World Wonders... Where are they?

Well, to put it bluntly, I don't see where we need to listen you guys boast about how you cheat and like it without expressing our opinions on such attitudes either...

That's the thing about free speech and opinions. Go public with yours, and you are by default giving others a carte blanche to comment on them as they see fit.

And I, personally, never had any trouble getting enough uber armies and tricked-out provinces entirely without cheats anyway, to the point where I rarely bother finishing campaigns and instead tend to drop them about halfway through in favor of new ones where I get to do all the actually challenging and hence interesting bits again. You get about three guesses what opinion I hold of people who seem to consider it necessary to use something as blase as cheats to achieve that...

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Originally Posted by Watchman

Well, to put it bluntly, I don't see where we need to listen you guys boast about how you cheat and like it without expressing our opinions on such attitudes either...

That's the thing about free speech and opinions. Go public with yours, and you are by default giving others a carte blanche to comment on them as they see fit.

And I, personally, never had any trouble getting enough uber armies and tricked-out provinces entirely without cheats anyway, to the point where I rarely bother finishing campaigns and instead tend to drop them about halfway through in favor of new ones where I get to do all the actually challenging and hence interesting bits again. You get about three guesses what opinion I hold of people who seem to consider it necessary to use something as blase as cheats to achieve that...

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I don't find it necessary, I find it fun to be able to crush the enemy more then I already could.

Back on topic with Wonders (alphabetical order).

Wonder: Colossus
Starting Faction: The Greek Cities
City: Rhodes
Bonus: +40% to all naval trade

Wonder: Hanging Gardens
Starting Faction: Selucid Empire
City: Babylon
Bonus: +20% to all farming output

Wonder: Mausoleum of Halicarnassus
Starting Faction: Rebels
City: Halicarnassus
Bonus: -20% off building time (only applies to buildings that require 5 turns or more to build)

Wonder: Pharos Lighthouse
Starting Faction: Egypt
City: Alexandria
Bonus: Increase in naval movement allowance, decreases chance of ships sinking

Wonder: Pyramids of Giza (the actual wonder is the Great Pyramid of Khufu but oh well)
Starting Faction: Egypt
City: Memphis
Bonus: Increases loyalty of all Egyptian cities

Wonder: Statue of Zeus
Starting Faction: Macedon
City: Corinth
Bonus: +4 population loyalty in all settlements

Wonder: Temple of Artemis
Starting Faction: Selucid Empire
City: Ephesus
Bonus: 20% off cost of religious buildings(thanks to symball for this)


Just brushing up the look.

Not sure about the Temple of Artemis and I can't access RTW for some time.. I'd appreciate it if anyone could PM me the bonus of the Temple of Artemis.

it reduces the cost of building religious bui;ldings (20% I think?)

Well done for getting back on topic. it was turining into a rant.

I posted earlier about my first Wonder. Statute of Zeus.

Ive played several turns past that point now. The effect of capturing Zeus (Corinth) is 30% increase in public order. Every turn after this goes down by 5%. The wonder effect stabalises when 10% rating is reached.

'Wonder' what would happen if you let Corinth revolt then take it back again. Would wonder be there for you to claim again and get 30% benefit again rather than 10%?

Yes.

If the wonder can't be reclaimed, then the Romans might as well not capture the wonders that are too far off, since the effects will be worn out by then. No, I think everyone who captures the settlement gets the full effects of the wonder.

Hi

Getting close to my second ever Wonder.

Given the small landmass it would be difficult to have a fight on Rhodes without having the Wonder looking over the battlefield.

https://img162.imageshack.us/img162/...61s93xy.th.jpg

Trade benefit of this wonder will boost an already rich Brutii. :2thumbsup:

I wish the ordinary camaign game allowed the player to battle amidst the pyramids. Still having them in the background is fine.

Well I finally got Rhodes. It is my second ever Wonder of the World.

Ive found the trade routes on the city settlement screen no longer add up correctly to the total trade income. The sea trade bonus of the wonder is not being displayed correctly on individual trade routes.

I also noticed that capturing the Rhodes wonder has increased public order.
+20% on the turn of capture in all regions.
+15% on the next turn.....

I speculate that all wonders give your public order a 20% boost when captured...reducing at 5% per turn.

PS. I could see the Rhodes wonder in the distance across the sea when fighting in Turkey on the beach at Halicarnassus.

A very useful bonus if expanding and with a far flung empire.:2thumbsup:

But when the effect wears off ? Will you now have unrest due to having relied on the wonder bonus?

Is there a -20% effect if a wonder is lost ?

Will I get the 20% boost if I recapture a wonder or is it only the first time in a campaign that the 20% bonus can be triggerred?

I am about to capture my third wonder...will that give another 20% on top? If it does I am going to have so much public order, taxes already maxed out, I wont be able to gain the full benefit.

By the way, if you actually want to get right up close to them and fight around them in battle maps (custom battles or campaign map battles), take a look at these screenshots (all from Europa Barbarorum):

https://img132.imageshack.us/img132/...dard3uo.th.jpg
An Aedui warband on the march through the wintry lands of Britain.

https://img205.imageshack.us/img205/...ones8yt.th.jpg
An Aedui chieftain calls for his men as he is surrounded by the Casse defending their holy site of Cairncalladrydan.

https://img141.imageshack.us/img141/...msea0sc.th.jpg
The Colossus of Rhodes from the sea, the small men at the base of the trees are the actual units in battle!

https://img141.imageshack.us/img141/...tomb3hm.th.jpg
Ethiopian troops owing loyalty to the Ptolemies defend Abu Simbel.


https://img106.imageshack.us/img106/...dens1bm.th.jpg
The Seleukids make their stand in the shadow of the Hanging Gardens.

The Pyramids in EB:
https://img138.imageshack.us/img138/...mids5ef.th.jpg

https://img113.imageshack.us/img113/...ids23lt.th.jpg

https://img138.imageshack.us/img138/...ids35ln.th.jpg

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