What does these nations have in common?

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Originally Posted by Hooahguy

Yeah, I listened to it, but its nowhere near as good as the Swedish version.

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Well mate, sorry. That's just how it is.

I am blessed I speak 3 languages, I have such a musical depth to dive into...

I honestly don't believe good lyrics can be translated:

San Quentin, you've been livin' hell to me
You've hosted me since nineteen sixty three
I've seen 'em come and go and I've seen them die
And long ago I stopped askin' why

St. Quentin, du har varit ett levande helvete för mig.
Jag har varit inneboende hos dig sen nittånhundrasextiotre.
Jag har sett dem komma, och jag har sett dem dött.
Och det var var längesen jag slutade fråga varför.

I have no problems translating the song... But can I translate Johnny Cash? **** NO!!

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Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV

Bingo!

I found the list absolutely fascinating... The only 22 modern countries not to have been invaded by the UK. And given the history, yeah, it's strange that Sweden aint on the list.

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We can think of plenty more.

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Originally Posted by Shaka_Khan

We can think of plenty more.

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Go on then...

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Originally Posted by HoreTore

The claim in the OP is made with the widest possible definition of invasion, and I believe it refers to the actions taking place in WW2 and possibly the Napoleonic war.

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In the officer programs, I was taught that an invasion technically is 10+ guys, in uniform, on service, crossing a boarder without being welcomed. I also got taught that the number 10 was based on a normal honor guard for dignitaries.

Anyway, you might find it somewhat humorous that I actually lead the last Swedish invasion of Norway. Many a history book has it down to being some stupid Swedish king, but nah, it was me.

Long story short, I lead a combat group (if I remember it right 2 squads with specialists from 4 squads) in our northern arctic mountain regions, a HELL of a hard simulation btw. Anyway, sneaky bastard as I am, I took a detour to outflank the opposition. However, weather hit us HARD with storm winds and -40 degrees, so we sought shelter digging down in the snow.

I was gently awakened by one of my troopers rappidly poking me with his gun, informing me someone would like to have a word. Dug my way out to find my 4 lookouts playing the happy trigger game with Jegerkompaniet guys.

The boarders up there are rather sketchy at best, but we had obviously crossed it. They had been out on a simultaneous training thingy, and had observed us.

We all just had a laugh though, and exchanged rations and souvenirs :)

STILL, I am technically responsible for having invaded Norway :)

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Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV

In the officer programs, I was taught that an invasion technically is 10+ guys, in uniform, on service, crossing a boarder without being welcomed. I also got taught that the number 10 was based on a normal honor guard for dignitaries.

Anyway, you might find it somewhat humorous that I actually lead the last Swedish invasion of Norway. Many a history book has it down to being some stupid Swedish king, but nah, it was me.

Long story short, I lead a combat group (if I remember it right 2 squads with specialists from 4 squads) in our northern arctic mountain regions, a HELL of a hard simulation btw. Anyway, sneaky bastard as I am, I took a detour to outflank the opposition. However, weather hit us HARD with storm winds and -40 degrees, so we sought shelter digging down in the snow.

I was gently awakened by one of my troopers rappidly poking me with his gun, informing me someone would like to have a word. Dug my way out to find my 4 lookouts playing the happy trigger game with Jegerkompaniet guys.

The boarders up there are rather sketchy at best, but we had obviously crossed it. They had been out on a simultaneous training thingy, and had observed us.

We all just had a laugh though, and exchanged rations and souvenirs :)

STILL, I am technically responsible for having invaded Norway :)

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My platoon also invaded Sweden.

Old news, happens every year. Mostly because of excercises between Bardu and Finnmark.

And yes, the widest possible definition of invasion is the uninvited border crossing of a military ground unit, that was what I was referring to.

When did the brits ever invade Peru? Brazil? Georgia? Armenia?

I do wonder though, if the list would be much different if we remove also the countries invaded by France, Spain, Portugal, and Russia.

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Originally Posted by Hooahguy

On a somewhat relevant note, Im getting more into Swedish metal, and I want to learn to at least understand Swedish. Whats the best way to do this? Ive already established that Rosetta Stone fails hard, at least for me.

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While I agree with Kadagar that good lyrics takes quite a bit of experience to fully get, it helps with exposure.

