Is this racist?

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Weve just got to accept some subjects are off limits to discussion, some groups are untouchable.

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I keep hearing this, but I don't see the evidence. This implies that some hate speech is tolerated here at the Org, but only if it is of the correct flavor.

I don't see a bias in moderating - stuff that violates the rules gets a reaction. Every now and then an ancient member gets away with something that a recently-joined patron might get a warning about, but I think defending hate and racismwith the argument that the other side gets away with it is not only wrong, its not based on reality.

IMO

ichi :bow:

I was refering to society in general, the org simply reflects the uneven distribution of political correctness that stifles "sensitive" discussion.

in that case I'd have to agree with you somewhat, there are many biases in the world. The news is different in the US and Iran, what you hear on Air America differs from the Excellence in Broadcasting stations.

But I'm pretty sure that this bias is minimized here at the Org. Individuals are certainly biased, but overall the rules are enforced fairly IMHO.

ichi :bow:

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Originally Posted by PanzerJager

I was refering to society in general, the org simply reflects the uneven distribution of political correctness that stifles "sensitive" discussion.

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Sensitive discussions should be handled in a sensitive way. Quoting suprematist sites and articles is not exactly a sensitive approach to them.

IMDHO:

Aren't Arabs and Jews 'white'?

Didn't China have a fairly advanced nation until the colonial invasions and the opium wars?

Aren't Japan and Singapore fairly advanced nations?

Weren't India & Pakistan fairly advanced and still have some of the best scientists and mathematicians?

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IMDHO:

As we are all humans and can all produce viable offspring regardless of skin pigment we are infact a single race. It is as stupid as saying that a white horse is a different race to a brown horse, except for geldings they can breed together pretty well.

What some are actually arguing is not genes but memes.

But I'm pretty sure that this bias is minimized here at the Org. Individuals are certainly biased, but overall the rules are enforced fairly IMHO.

And i would have to agree with you there. ~;)

My "fight" is with PC, not the org.

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Please check post No. 3 in the first closed thread. Either you don't read the threads you start, or you ignore only my posts (both of which is fine by me ), but I guess that it could explain to you a bit better some of the reactions after you continued to act as if you didn't know what the others and myself were talking about.

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Well I went back and checked and it tool me another 5 minutes to find that quote. To tell the truth I skimed the article and it looked fine to me never mind check the links. I was just looking for a place to confirm my ideast that the indegious population of Europe was dwindiling. Reading the whole thing in its entirety I can see that the man is indeed a raging racist and you all have my apologies for posting it. Again it was not my intention to make any sort of racist comments or remarks nor do I back racism in any shape manner or form. I still think you all better wake up though because we are indeed a dissapearing race in uor own countries. Now please dont say that was a racist remark. I beieve this is a case where I definetly should have been more careful what article Iposted and linked to but again the thought that this was a racist site or that I would be accused of being a racist never occured to me. You could have just dissmissd the article for what it was and continued to discuss the real heart of the topic.

^ Are Spanish European?

Is anyone?

:elbows through the crowd, jostling his way to the fore:

My question Sirs Gawain, JAG, Shades Wolf and others (all of whom copy and paste entire 2,000 word articles as thread starters, with minimal "I agree entirely with this" commentaries) is:

Are you or are you not responsible and accountable for the content you provide, whatever its source?

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Are you or are you not responsible and accountable for the content you provide, whatever its source?

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Well I know I am hence

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Reading the whole thing in its entirety I can see that the man is indeed a raging racist and you all have my apologies for posting it. Again it was not my intention to make any sort of racist comments or remarks nor do I back racism in any shape manner or form.

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Wow I just noticed this

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Your goal in both threads seems to have been to promote racial paranoia and provoke responses that would have degenerated into racial arguments.

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Do you really belive this? If so I suggest you were far too lienient on me. I deserve to be banned like Dave was in that case.

