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So it's a good thing that CA focuses on (useless) bling rather than actually improving the game? It yielding more profit makes it "right"? So Game developers are not supposed to improve their games?

Well if that's the way people today think I think I need my moral compass realigned.

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Originally Posted by ReluctantSamurai

Judging by pre-sale orders (which some place at 6X that of Shogun II), I'd say that both the former and the latter have already happened:quiet:

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That says nothing of returning fans. I know that I will not be buying it till it is dirt cheap because I really do not like what I see.

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Originally Posted by ReluctantSamurai

Well, you can always fire up a game of the original STW or MTW:rolleyes:

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No one is saying they want clones of the original games RS, and I am not sure what would make you believe that. All people are saying is that instead of just focusing on adding floors onto their building, they should also be spending some time to fix the foundation.

I am glad that they add new features...I just would rather they add a few less and spend a bit more time working on improving the very heart of the game which is as flawed as its first inception!

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Originally Posted by Vuk

That says nothing of returning fans. I know that I will not be buying it till it is dirt cheap because I really do not like what I see.



No one is saying they want clones of the original games RS, and I am not sure what would make you believe that. All people are saying is that instead of just focusing on adding floors onto their building, they should also be spending some time to fix the foundation.

I am glad that they add new features...I just would rather they add a few less and spend a bit more time working on improving the very heart of the game which is as flawed as its first inception!

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This.

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Originally Posted by Ca Putt

So it's a good thing that CA focuses on (useless) bling rather than actually improving the game? It yielding more profit makes it "right"? So Game developers are not supposed to improve their games?

Well if that's the way people today think I think I need my moral compass realigned.

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You bring up a good point here. A game designer is more than just a money making machine. He is also supposed to be an artist who cares about delivering the best possible product to his customers. Yes, he is morally obligated to try his hardest to turn a good profit as well (since he is living off of and using someone else's money), but this doesn't diminish the fact that he is an artist. His obligations to his fan-base are just as important as to his investors. He needs to strike a balance that does wrong to neither of them. Most modern game companies unfortunately have their obligations horribly unbalanced in the favor of investors. CA is guilty of this to an extent (true, not half as bad as others, but if consumers don't speak with their wallets, it will get worse). I like CA, and love that they are one of the few developers out there that have not sold out to the console-money-making crowd. I just think it is said that they put supposed profit above improving their games in this case.

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That says nothing of returning fans.

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I would venture a guess that a pretty big chunk of those gamers on the pre-order list are returning fans. There's been an insistent clamor for a RTW remake since M2TW that is finally getting its due....

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You bring up a good point here. A game designer is more than just a money making machine. He is also supposed to be an artist who cares about delivering the best possible product to his customers. Yes, he is morally obligated to try his hardest to turn a good profit as well (since he is living off of and using someone else's money), but this doesn't diminish the fact that he is an artist. His obligations to his fan-base are just as important as to his investors.

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Really? Sez who? It's money that fills the sails of any game developers ship.....millions, to make games of TW's scope. The fan-base determines how long the developer gets to sail, and often times to where. Now sitting in front of your PC's monitor, you may feel that CA has failed to deliver a good product. Funny how you keep coming back to the well (even if it's to get the "Gold Edition" months later) to purchase a "flawed" product. That there are several CA staff members who post here at the .org says to me that they do care what their fans think.

Don't get me wrong, here. My list of faults with TW games is as long as my arm...and anyone who has read any of my posts at the RTW or STW Forums has a pretty good idea of what they are. But.......when I get frustrated for the umpteenth time about a particular feature that has me completely exasperated, I simply remove the disc from the drive, and get my gaming fix from elsewhere. This goes for any game....name me one that doesn't have flaws (even the venerable Baldur's Gate, one of my all-time favs, has required multiple MB-sized patches and fixes to make things right).

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if consumers don't speak with their wallets, it will get worse

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But consumers are speaking with their wallets....you just happen to not like what they are saying.

I guess Jack didn't see fit to address this. I didn't think they would.

Rule # 73 of software development: making new features is more fun than fixing existing bugs, therefore whenever possible code new features rather than fix bugs (and because there is no glory inside the hierarchy of CA or any place for those that code fixes for existing implementation vs. those who code and show off new stuff).