Hey thats evil.Quote:
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Hey Miko, got any pics of Romanian warriors?
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Hey thats evil.Quote:
Originally Posted by [b
Hey Miko, got any pics of Romanian warriors?
*comes in playing bagpipes* who d'ya think I'd pick??
WALLACE OF COURSE http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...s/bigthumb.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...s/bigthumb.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...s/bigthumb.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ons/cheers.gif
Well not right now,but u COULD look at my avatar and see one http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/wacko.gifQuote:
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It seems odd, isn't it? To start a thread about Vlad the Impaler and then have everyone talking about it, instead of Michael the Brave? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pat.gifQuote:
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Well, of course, he was a great voievode, as well as Mircea the Old, Alexander the Good, Stephan the Great, Petru Rares, and many, many others, esspecially in the XVth century, like Dan II etc. But you can't deny Vlad's acomplishments and you should agree that he was superior to Wallace, who managed to surprise some english garrisons and defeat the outnumbered and foolishly led baronial army at Stirling. "Braveheart" was a mockery of real history, I think everyone agrees. Vlad had smart, veteran opponents, the turks that defeated so many feudal european armies, the janissaries are the first professional army corps in Europe.
Hehe,well it is kinda odd,but hey,Vlad was facing huge odds,but his achievements don't seem so important,I mean what did he do to Wallachia that's so important?(Other than impaling thoulsands of ppl)?
Why Vlad of course. He put people on pikes,william didn't.
Good 'point' http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...s/bigthumb.gifQuote:
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Well, Wallace flayed the corpse of an English commander at Stirling Bridge and turned his skin into a scabbard for his sword.Quote:
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No he didn't. William Wallace was a noble man that was just pissed of that they killed his cutesmiling sexslave. Before you want to debate this with me I must warn you that I have seen braveheart. WTF what bridge olol? You need to go back to school boyQuote:
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Hey, Michael, read more about 1456-1459 period .. he took lots of administrative measures during that time, and secured Wallachia while containing the power of the boyars. After that, he was in a perpetuous state of conflict.Quote:
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Yes sirQuote:
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You are obviously right. I have seen the error of my ways and must praise Hollywood. All hail masterful Mel Gibson. FREEDOM
*lifts his kilt and bares his bum to the English/Southron/Sassenach hordes.*
Maybe we should have a poll, For and Against Mel Gibson =)
I think that atleast all the english ppl would vote against him. English ppl are allways the bad guys in his movies... or atleast 2 of them http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...c-thumbsup.gif
Oh,sorry I think it's because of my 'lack' of information about te respective period.Also this dude(Vlad) is believed to have taken part in the siege in Constantinople and in the battle of Vaslui(1475) when moldavian voivode Stephen the Great defeated a huge turkish invading force... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ons/gc-yes.gifQuote:
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Hey, Michael, have you read "Caderea Constantinopolelui" by Vintila Corbul? He talks about Vlad there, of course, is only a novel. I don't know about the second part, I think he was in Serbia fighting the turks there in 1475 (but hey, anything is possible http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...s/gc-wink2.gif)
Btw Michael, have you considered joining Europa Barbarorum? I really would need another romanian around there, if you have knowledge on the dacians.
Oh,he got me http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...s/gc-blush.gifQuote:
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Well yes I did read it,and found this kinda hard 2 believe...also there are much greater chances that he was in 1475 in Stephen the Great's army than being in Constantinople in 1453(BTW Vintila Corbul is one of my fav writers).
C'ya
*Goes 2 see what's this Europa Barbarorum all about....*
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Mine also, Michael, or at least he was .. Of course, not his early writings (horrible style) but the ones like "Dinastia Sunderland-Beauclair" and "Pasari de prada", or "Uragan deasupra Europei". Of course, these were good books for in my 12-13, now his style seems as too simple.
I'm a barbarian stuck in the dusty annals of history. I have made no lasting raids, conquests, devastation or anything bad and evil.
