pack but I only want to change the skins and I'm too lazy to search the files in the Mini Mod Pack, that are needed to change skin, unitcards and so on.

Ceterum censeo Romam esse delendam

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Originally Posted by Zett

I think it's an older skin of the Hippeis Xystophoroi (Greek Noble Cavalry)[/IMG]

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Either that or the old Hippeis Thessalikoi skin.

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Originally Posted by Tartaros

you can get them back (there was a thread about it some weeks ago)

make a backup of "export_descr_buildings"

1 then open "export_descr_buildings"
2 go to search: and type in "dosidataskeli"
3 then 2 long line appear with dosidataskeli inside
4 move to the end of the lines and delete "and hidden_resource not_here"

and they are in...

don´t know about dubosaverlacica and ordmalica

EDIT:
just proved it:
ordmalica = ordmhornaght
dubosaverlacica = uachtarach duboGaiscaocha

the same like dosidataskeli

a la la

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hmm....

jsut tried this with the dosidataskeli and it didnt work