In general, watching programs in Swedish with English subtitles would probably be best for general exposure. Not the easiest to get though, a few movies I guess. Swedish texts for English programs should be quite easy to find (we subtext everything), but you'll get quite a bit of accent. We have long vovels that's a bit rare.
At least some parts of the US it shouldn't be so hard to find people interested in Swedish that can help. You're at a university correct?

Grammar and word order shouldn't be to hard to catch up on, it's mostly the same.

Overkill is of course an exchange student, but you'll learn a lot if you want to. That said, you have to want to, you can live perfectly fine with only English in Sweden.

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Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV

I have no problems translating the song... But can I translate Johnny Cash? **** NO!!

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Song translations is really hard. Rythm and rhyme are essential and you still need to translate the meaning of the text.

Edit: We lose out on the list if you include Russia. The others have never invaded Sweden.

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Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV

I found the list absolutely fascinating... The only 22 modern countries not to have been invaded by the UK. And given the history, yeah, it's strange that Sweden aint on the list.

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it's the way we roll. ;)

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Originally Posted by SwordsMaster

When did the brits ever invade Peru? Brazil? Georgia? Armenia?

I do wonder though, if the list would be much different if we remove also the countries invaded by France, Spain, Portugal, and Russia.

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I'm guessing here, but:

For Brazil and Peru I'm thinking minor actions during colonial times. For Georgia and Armenia I'm guessing at either the wars against Russia or ww1.

Sweden is a bit iffy if you get into technicalities.

They were at war with Britain from 1810 to 1812. But British ships were stationed at Hanö.

This was officially allowed but if British sailors went into town, could that not be considered an invasion in the broadest possible terms? But then again if a British sailor got to town he was likely deserting anyway.

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Originally Posted by Fisherking

Sweden is a bit iffy if you get into technicalities.

They were at war with Britain from 1810 to 1812. But British ships were stationed at Hanö.

This was officially allowed but if British sailors went into town, could that not be considered an invasion in the broadest possible terms? But then again if a British sailor got to town he was likely deserting anyway.

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No, they have to cross uninvited in their capacity as a military force.

For example, when our supply trucks took the shortcut through Sweden to get to an excercise in Finnmark, that counted as an invasion. When we were on leave and crossed the border looking for cheap alcohol and cheaper women, it did not count.

But I would hazard a guess that the count in question here only counts instances where the force is also looking to do some killin' and such... Especially when considering how rubbish British military drivers are at navigating and driving in general. I'm quite sure they've got lost and crossed the swedish border several times during excercises in Norway.

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Originally Posted by SwordsMaster

When did the brits ever invade Peru? Brazil? Georgia? Armenia?

I do wonder though, if the list would be much different if we remove also the countries invaded by France, Spain, Portugal, and Russia.

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take a gander at :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British...Do_de_la_Plata

I cant find anything about Georgia per say but after they declared independence from Russia after the first world war they were under British protection for 2 years (1918-1920) so maybe that counts

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Originally Posted by SwordsMaster

When did the brits ever invade Peru? Brazil? Georgia? Armenia?

I do wonder though, if the list would be much different if we remove also the countries invaded by France, Spain, Portugal, and Russia.

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Actions by British privateers were also counted. And I'm sure the British have attacked Spanish harbours and ports in Peru and perhaps Portugese or Dutch in Brazil.

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Originally Posted by Kralizec

Good luck to Kadagar then, finding a woman in Vatican city...

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Yeah, bummer. On the other hand, ff he were a small boy, he could score there big time.

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Originally Posted by Tellos Athenaios

There are plenty, many of them would be nuns. Heck, the Vatican used to have a strip club church where former strippers nuns would perform holy dances. Where is Vladimir when you need him?

Also, there are the tourists.

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I had formal citizens in mind, and I always assumed that only male clergy were formal citizens. Glancing at wiki it seems I was wrong though.

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Originally Posted by Sarmatian

Yeah, bummer. On the other hand, ff he were a small boy, he could score there big time.

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Naughty! I was wondering if someone would respond with something like that.

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Originally Posted by Kralizec

Naughty! I was wondering if someone would respond with something like that.

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C'mon, catholic priests and sex in the same sentence? It was bound to happen.

I suppose so. I might have done it myself but PVC doesn't approve of me posting cleric jokes ~:(

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Originally Posted by Kralizec

I suppose so. I might have done it myself but PVC doesn't approve of me posting cleric jokes ~:(

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Tell him to suck a funny bone, the catholics are one of the few people who can still be ridiculed, enjoy it while it lasts.