Why is the danger of fake weapons ignored?

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Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV

3. It's not like policemen really get rich... I think they go to work to make the world a better place. There are of course exceptions, like in all professions.

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Most jobs don't offer the prospect of getting rich. And even then, I doubt most fast food workers do their job out of passion for fast food.

It's possible that policemen may take up the job altruistically. But it also offers a chance to be brutish and be applauded for it and I'm sure there are people who join the force for that reason.

Sorry Kad, the video makes it look more like an execution than a police intervention.
They must have been late for lunch, or something equally important.

BTW, here's what the police witness report said about the situation. Compare it to the video.

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1. Police said that Tamir Rice was seated at a table with other people.

2. Police said that as they pulled up, they saw Tamir Rice grab the gun and put it in his waistband.

3. Police said they got out of the car and told Tamir Rice three times to put his hands up but he refused.

4. Police said that Tamir Rice then reached into his waistband and pulled out the gun, and was then shot and killed by Officer Timothy Loehmann.

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Yeah, that seems like a pretty accurate report. :rolleyes:

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3. Police said they got out of the car and told Tamir Rice three times to put his hands up but he refused.

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The police think they're safe with this one, but - what if it were true?

Then it would be even worse:

Police call from a distance for a person to disarm three times, and are refused each time.

In response, they drive right up to the individual - and demand surrender again, but from a meter away???

Well, at least Rice was such a good sport, standing passively in wait for the police car to drive up to his feet, given that he apparently had enough bravado to refuse to obey the cops multiple times.

And only reached for the (fake) gun once the car had driven up and its door was opening. See, what a gentleman.

:rolleyes:

Why is the danger of fake weapons ignored? Same reason the danger of real weapons are ignored: americans forgetting compromise also requires something from you instead of just the opponent.

They actually taught us in school that toy guns are bad because we have this time once a year, where everyone dresses up and runs around with toy guns (no, not halloween). I remember having a teacher in class tell us that we should consider leaving the toy guns at home because it's not good to run around shooting toy guns at each other in public when there are other people doing shit that requires concentration.

At the time, it was all a load of bullshit and I'll wave my toygun into anyone's face! Toy guns are fun and make smoke!

I think this is a societal thing though. It's probably much easier to get some people to understand that toy guns might be bad.

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Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV

LOL... :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:

Yes, a handful of seconds is enough... Heck, half a second is enough if someone seemingly reach for a gun or lunge at you.

I guess you live in an academic lala land, and have no experience with real threat situations.

I have been aiming an assault rifle at a person, and I would have shot him instantly had he done anything stupid.

Why? Because that was my JOB, and I want to get home around 5 o'clock and be with the people I love. I think this is the point people like you just don't get.

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So you hated the job? =p

Unreckognisable weapons are worse, shooting pens, phones that are really a gun, that sort of stuff. I got an iphone that is really a taser, police will never see that it's a taser. Tasers are pretty harmless but a slow .22 is nasty.

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Originally Posted by Greyblades

Why is the danger of fake weapons ignored? Same reason the danger of real weapons are ignored: americans forgetting compromise also requires something from you instead of just the opponent.

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At least our government doesn't let politicians openly rape children.

I am fascinated by guns, something I do not tell my fellow Germans very often.
I used to remove the little red thing in the barrel of my toy gun myself as a kid.
I do not remember anyone ever thinking it was a real gun.
Children play, but apparently that is too much for some in the home of the brave?
Would people also chave called the police if real guns were not everywhere in the country and were not seen as a permanent safety threat?

Don't worry it's lust incrediby fun to shoot at things. According to study men aren't mature untill they are 50.Not living things by the way, but it's fun to destroy a matermelon

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Would people also chave called the police if real guns were not everywhere in the country and were not seen as a permanent safety threat?

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Well, some people see it this way:

"Guns don't kill people - dangerous minorities with guns kill people'.

For example, our own Panzerjaeger!

Don't worry it's lust incrediby fun to shoot at things. According to study men aren't mature untill they are 50.

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Originally Posted by a completely inoffensive name

At least our government doesn't let politicians openly rape children.

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Eh?

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Originally Posted by Greyblades

Eh?

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elm_Gu..._abuse_scandal

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westmi...ophile_dossier

Ok, firstly I'm pretty sure none of that is open beyond "recently found out, is being investigated and likely to cause some heads to roll."

Secondly if you dont think, with it's size and equally dubious substance, the american government isnt also harbouring it's own kiddy fiddler rings I have a bridge I'd like to sell you. Give it some time, our Savile will be matched with your Cosby.

ACIN is correct. American politicians don't rape kids openly.

They prefer to save the penetration for adult citizens.

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Originally Posted by Greyblades

Ok, firstly I'm pretty sure none of that is open beyond "recently found out, is being investigated and likely to cause some heads to roll."

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The dossier was openly talked about in the 1980s.....

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Secondly if you dont think, with it's size and equally dubious substance, the american government isnt also harbouring it's own kiddy fiddler rings I have a bridge I'd like to sell you. Give it some time, our Savile will be matched with your Cosby.

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Until the evidence comes out on this side of the Atlantic, you can't claim moral equivalence just because you don't like America.

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Originally Posted by a completely inoffensive name

The dossier was openly talked about in the 1980s...

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...Yeah, I dont know, what the :daisy: happend there. Why the hell didnt that dossier get into the public eye. It's the sort of thing that would get me so riled up I would go into politics to attempt a Cincinnatus, if I actually had the confidence to do so anyway.

