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rvg
I wonder why the Army is silent. Did the Ergenekon trial really do that much damage to the army's standing?
Definitely. Many army officials from all ranks most of whom were convicted were released recently before the elections on the hope that the army would stand beside Erdogan in this battle between AKP and Cemaat.
However since most of them were sentenced by planted evidences, none felt grateful enough to stand by him about which Erdogan openly expressed the disappointment later on.
Certain AKP officials told the media that "the army had been framed by Cemaat". One wonders what the government was doing for 7 years while the most speculative trial of the Republic history was being held. One wonders why it was the PM who was screaming "I AM the prosecutor of this case" in 2007.
RTE is simply the worst thing ever happened to Turkey.
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It is called high level corruption and voter fraud.
The US just does it a little more discreetly. Like 64% voter turnout and districts reporting 110% voter participation. And no one say a word.
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Fisherking
It is called high level corruption and voter fraud.
The US just does it a little more discreetly. Like 64% voter turnout and districts reporting 110% voter participation. And no one say a word.
Because serious complaints would involve close scrutiny across the board....and neither of the two parties would benefit.
I remember some political pundits evaluating the election of 1960 saying that Nixon should be praised for not putting the country through political turmoil even though it was obvious that, at a minimum, Cook County (Chicago) had voted the graveyards etc. for Kennedy and that a change in votes there could literally have changed the electoral results.
My dad, a bit more cynically, said Nixon hadn't protested Cook County because then the whole state would have been reviewed and they would have noted the huge Republican graveyard effort down near Cairo. Of course, in that election, my Dad had apparently voted for Kennedy in both PA and NY -- though he only went personally to the polls in NY. He learned about his other vote when he got tapped by Philadelphia for wage taxes. In disputing the claim -- my dad lived in NY at the time and NJ thereafter -- the tax supervisor in Philadelphia told my dad that he had the record of him voting in the election of November 1960 in the Cottman avenue precinct where his parents lived! My dad said he had could both prove he'd voted in NY and that he worked there exclusively at the time for the FAA and queried the tax supervisor as to whether they wanted this issue to go public. Funnily enough my dad received a quit claim from the Phila. revenue office within 3 days....
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It's been 2 days since Constitutional Court -highest level of jurisdiction- reached the verdict that banning of Twitter is an "obstruction of civil rights", the verdict's even been published in Official Journal, however the Presidency of Telecommunication (TİB - responsible for the actions on websites) is yet to do anything about it.
In other words, law is simply crippled over here. Public institutions can postpone to care about what jurisdiction decides on because it should first comply with Erdogan's plans. Every official is afraid to make a move -even though it is the right thing to do- for they would not want to attract his wrath.
No wonder why Putin was among the first to congratulate him on the elections victory.
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It's been 2 days since Constitutional Court -highest level of jurisdiction- reached the verdict that banning of Twitter is an "obstruction of civil rights", the verdict's even been published in Official Journal, however the Presidency of Telecommunication (TİB - responsible for the actions on websites) is yet to do anything about it.
Erdogan might be channeling Andrew Jackson here...
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LeftEyeNine
It's been 2 days since Constitutional Court -highest level of jurisdiction- reached the verdict that banning of Twitter is an "obstruction of civil rights", the verdict's even been published in Official Journal, however the Presidency of Telecommunication (TİB - responsible for the actions on websites) is yet to do anything about it.
And now it becomes illegal, re: our conversation in another thread.
It's really sad how one idiot can undermine the struggle for a modern state that started almost a 100 years ago. My condolences.
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Twitter ban lifted as of yesterday, however tech-savvy users who happened to ping Twitter and Google at the same time found out that it takes ten times as much than getting to Google. Following some DOS commands to see what the requests are going through, they've also discovered that our DNSs are being hijacked, Twitter requests visit a certain Turkish "checkpoint" and another in Frankfurt then reaches Twitter servers. It is hard not to think that records of Twitter users are being recorded that way.
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something anyway besides silence : http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26880891
Now, it there was some reporting on the election and how people are taking it....
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Fisherking
I've seen some in Swedish media. Basically, the election is counted as "fair enough" as in the reported cheating doesn't majorly change the results. A lot of worries for the oppression/suppression and polarisation.
Erdogan's support is reported to be mostly poor people who have gotten it economically better and who aren't that supporting of the urban secular middle class (read religious, rural underclass are Erdogan's supporters).
