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02-22-2004, 22:07
Efrem Da King

Hey I prefer civ 3 to alpha centari, its 20 times easier to have a clue as to whats going on. Much less of a learning curve meaning that even if you suck like me, you can have a fun game quite soon in. THe interface of AC SUCKS Its not HOI bad but it is pointlessly confusing and could have been done waaayy better like in civ 3 for example.

The only thing I know how to do in AC is make units and build cities and communitcate. And attack with chemical weapons of course. The stupid interface is to blame http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg.../gc-party2.gif .
02-23-2004, 02:17
Mysterium

Still not working? RRgh. Well, just google SMAC Fan Fiction and it's the second one, if you're interested.
02-24-2004, 16:43
Divine Wind

www.battlefront.com

Someone already mentioned this, but i think it needs another voice

Try Combat Mission: Beyond Overlord, Barborossa to Berlin, or the new version Afrika Corps.

Brilliant turn based strategy game.
02-25-2004, 10:54
Ironside

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Citera[/b] (Efrem Da King @ Feb. 22 2004,04:23)]hmm

I played the spartans. I have conquered 2 people but the second people I conquer I more destroyed cause I used chemical weapons agianst them http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ons/cheers.gif .

I just love clicking a button saying commit atrocoty.

I got embargoed for 80 years. By everyone execpt the morganites cause I was helping them.

Funny I'm the only one that likes playing the nice guy? It's always fun conquering the world and still being noble.
02-25-2004, 10:57
Efrem Da King

Oh I just couldn't resist gassing UN Headquaters. Thats the only reason I play.
02-25-2004, 17:36
Fragony

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Quote[/b] (Efrem Da King @ Feb. 25 2004,03:57)]Oh I just couldn't resist gassing UN Headquaters. Thats the only reason I play.

Why do I get the feeling that you actually mean it ;)
02-25-2004, 18:32
Mysterium

Y'know, I've never actually been able to bring myself to commit an atrocity. Well, I think I used a planet buster, but that was just to see what it did and then I loaded my earlier game. It's the same reason I have a tough time assassinating princesses. Morals in gaming? What's that all about
02-25-2004, 19:07
frogbeastegg

Was this the story you meant? I haven't read it yet but will do soon.

Morals in games? I can one up you on the princess count - I never marry mine off It just seems so wrong to force some poor girl to marry a typical MTW loony general. Not only has the princess has acid thrown in her face (those red burns come from somewhere) but she is expected to put up with some drunken lout who believes he is made of glass. Of course it is hardly a picnic for the general, but he has the advantage of being able to send his lovely unwanted wife away to some backwater castle he doesn't go within 20 miles of. She can hardly do that with her lovely unwanted husband. Also he gains a hefty chunk of prestige, she gains…um…nothing? I don't kill bad heirs either, or generals, or enemy 'harmless' units like princesses and emissaries.

In games like AC I never use nukes or do atrocities, most of the time I sit around being entirely peaceful until someone attacks me - then they get ruthlessly removed from the face of the planet. Bleeding heart froggy...until you give me reason to be otherwise, then cold hearted froggy.
02-25-2004, 19:21
Mysterium

My best starts are usually ones where I get attacked early on, actually. It almost always turns out to be the Believers, then I just snap up all of Miriam's bases and have twice the population base to start from. Then is sit back, get a nice tech advantage, and try to keep everyone getting along. I'm always the one asking everyone to make peace with everyone else. But even though I never commit atrocities, I still can't handle Lal whining.

As to the story, yes, that's the one. It's stellar. However, the site I was reading from didn't have the final chapters and I assumed they weren't written. I will now go read them. I am in your debt for finding them. :deep bow, flourish, exuent to go waste time:

On to sci-fi land . . . http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...s/gc-alien.gif
02-25-2004, 20:02
Mount Suribachi

Mysterium/Froggy thats not the best fan fiction ever that I linked to. To find the one I was on about search the apolyton SMAC story forums for The Forgotten Faction, it really is superb. Have you read it mysterium? I'll try & find the time to read the one you posted.

