Why this adulation for Ghandi, this fraud?

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Originally Posted by Slyspy

I think he means that they turned out to be just people after all.

As for Greyblades' "joined India and Britain" I can't even imagine how that would have worked.

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Gritted teeth and a lot of patience. Stranger things have happened and few more deserving.

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Originally Posted by Brenus

About Ghandi and the Non-violence: George Orwell had to say about him:
Gandhi has been regarded for twenty years by the Government of India as one of its right hand men. I know what I'm talking about-I used to be an officer in the Indian police. It was always admitted in the most cynical way that Gandhi made it easier for the British to rule India, because his influ#ence was always against taking any action that would make any difference.
The reason why Gandhi when in prison is always treated with such lenience and small concessions sometimes made when he has prolonged one of his fasts to a dangerous extent, is that the British officials are in terror that he may die and be replaced by someone who believes less in "soul force " and more in bombs.

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That would be a sign of non-violence. It's persistant rather than anything. Taking very aggressive non-violence actions may very well force the other part to use large scale violence, which will quickly escalate. India was quite a big powder cag and you had people like Chandra Bose (who joined the Axis during WWII) as influencial players.

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Originally Posted by Brenus

“these Loyalist British and Americans just love to Colonize and plunder” Dam right.:laugh4: And what is this in relation with my point of an overrated hero?

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Because These Insults or So Called Criticizes to gandhi is by your lovely Imperialists that hate him!! no normal person with no Imperialistic Political View can hate gandhi!

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Originally Posted by Brenus

“not even rebellion” You should read more about recent history of India.

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i know, i meant an angry rebellion led by Gandhi himself not peoples by themselves!! Gandhi Denied any violence, he just encouraged people to sit-in like the SALT Strike.

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Originally Posted by Brenus

“what have YOU done for the world?!” Personal Attack: Well, I could point out that I went to Kurdistan after Desert Storm Operation and Provide Comfort, and I (not only) save the life of a small girl in giving my blood in a village near Erbil.Attachment 9271
I, with others, refurbished the Local health Center and I, with others, had a vaccination Campaign for the young Children for the valleys in the neighbourhood. Ah, I was near to forget: evacuation of the injured civilians during the Turkish Air Attacks against the so-called bases of the PKK..Attachment 9270

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What?! your Soldier?! and How an AGED soldier (because it was 1991 and now you must be upper than 45!!) have plenty of time to play Total War and be Online in ORG for most of his time?!!!!
anyway we suppose your right, but in 1991 USA Promised Kurds to help them against Saddam Genocide and there to be autonomous, but as soon as Saddam left Kuwait they betrayed the Kurds and they left too, shamefuly, so no major war was in Kurdistan in time of US Invasion, the war started when USA left, and it was then, that time when Franceua Miteran(dont know spelling french) requested for 3 years!!, to pass No-Fly Border in Kurdistan of Iraq's Skies.(The Land War Continued!) AND The Turkish Bombards was in the Area where was peace and there was no american army there, americans were in southern while the northern and center was safe & in Peace!!(and 90% Bombards were after 2008)
so any other lies ?! AT ALL, how can a good man hate an undeniable Peace & Freedom Symbol of Humanity?!(whether you agree with it or not)

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Originally Posted by Brenus

You approve the fact that an old man, in order to test himself asked to sleep with naked (very) young virgins is ok for you, then you claim a moral superiority…
“it was your USA & BRITAIN”: ?:laugh4:

“And his views were not always popular; "abnormal and unnatural" was how the first Prime Minister of independent India, Jawaharlal Nehru, described Gandhi's advice to newlyweds to stay celibate for the sake of their souls.” “(which included, alongside his famed chastity, sleeping naked next to nubile, naked women to test his restraint)” The Independent, 07 APRIL 2010. Article from Jad Adams, Book: Gandhi: Naked Ambition is published by Quercus .

“Eighteen-year-old Abha, the wife of Gandhi's grandnephew Kanu Gandhi, rejoined Gandhi's entourage in the run-up to independence in 1947 and by the end of August he was sleeping with both Manu and Abha at the same time.” “While in Bengal to see what comfort he could offer in times of inter-communal violence in the run-up to independence, Gandhi called for his 18-year-old grandniece Manu to join him – and sleep with him”. Great. No?

About Ghandi and the Non-violence: George Orwell had to say about him:
Gandhi has been regarded for twenty years by the Government of India as one of its right hand men. I know what I'm talking about-I used to be an officer in the Indian police. It was always admitted in the most cynical way that Gandhi made it easier for the British to rule India, because his influ#ence was always against taking any action that would make any difference.
The reason why Gandhi when in prison is always treated with such lenience and small concessions sometimes made when he has prolonged one of his fasts to a dangerous extent, is that the British officials are in terror that he may die and be replaced by someone who believes less in "soul force " and more in bombs.

