Don't Worry, Nothing important here

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Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr

Well I don't think you can compare the situation in Ireland and I would argue that it could not be called a colony. But still, yeah, Ireland has some similiarities with the colonies in that English rule still helped haul it out of the dark ages in some respects. As can be testified to by the fact that the heart of the Republic is not out in the middle of Mayo, but in the old centre of Anglo-Irish rule, Dublin, and based a fair bit on the insitutions created there as well.

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Complete rubbish. It wasn't England that hauled Ireland out of the Dark Ages, but Eire that preserved a great deal of Western philosophy and culture through the Dark Ages. You might wish to read outside your narrow sectarian bias. Dublin became important because of the Vikings, not because of the English.

gaelic cowboy is right about the institutions that existed for takeover by the Republic and the unusual relationship between Britain and Ireland that facilitated a smooth (ish) transition.

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Originally Posted by Banquo's Ghost

Dublin became important because of the Vikings, not because of the English.

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It may not have had the fame at that time of Rome or Paris but Dublin was very important trade hub in its own right any city that is around since the 7-8 century must be doing something right

It is Ireland which saved West European civilisation during the Dark Ages.

It is England whose intitutes were established by foreign conquerors, hauling it out of the Dark Ages. As can be testified to by the fact that the heart of England is not out in the middle of Yorkshire, but in London at the southwestern extremity, close to the continent from where Celts, Romans, Normans/French brought conquest, colonisation and culture.

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Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat

It is England whose intitutes were established by foreign conquerors, hauling it out of the Dark Ages. As can be testified to by the fact that the heart of England is not out in the middle of Yorkshire, but in London at the southwestern extremity, close to the continent from where Celts, Romans, Normans/French brought conquest, colonisation and culture.

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To be fair, Anglo-Saxon institutions were considerably more advanced than continental ones at the time of the Conquest - especially in terms of law, commerce and citizens' rights. England was a very rich prize. Yorkshire was actually Danish held from much of the Dark Ages - 'twas Winchester that should have been (and was) the capital of England.

Is there a parallel between Africa today and Britain once the legions had left? If so history suggests that the locals should just be left to themselves, slaughtering and being slaughtered, until someone from outside comes in and stabilises things by gobbling it all up.

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Originally Posted by HoreTore

Another point would be the borders.

In Africa, they're not natural or decided by those who live there. The tension between france and germany lead to two world wars, imagine if someone decided to make a state out of western germany and eastern france.... Of course there would be civil war. Like we see in Africa.

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Don't be an idoit, everyone knows the only ethnic group below the Shara is black

And of course God fearing white SAfricans who are being slaughtered by the blacks whom they gave a guiding Chrisitian hand to all those years, making sure their little brains wouldn't be to overwhelmed by the white mans learning and ways

Most unereving if I do say so myself

I'm fully aware there is basically nothing yall can do to right these wrongs now but in the same vein, dont piss on my boots and tell me its raining

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Originally Posted by Slyspy

Is there a parallel between Africa today and Britain once the legions had left? If so history suggests that the locals should just be left to themselves, slaughtering and being slaughtered, until someone from outside comes in and stabilises things by gobbling it all up.

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I dunno if there is a parallel as in reality there was not as much slaughter as we like to believe, what changed was that a highly urbanised lifestyle became unsustainable after the legions left. (apparently the "Saxon Invasion" is largely a myth or blown out of proportion"

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Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat

It is England whose intitutes were established by foreign conquerors, hauling it out of the Dark Ages. As can be testified to by the fact that the heart of England is not out in the middle of Yorkshire, but in London at the southwestern extremity, close to the continent from where Celts, Romans, Normans/French brought conquest, colonisation and culture.

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To be fair whoever held Britain would have used London as the capital eventually there was a river useful for both defense and trade plus it was close to rich farmland further south and add in easy access to the North Sea and English Channel. The only other place suitable would be on the Severn but it faces the wrong way for trade from Europe, cities are rarely built purely for administration purposes and when they are they generally are pretty antiseptic.

Nobody thought of re-colonisation? Better for us, better for them, we could be more humane this time.

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Originally Posted by Strike For The South

Don't be an idoit, everyone knows the only ethnic group below the Shara is black

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And the only Ethnic group in Europe is white? And the only ethnic groups in Asia are brown (Indian/Nepalese/Pakistani) or yellow (Chinese, Japanese, Mongolian, etc)?

The fact is that there are many different ethnic groups throughout Africa. Only outside of Africa are blacks seen as a single group.

(Do not interpret this comment as an implied support for any other aspect of this discussion)

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Originally Posted by Jaguara

And the only Ethnic group in Europe is white? And the only ethnic groups in Asia are brown (Indian/Nepalese/Pakistani) or yellow (Chinese, Japanese, Mongolian, etc)?

The fact is that there are many different ethnic groups throughout Africa. Only outside of Africa are blacks seen as a single group.

(Do not interpret this comment as an implied support for any other aspect of this discussion)

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*taps Jaguara on the shoulder and whispers "SFTS was being ironic" softly but completely not-gay in his ear*

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Originally Posted by Jaguara

And the only Ethnic group in Europe is white? And the only ethnic groups in Asia are brown (Indian/Nepalese/Pakistani) or yellow (Chinese, Japanese, Mongolian, etc)?

The fact is that there are many different ethnic groups throughout Africa. Only outside of Africa are blacks seen as a single group.

(Do not interpret this comment as an implied support for any other aspect of this discussion)

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You need learn more of Sarcastic Strike. Which is what that post was, 1000%.

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Originally Posted by Jaguara

And the only Ethnic group in Europe is white? And the only ethnic groups in Asia are brown (Indian/Nepalese/Pakistani) or yellow (Chinese, Japanese, Mongolian, etc)?

The fact is that there are many different ethnic groups throughout Africa. Only outside of Africa are blacks seen as a single group.

(Do not interpret this comment as an implied support for any other aspect of this discussion)

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LOL

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Originally Posted by HoreTore

*taps Jaguara on the shoulder and whispers "SFTS was being ironic" softly but completely not-gay in his ear*

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Well I just made his point for all the people who are not used to him/didn't get it!

Embarrassing myself for the betterment of society on a daily basis!

Jaguara

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Originally Posted by HoreTore

Another point would be the borders.

In Africa, they're not natural or decided by those who live there. The tension between france and germany lead to two world wars, imagine if someone decided to make a state out of western germany and eastern france.... Of course there would be civil war. Like we see in Africa.

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Bonus point is that a common colonialist practice was to enforce a minority as the local ruling class (presumably to control it better). No social tension at all because of this... Tutsi and Tamils is examples that I know of.

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Originally Posted by Ironside

Bonus point is that a common colonialist practice was to enforce a minority as the local ruling class (presumably to control it better). No social tension at all because of this... Tutsi and Tamils is examples that I know of.

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You're just jealous because Sweden dind't have a colony after 1905.

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Originally Posted by Skullheadhq

You're just jealous because Sweden dind't have a colony after 1905.

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That should be 1878 I think. I doubt Norway or Wismar enjoy being called colonies.

Checkmate it seems.

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Originally Posted by Chuchip

I find it interesting that he's a "pro-democracy activist", yet he refuses to step down when he loses the election. I guess he's only pro-democracy if he's the one who gets to be in charge.

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one man, one vote................................. once!