Either more cav heavy... or more people willing to bring some real anticav not just pumped up sword as is infantry.
Cav will be more powerfull. Will spears and polearms be strong enough to stop them? Very likely.
Louis,
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Either more cav heavy... or more people willing to bring some real anticav not just pumped up sword as is infantry.
Cav will be more powerfull. Will spears and polearms be strong enough to stop them? Very likely.
Louis,
louis...btw, just so you know, i'm not against any host makeing any rules, as many of the rules people come up with create balanced games. i'm against the 'need' for these rules. my feeling is this....the game should be balanced without haveing to make rules, and without having to play at specific florins. the art of war is not cheesey, so therefore, battle tactics shouldn't be either.
It is time we ought to reconsider this matter. Last time this thread was handled, Louis had no proof of his ideas apart from being sensible. This time there is proof here
When swords are on v3, they beat knights and spears. When they are on v2 however, they can beat spears but not knights. Knights can beat swords but not spears. And spears can beat knights but not swords. That i think was the paper rock scissors element everyone was searching in the multiplayer. Though one thing is that i agree with alrowan that if swords are capped to v2 then JI and Futuwwas, mongol warrior etc would be useless so maybe they should be capped at a certain amount of florins where CMAA cant be v3.
v2 cmaa at 722 florins is where the swords start to defeat the chiv knight. It seems to me that in general you should start to see some diminishing of that effect as you go under 16 * 722 = 11560 florins. Will that cripple the muslim factions which reply on sword/archer combo units too much? Maybe so in western Europe, but those factions are meant to excel in the desert.
I think this is a difficult matter, to generalise a v2 cap for all sword units. What about the old max 2 rule? Could it work? Let's say we treat FMAA and CMAA as one unit, that should reduce pure swords to max 4 selectable (2 FMAA/CMAA and 2 MS) and introduce the need to select more unit types?
Perhaps a new florin level would be required then too, but that will take care of itself after test matches...
Instead of doing that we can tell everyone to get max 4 swords, it would be easier. But the problem is thats still gonna make a CMAA v3 and it will beat both OFS and CK. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...s/confused.gif
V3 CMAA should beat Order Foot. If you do the 4 max, you'll see 4 v3 CMAA quite often, that's why I suggested the 2 max rule.
Two v3 CMAA can be handled by cav or other troop types, you couldn't rush in with your sword phalanx anymore.
But anyway, it's just my opinion.
Gah Bachus no like limits
Gah *smashes limits with 8 sword/8cav rush army*
Heheh, the problem with setting these types of arbitrary limits (using that term loosely since there is valid reasoning behind your ideas) is that only a small group of players ever adopts them. If you play within that small group of players you hone certain skills and lose others, because you are playing a different game from everyone else.
I'd rather just respond to the threats that are presented to me--in terms of balance, unit selection, and florin level--than try to standardize a certain type of "game" that I feel is "best"...
This game constantly evolves and there is always a lot of discussion on "how can we make rules to 'fix' what is wrong in the short term." But when, I ask you, when have any of these discussions resulted in any change? Not since MI/WE v1.03 was created.
... so I guess I'm being the honorary naysayer. I don't think any "2 max rules" will work. The "4 Max No Ashi" rule was largely an anomaly due to an extreme imbalance and we haven't really seen anything like that since.
So I guess I'm saying this conversation, although intellectually stimulating, is essentially going nowhere.
*ducks flying debris and rotten vegetables*
That only seems so because that imbalance is placed over a whole group of vital units, not just a single unit.Quote:
Originally Posted by [b