As for atrocoties, I too like to play the nice guy - peacekeepers & Gaians are my favourite and I play to their strenghts, which means being the good guy :D I only ever use biochems against the aliens, its a battle for survival and the first time I got the surviving refugees fleeing the city message, I was filled with a thirst for vengeance http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...c-furious3.gif So I gas the alien scum, they deserve it

I only use Planetbusters in the endgame if I'm just playing out time till I've conquered the last faction - usually the aliens are on the receiving end of that too http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...-2thumbsup.gif

As for nerve stapling, I've never ever used that.

Efram I find your comments about the interface strange, from the very beginning I've found SMAC to be very easy to get into & learn - maybe cos I played a lot of Civ2 before that and it is basically Civ2 in space.

Lehusu I'm glad you got the game, there really is tremendous depth to it, especially the social engineering & unit design.

Finally, the guide that Froggy linked to (wouldn't work for me) I assume is Velocyrixs guide. It is without question the best strategy guide I've ever read, even better than Froggys efforts, if such a thing were possible. I thought I was a pretty good SMAC player till I read that. It blew my mind all the strategys in there that I'd never thought of. I would play the game for a bit longer to get a feel for it before I read the guide though if I was you.
02-25-2004, 20:03
Mount Suribachi

Oh, and when I've got time I'll post about my best ever game of SMAC. If I had even more time I'd have done a proper story about it, it was one of those superb gaming moments :)
02-25-2004, 21:20
frogbeastegg

Humph, that link is strange. It takes you to a page telling you that there is a large warning on every HTML page asking you not to link to faqs directly. Am I the only one not seeing any of these warnings on any part of gamefaqs?

Anyway it was Velocyrix's guide, found under pc->'s'->Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri.

Velo's work is much, much better than mine - he really knows and understands the game. He isn't borrowing second hand stuff he semi understands from else where and trying to mash thousands of posts read over more thna a year together into one guide, and credit people he doesn't remember. I am an average player trying to write both what I know and what I can't do; he is an advanced player writing what he knows. He also seems to have dealt with the fallout his work created better than me. Velo is an inspiration, as I said before this guide set the standards I aimed for.
02-25-2004, 21:49
Mysterium

Perhaps it wasn't the best fanfic ever, I suppose. Of course, I never ever use hyperbole. Ever.

Haven't read Forgotten Faction, but I will when I get time. I love SMAC Fanfic, because the game itself gave such a wonderful look at huge possibilities in the back-story, as if the whole thing had been thought out, but they weren't going to tell you.
02-26-2004, 17:55
Lehesu

My favorite faction has to be the Morganites so far. Pulling a ridiculous amount of energy per turns is just very satisfing for a greedy person like me. It's hilarious when you can rush build secret projects and lose less than a quarter of your savings. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...icons/cool.gif
02-26-2004, 20:36
Kalle

Here are two great turnbased strategy games.

Clash of steel

Panzer general (the first one)

Civ II was the best civ game imo allthough i like the trade and border system in number III.

The best realtime strategy imo is starcraft.

Kalle
02-26-2004, 20:51
Mount Suribachi

Froggy, I tried the links I posted for The Forgotten Faction, and though it took about 15 seconds to do it, I managed to connect to the forum and download the thread. I don't know why you couldn't do it. Perhaps if you try again. Can you connect to the Apolyton.net forums at all?

Mysterium You should seek it out (thread with links is on page 2 of Mead Hall). The forgotten faction are the Hillbillies btw.

Now I'm off to install SMAC
02-26-2004, 21:06
Mysterium

The Hillbillies, Mt. Suribachi? Oh dear. From that the tone is probably a bit, um, lighter than the one I'm currently reading. I'll jump on that bandwagon next. I'd love to hear your story as well.

Lehesu, I am a fan of the Morganites, too. I typically play either them or the University (I'm equal parts tech and money greedy). Then I try find whichever faction I'm not playing and get a nice money/tech symbiosis going.
02-27-2004, 10:37
Efrem Da King

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Quote[/b] (Efrem Da King @ Feb. 25 2004,03:57)]Oh I just couldn't resist gassing UN Headquaters. Thats the only reason I play.