However, I did become civilised when I started farming. I realised killing all the animals was not a wise thing to do. My stake fetish has become the fall of the barbarian formerly known as Kataklysmic.
Civilisation is boring.
The end.
Bore happends .. if you live long enough .. so tirants are good at some point.
Q.E.D.
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Vlad's struggly and subsequent (yet short-lived) victory were greater than Wallace's. I'm not sure, but I think his victories were more lasting than those of Wallace too.
Besides, Vlad was a genuine badass http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg.../gc-jester.gif
I saw the new Video "Vlad" recently, it did mention his accomplishments briefly. I suppose losing ones family would drive many mad with revenge. He did well stopping the Moslem advance into the heart of Europe.
Hmmmm. Here's a thought. No Vlad then there would be no Hitler as the Moslems would control Germany. No Hitler, no holocaust. No Holocaust, no reason for the formation of Israel. No Israel, No Israli-Arab wars. Hmmm...indeed
wtf does vlad have to do with hitlar?Quote:
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What I wanted to show was Vlad was a more significant figure then Braveheart. His existence had more impact on the outcome of History then Braveheart. I could have also mentioned Stalin, Bismark, Napoleon or Prince Ferdinand or other significant figures from Europe who may not have existed had the Moslems stormed across Europe.
Hitler was just an example of these, and one chain of events that could have followed.
Note the question was "Who historical figure do u preffer over the other?(and why)" and I thought I should give my reason between the two.
vlad impaled the turks and his own to bring justice and peace. hitlar killed people out of anger and hate of that race. IMO
I agree.
However, if you replace Hitlar(sic) with Bismark and include the same chain of events, I was only comparing Vlad with Braveheart and Historical Impacts. The Moslems controlling Europe would have been a real major event had that occurred. Note: El Cid did his part in Spain, some time earlier too
You're assuming that Hungary, Austria, and the Holy Roman Empire couldn't have stopped the Ottomans, which is exactly what happenedQuote:
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First of all, look at a map; you don't have to take Wallachia to get to Western Europe, in fact its out of your way. Straight up the Danube through Hungary and into Austria is the route the Turks took. And "Hunyadi" Hungary, the real obstacle to Turkish expansion during Vlad's life, didn't fall until after his death.
Even after Hungary fell (1526), the Hapsburgs gobbled up half of it, despite Turkish opposition. The Turks were unable to take Vienna, and after the last siege (1683), the armies of Austria and the Empire (Bavaria, Lorraine, Saxony, Baden, etc.) swept into Hungary, smashed the Turks in numerous battles over the next century, took the rest of Hungary, and even pressed into the Balkans.
Vlad's accomplishments may have been important within the Romanian lands, but their effect on the rest of Europe was negligible. It was the Austrian Hapsburgs that stopped the drive into Europe and then carried the war to the Turks. Whether or not Vlad even existed had no influence on the later careers of Bismarck, Napoleon, etc.
Maybe, but you cannot deny that Vlad's struggle was an amazing one, and that he did it quite well.
I don't deny that. Obviously, he's a national hero and legendary/mythical figure for a good reason.Quote:
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I was replying specifically to the "Europe would've been Muslim if not for him" stuff. The Turks could only have threatened Europe had they managed to conquer Austria; and even if they had, the Archduke of Austria was also German Emperor, which meant that if the situation became critical (as in 1683), the German Princes would march to his aid.
So it was the German armies of Austria & the Empire that really kept Europe from being subjected by the Ottomans...although I mean no disrespect to Vlad or Romania by saying so. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...icons/wink.gif
Plantagenet: Your knowledge of "real" history is great.
I have got a sore tongue now from biting it.
Now where did I put that History book ... Brushing aside stacks of Movie magazines.
Don't bite your tongue. Look it up and get back to me.Quote:
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Like I said, I didn't mean to offend anybody...