I say a Cincinnatus instead of a Napoleon or Ceasar because I cant see myself ever being bothered enough to try keeping it up for more than a decade.

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Until the evidence comes out on this side of the Atlantic, you can't claim moral equivalence just because you don't like America.

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Isn't that what you were doing? If I wanted to do equivilence I'd pull out guantanamo bay, then you'd pull out the indian massacres after which I'll pull the trail of tears, which you will reply with the irish famine, I'll mention the japanese internment camps, and you'll counter with the boer camps. After that we'll keep going back and forth, us doing the slave triangle, you continuing slavery long after we stopped, all until we get to the debunking of the justifications of nuking japan by which you'll call me a limey bastard and I'll call you a yankie twat and we stop talking to eachother for 2 months.

Lets skip all that and go back to the main point: I say the reason this sort of thing happens is because your government cant do anything about it because your government's ability to respond has been crippled by a party that thinks compromise means getting the other guy so fed up he gives up in frustration. Add in the almost rabid response the NRA makes when so much as a background check is proposed and all these shootings become inevitable.I wouldn't be so angry if my own nation wasnt in a semi symbiotic relationship with yours, your governments dysfuction might hamper my own, and I am also concerned that sort of politics will jump the pond.

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Originally Posted by Greyblades

Ok, firstly I'm pretty sure none of that is open beyond "recently found out, is being investigated and likely to cause some heads to roll."

Secondly if you dont think, with it's size and equally dubious substance, the american government isnt also harbouring it's own kiddy fiddler rings I have a bridge I'd like to sell you. Give it some time, our Savile will be matched with your Cosby.

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Do such cabals exist? The odds, sadly, make it likely.

However, if you meant "harboring" to suggest any measure of condoning it, then I emphatically disagree.

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Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh

Do such cabals exist? The odds, sadly, make it likely.

However, if you meant "harboring" to suggest any measure of condoning it, then I emphatically disagree.

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People didn't condone it here, they simply didn't give it any credence, because that was hard.

Anyway - you had the Catholic Priest scandal - which is exactly the same, if not worse.

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Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh

However, if you meant "harboring" to suggest any measure of condoning it, then I emphatically disagree.

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Absolutely not. I am under no delusions that the american people are more predisposed to tolerating paedophillia than anyone else, (*) but ACIN's first reply to me implied (intentionaly or not) that Britain is, and that's not exactly going to engender a brotherly feeling or result in a measured discourse, you know.

Additionally this happened before I was born and it wasnt one of the things that we were taught in history class, not that that was particularly unusual, considering.



(*)the american political class on the other hand is less certain, though at this point I am so jaded that if it turns out that they were baby eating lizard people all along it would only serve to reassure me that at least the :daisy: they were doing over the last few years actually had some intelligence behind it.

All I see are a lot of Anglo-Saxons arguing about who of their sub-groups leads the world in terms of paedophilia-acceptance and who is only second. ~;)

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Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla

People didn't condone it here, they simply didn't give it any credence, because that was hard.

Anyway - you had the Catholic Priest scandal - which is exactly the same, if not worse.

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Mother Church was deeply hurt by that "sweep it under the rug" stuff. Priests who should never have been priested, and worse far too many excellencies who turned a blind eye or abetted. An episode of shame.

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Originally Posted by Husar

All I see are a lot of Anglo-Saxons arguing about who of their sub-groups leads the world in terms of paedophilia-acceptance and who is only second. ~;)

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For the record, most Americans are not of Anglo-Saxon ancestry, even if you assume a very high figure for the number of English Americans.

Also, you might want to look into the history of the German Green party. The way I look at it, if you pick up rocks in the woods, you're likely to find nasty crawling bugs and worms hiding under them. American rocks, British rocks, German rocks ... does it matter?

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Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh

Mother Church was deeply hurt by that "sweep it under the rug" stuff. Priests who should never have been priested, and worse far too many excellencies who turned a blind eye or abetted. An episode of shame.

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Episode implies it was transient, and not something that has been a constant feature that is probably ongoing.

Precious little has been done to root this out - far more effort is spent in denying and hiding the problems.

~:smoking:

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Originally Posted by Brandy Blue

For the record, most Americans are not of Anglo-Saxon ancestry, even if you assume a very high figure for the number of English Americans.

Also, you might want to look into the history of the German Green party. The way I look at it, if you pick up rocks in the woods, you're likely to find nasty crawling bugs and worms hiding under them. American rocks, British rocks, German rocks ... does it matter?

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People magically turn into Anglo-Saxons when they accept US citizenship, that's the American way.
The rest of your post is not helpful as that was not the topic.

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Originally Posted by rory_20_uk

Episode implies it was transient, and not something that has been a constant feature that is probably ongoing.

Precious little has been done to root this out - far more effort is spent in denying and hiding the problems.

~:smoking:

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Not true of the two dioceses with which I have been affiliated since the scandal became public. Cannot speak for all of Mother Church.

@ Hussar

Well, one of the points that's been raised in this thread is that Americans are not all Anglo Saxons, or at any rate the cops don't think so. Perhaps a young guy who played too much with toy guns would be alive today if the cops thought he was a fellow "Anglo Saxon." So, no, I don't think there is any magic melting pot. Not for everyone.

I fail to see why you let English and American pedophiles pass unchallenged, but consider German ones off topic. Racial profiling? :laugh4:

For clarity, I am defiinitely kidding about the racial profiling. No accusations of Hussar being racist, no hidden sarcasm, no flaming.