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ah and thats some other ****ing lies & False propagandas Those damn Imperialists say!!!! what! you want people Believe the words(Lies) from the Enemies of the India & The World?!! you bring sources from ENGLISH(& American) Colonists and Imperialists that Their Great Power and Cruelty was defeated and Kneel ed before Gandhi's Powerful Peace andlenity?!!! and thus, they hate him, the cause of The End Of Colonization and Slavery & Great Profits from India?!?!?!? now thats why you hate him!!! you are just a supporter if Imperials and their Lies, what much should i expect ?!!

Anyway, not you nor your Imperialist Friends can blacken The Great Personality of a Peace & Prosperity & Freedom & Purity & Fighting Peacefully against Tyranny & Oppression & Colonizations Symbol in Human's History That was not even Darkned in his years of Prison & Torture in English Jails!!
how can a man both be lust worshiper and The Peace & Freedom Fighter!!?? maybe MAYBE he has done somethings in his Younger age,and nothing truly shameful, just Naturality of Younger ages, but in times of taking action for the world's Peace & Freedom, no doubt that he will FAIL!! because he is lying or the way false!! we had so much people did for peace & Freedom for the people in the world against tyranny & oppression & Imperialism, but many failed, and only some Like: Jesus, Martin Luther King, Mother Teresa, Nilson Mandela.....came out prosperous and successful and Being Loved & Worshiped!! so how a deviated man can Win and shake the Great Imperialistic Power?!!

i think you and your Imperialist Friends hate This kind of symbols and Ideologies and make Lies for them, because 1. The Imperialist Rulers & Governments of yours see it against their Slavering & Colonization Benefits, so the Blacking and Insulting Propaganda Starts!! 2. because Western countries did not/have not/will not have these Great Peoples. Mother Teresa & martin Luther King & ... does not Represent Westerns, Christians & Black People fought against Racism, i dont think they represent the Western!!
plus, you couldnt even have a Lie reply for others of my tells that you didnt mention it!(Somehow jumped & absconded!) because you dont have anything to say!!

and sorry, i dont mean any offense or insult to you, i just cant accept ignorance & listening to some lies by the Powerful, to make you believe what is not !! i will defend Peace & Freedom and its Leaders & symbols until my death & to last blood, Against the Dictators and Imperialists!!

Hope Freedom and Peace For All Universe !!

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Originally Posted by Brenus

A question: Am I the only one irritated when people put Ghandi as a political model, a racist, deeply Hindu so believing in the natural inequality and supporter of the Caste system, paedophile and incestuous, the man who always supported the strongest and the richest? The man who told the Jews to obey to Hitler? His politic was a complete and total failure, but he got credit for the Independence (allegedly peaceful, of you don’t count the hundreds of thousands who lost their lives during the process) against a Power that was ready to give it if you were not Communist (and Ghandi was far of it).

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Same thing as Mother Teresa, a very good PR campaign.
you push the good angle, and the bad stuff stays hidden or is even just actively ignored by the majority.

Writing in red making it more what? Real?

First who told you I was a soldier? Second, you accused me to be a liar, it is a pure insult.
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I was 32, not THAT old… I will pass on your accusation of being lazy or unemployed, even if the two are not related as the Conservative Media try to let us believe.

I know it is hard for you, but you have to deal with the reality, and not with phantasms.

So, Nehru (the man who brought independence to India) was an imperialist lackey, when he said that Ghandi sexuality was “abnormal and unnatural”

You answer to the facts that are presented for debate by shouts, insults and denegation. Bring facts against what I say. Did Ghandi slept with nubile young underage girls: yes.
Did he sleep with his grand-niece (polite way to say having sex): yes.
These facts are not denied by his followers/admirations, they are minimized. I don’t.
There are enough pictures of him and the 2 young girls to sustain this.

Come with proofs contradicting that my sources. By the way, I have 3 sources: Indian, English (in favour of Ghandi) and Socialist movement. Yes, I am a lefty. Sorry. The reference to Orwell should have given you a hint, and everybody knows that Orwell was a horrible Imperialist…

About supporting imperialism and so, I prefer to laugh. This kind of vocabulary was employed in the past, by the like of the Gestapo or GEPEOU. You don’t know me, don’t know my history, and the little I gave you, you even don’t understand it.

By the way, Ghandi was never tortured by the English, Some more dangerous opponents were, not him. Well, each time a social movement could endangered the English Empire, he pulled the strike off (1919, 1922, 1930 etc)…

Ghandi didn’t push the English out. The English left because they wanted to do so. It was better to leave the countries to self-exploit and it save money. They will finance the police and the army that will kill the strikers. Do you notice that no country break ties with the former Colonial Power? Even Algeria, having gained its independence after a long and bloody war against France, exported his youth to go to work in the French Factories…

Ghandi was there just to deliver the intact factories to his Indian Landlords and factories owners Friends.

You, my friend, are the toy and the puppet of the Imperialists, not me.