Re: Man exonerated from prison after 35 years..
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HoreTore
Uhm, no. Out of every murderer in Norway, only three of them have killed on more than one occasion. Out of every murderer ever sentenced to jail in Norway, no-one has ever killed again.
I thought the issue that was discussed here is the risk of murderers, that do not get caught and punished, killing again.
What makes you think that murderers that faced the consequences for their crime and spent 15-20 years in jail are agroup whose behaviour has a lot of relevance for this issue?
I could as well turn your argument around and say that your example proves that it is absolutely necessary for murderers to go to jail to make sure that they never again murder, as none of those who spent their time in jail killed again.
Re: Man exonerated from prison after 35 years..
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Originally Posted by
Ser Clegane
I thought the issue that was discussed here is the risk of murderers, that do not get caught and punished, killing again.
What makes you think that murderers that faced the consequences for their crime and spent 15-20 years in jail are agroup whose behaviour has a lot of relevance for this issue?
Who are these people who kill and get away with it? 96% or something of all murders are solved. What that tiny 4% is doing I don't know, but it's statistically very unlikely that they are able to get more than one murder in that 4%.
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Ser Clegane
I could as well turn your argument around and say that your example proves that it is absolutely necessary for murderers to go to jail to make sure that they never again murder, as none of those who spent their time in jail killed again.
I don't disagree with that. Jail is all about rehabilitation, punishment was abandoned in the late 70's.
Re: Man exonerated from prison after 35 years..
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Originally Posted by
HoreTore
Who are these people who kill and get away with it? 96% or something of all murders are solved.
That might be the case in cuurent Norway - not in HoreTore's hypothetical legal system:
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It's better to let a thousand guilty men walk
Re: Man exonerated from prison after 35 years..
I think that the idea that there should be less than 1 innocent man in jail on 1000 guilty ones is...probably too ambitious.
Just curious HoreTore, have there been any cases in Norway the last couple of years where it turned out that a convicted man was innocent?
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Jail is all about rehabilitation, punishment was abandoned in the late 70's.
In the Neth's it was earlier than that, and after that it was realized that this was far to optimistic.
Retribution still is an important part of punishment, even in countries where they say differently. You can't expect anyone, criminals or people who have thus far not done anything wrong, to avoid criminal behaviour if there's no risk of unpleasant consequenses. Neither can you expect people not to take the law into their own hands if there's not at least a token jail sentence to satisfy their "lust for blood".
Re: Man exonerated from prison after 35 years..
kill em all.... let god sort out their souls *spits*
nah seriously,
you only have 50 murders a year in norway? hmmm.....
Edit: yeah there were 49 murders in norway. which is pretty low per polulation but not the best.
ironically enough the lowest two nations for murders are saudi arabia and qatar who have VERY harsh laws. and quite a few death sentences. which are public......
id like to see statistics in singapore which are renowned for incredibly harsh laws on crime.
Re: Man exonerated from prison after 35 years..
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Centurion1
Edit: yeah there were 49 murders in norway. which is pretty low per polulation but not the best.
ironically enough the lowest two nations for murders are saudi arabia and qatar who have VERY harsh laws. and quite a few death sentences. which are public......
id like to see statistics in singapore which are renowned for incredibly harsh laws on crime.
Norway: 1.06684/100 000
Saudi Arabia: 0.397456/100 000
Singapore: 0.39/100 000
Re: Man exonerated from prison after 35 years..
was it really 1.etc.?
i thought i was a little lower.
oh wait i was looking at per 1000 people.
yea big difference there
Re: Man exonerated from prison after 35 years..
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Kralizec
Just curious HoreTore, have there been any cases in Norway the last couple of years where it turned out that a convicted man was innocent?
Yes. Fredrik Fasting Torgersen was convicted of rape and murder in the 70's, and was found not guilty a few years back(early 00's?).
Can't remember the details though, and the case isn't closed yet.
Only one I can think of atm.
Re: Man exonerated from prison after 35 years..
Can we avoid innocents being put into jail? Not in this world :shrug:
Nothing is perfect in this world, not even judicial systems.
Humans make mistakes, in this case the consequences were terrible. What happened to this man, is one of your worst nightmares. A very sad story, but I'm afraid that the reality is that such things are simply inevitable.