Why do I get the feeling that you actually mean it ;)

Doesn't the idea of having millions of people dieing from gass that slowly and painfully kills them in the UN Headqauters make you happy too? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...icons/cool.gif
02-27-2004, 12:50
Fragony

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Quote[/b] (Efrem Da King @ Feb. 25 2004,03:57)]Oh I just couldn't resist gassing UN Headquaters. Thats the only reason I play.

Why do I get the feeling that you actually mean it ;)

Doesn't the idea of having millions of people dieing from gass that slowly and painfully kills them in the UN Headqauters make you happy too? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...icons/cool.gif

Ok you convinded me, where do I sign up http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ons/cheers.gif
02-27-2004, 23:22
Efrem Da King

Well play anyone ofther than the humanitarians (my archenemies I WILL KILL THEM EVERY GAME I PLAY) build up a strong airforce armed with chemical weapons (its a special option once you have researched it) then allie with the fundies or capatalists. The humanitarians ALWAYS start wars with them. Then you can say you were invaded (thats what I did) And take out a city a turn. I like to surround UN headqauters and just destroy it over the about 7 turns. Let it repair. THEN SMASH IT AGAIN WOOOOOT
02-28-2004, 01:45
Lehesu

I like it when the ai really wants a truce. They will give you anything, research, money, just for a truce. So I accept and get the goods. And the next turn, I start bombing his cities to rubble again. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...-2thumbsup.gif
02-28-2004, 04:09
Efrem Da King

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif

Thats just plain dishonerable

I NEVER Brake a treaty or deal.

I also rarely make them http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...icons/cool.gif .
02-28-2004, 04:17
Lehesu

When you are playing as the Spartans, nothing is dishonorable (readies Planet Buster) http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif
02-28-2004, 04:43
Fragony

My biggest gripe with SMAC is (and you REALLY have to search for gripes) that there is no real counter system in the weapons department, except for the psi combat (armour is no issue there). When you research a new weapon the new weapon is just better, not just better for certain circumstances. I know that it involves other costs/building time etc, but it would be cool to have REALLY specialised troops. Oh if SMAC only got a sequal..... I would be all over it.
02-28-2004, 09:10
Efrem Da King

What do you buy??

Do you get a special ability?

If so what?

To go for full armour or build WAAAAY quicker and give missiles for long range bombardment. All those options. Its hardly newest dominates, cause the other army should have more.
02-28-2004, 11:55
frogbeastegg

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Quote[/b] (Lehesu @ Feb. 28 2004,00:45)]I like it when the ai really wants a truce. They will give you anything, research, money, just for a truce. So I accept and get the goods. And the next turn, I start bombing his cities to rubble again. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...-2thumbsup.gif

If you do that too much your reputation will be ruined and no one will trust you
02-28-2004, 16:48
Lehesu

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Quote[/b] (Lehesu @ Feb. 28 2004,00:45)]I like it when the ai really wants a truce. They will give you anything, research, money, just for a truce. So I accept and get the goods. And the next turn, I start bombing his cities to rubble again. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...-2thumbsup.gif

If you do that too much your reputation will be ruined and no one will trust you

Not that that matters when you are planetary governor with 100+ votes and a stockpile of planet busters... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...s/bigthumb.gif
02-29-2004, 02:11
Efrem Da King

WHAT ARE PLANET BUSTERSS????? AND HOW DO I GET ONE
02-29-2004, 05:46
Lehesu

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Quote[/b] (Efrem Da King @ Feb. 28 2004,19:11)]WHAT ARE PLANET BUSTERSS????? AND HOW DO I GET ONE

Mail in 300 box tops plus shipping and handling to this address:

Morgan Industries Inc.
Morgan City, Planet
210 Greed Lane

Allow three to four days for delivery.
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02-29-2004, 06:07
Efrem Da King

So only morganits can get em. BUT WHAT ARE THEY??

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