Speutogordoz

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Originally Posted by Ludens

I doubt it. For good armour-piercing properties you'd expect spearheads to be thin rather than big, so I am guessing the AP is a mistake too.

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on an unrelated note...
I like your taste in censorship Ludens :laugh4:!

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Originally Posted by athanaric

Gaut Spearmen.

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yeah, that's them...

fellas here is the deal:

Phalangitai units have 5 shield value in EB to make them STRONGER in a frontal assult. However, phalangitai units have their other defense values lower so they are WEAKER when hit in the rear.

In EB the Speutogordoz are not represented as phalangitai like the Macedonian version. They are slightly different, from the discussions in this forum when the Speutogordoz were introduced at 1st they were like a Macedonian phalanx, but this was changed.

As for the AP value of Speutogordoz. Their pikes were notorios for having a longer than usual point, and their pikes are NOT like the Macedonian's.

However, these very big spearheads are designed to dish out harm to unarmoured opponents.

Big, broad spearheads = max damage to unarmed, little penetration against armour; Pushing lots of metal surface through much metal surface is hard while against unarmoured you can make huge gashes slashing and stabbing with it). However, against horses it is an excellent option if these are unarmoured (which in that period and area they were).

Slender spearheads = max damage to armoured opponents, not much different to unarmoured (easier to push a small metal area through another metal surface, but you cannot in the same way make huge gashes with slender points).

So perhaps, no AP, but more damage?

Edited to add, Ludens already said that.

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Originally Posted by Macilrille

Big, broad spearheads = max damage to unarmed, little penetration against armour; Pushing lots of metal surface through much metal surface is hard while against unarmoured you can make huge gashes slashing and stabbing with it).

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Which makes totally sense, since there wasnt so much armor around in germania at that time.

How exactly does the AP ability work anyways? Does it entirely neglect the other units armor or is it a partial advantage. For example, when facing a unit like the Dosidataskeli (which sadly has been taken out:no:), I can understand units like the Drapanai being able to penetrate their armor with their Falxes, but not units like the Illyrioi Paraktioi being able to do the same with their clubs.

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Originally Posted by Kevin

How exactly does the AP ability work anyways? Does it entirely neglect the other units armor or is it a partial advantage. For example, when facing a unit like the Dosidataskeli (which sadly has been taken out:no:), I can understand units like the Drapanai being able to penetrate their armor with their Falxes, but not units like the Illyrioi Paraktioi being able to do the same with their clubs.

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AP units take into account only half the armour iirc.

The point with clubs being AP is that they wont be able to penetrate the heavy armour but the force of the blow still goes trough.

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Originally Posted by Macilrille

However, these very big spearheads are designed to dish out harm to unarmoured opponents.

Big, broad spearheads = max damage to unarmed, little penetration against armour; Pushing lots of metal surface through much metal surface is hard while against unarmoured you can make huge gashes slashing and stabbing with it). However, against horses it is an excellent option if these are unarmoured (which in that period and area they were).

Slender spearheads = max damage to armoured opponents, not much different to unarmoured (easier to push a small metal area through another metal surface, but you cannot in the same way make huge gashes with slender points).

So perhaps, no AP, but more damage?

Edited to add, Ludens already said that.

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Spuedogorðoz do have pretty slender spearheads...
I'll try out giving them more lethality (instead of AP,) I'll post the results when I'm done