How does that reconcile with my opening of the second thread

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Lets try this again. Lets start out that I am not a racist. I am just bemoaning the fact that we are our own worst enemy. Someone in the other thread that we are not the smartest or strongest. Burt we are. Howerver ths is not due to some ingrained natural supemacy of the white race but of location and history. It is said the weak shall inherit the earth and it seems this proficy is coming true. I hope this artilce doesnt turn out to be bt a racist like the last one.

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What do you think I was joking or trying to yank Sers chain?

Again my only point is that we are our own worst enemy in this case. The fact that we are the most civilized is working against us we are the olny ones who are taking the population explosion serious. It has nothing to do with the white race being any better or worse than any other race. Once more I dont have a racist bone in my body.

I Honestly think this belongs in the backroom.
i dunno why people post things they havent read,
well unless there trying to provoke an argument

Im not going to read any more,
But im shure this thread's in the wrong room.

Shambles the thread was closed in the Backroom.

The Watchtower is a place to discuss the way staff handle things and to bring up things like needing extra forums to discuss different things.

This is really the zone to discuss the way things should be handled in the rest of the forums.

A place to talk to the ref about his decision in public so to speak. And a place to get things off ones chest about rulings in a thoughtful manner.

As such Gawain-Sama is doing an admirable job.

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Originally Posted by Papewaio

What some are actually arguing is not genes but memes.

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Somebody's been reading Dawkins! ~:cheers:

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

Mea Culpa Gawain , I reported your link to the mods of the Tavern as soon as I linked to it .

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Hehe - I noticed that, however only hours after I actually closed the thread. Unfortunately I receive the notification that a post has been reported via e-mail instead of a PM. As I do not check my private e-mail on a very regular basis, there is a bit of turnaround time for reactions to reported posts.

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Originally Posted by Papewaio

As such Gawain-Sama is doing an admirable job.

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Indeed - I'd like to second that and emphasize again that neither in my function as a moderator nor personally I have any problem with how Gawain handled our disagreement on the issue.

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Originally Posted by KukriKhan

My question Sirs Gawain, JAG, Shades Wolf and others (all of whom copy and paste entire 2,000 word articles as thread starters, with minimal "I agree entirely with this" commentaries) is:

Are you or are you not responsible and accountable for the content you provide, whatever its source?

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Just out of interest, I assume that posters ensure that such articles are not posted in breach of copyright?

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I assume that posters ensure that such articles are not posted in breach of copyright?

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Read the forum rules.

So that would be, at least on your part, a yes then?

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Originally Posted by Forum Rules

Posting of copyrighted material, unless the copyright is owned by you or by The Guild, is discouraged.

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That would be a yes ~:)

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Originally Posted by Papewaio

What some are actually arguing is not genes but memes.

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Originally Posted by voigtkampf

Somebody's been reading Dawkins! ~:cheers:

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Thats the idea ~D

Well I have just read the article, and my conlcusion is this:
The article does have racist nuances, yet it is supported by demographic fact. IF it is true and IF demographic trends do continue, there might be several consequences:
1. The white population realises there is a "problem" and starts a sort of competitive breeding program. The consummer, capitalist society might start to fall since women will no longer have time to attain their objectives of becoming a succesful businesswoman, they will be staying at home having and raising children, although some will have part-time jobs. Since the number of earners in a household drops, society will become poorer. In the short term more there will be a shortage of workers, which might be filled with yet more immigrants. Yet as the fruits of increased white breeding a picked, there will be a lot more workers. This will lead to unemployment, which will lead to yet more poverty. The white population might think "why do we need all these immigrants when we have unemployment?". This will lead to the rise of the already growing far-right. Since the whites have maintained their majority by breeding, a racist party could be swept into office. Then there would be re-run of Hitler and nazism, only this time, if the white, moneyed world is united, far-right politics might win.
2. Things go as continued, with the whites pro-creating less and less and none-whites more and more. As the latter near or come into the majority, the whites might feel intimidated. This too shall lead to the rise of the far-right. Yet without a political majority, the facist parties will not get into power. The whites feel as though are not heard, and racial war could ensue.
In either case, the far-right wins. To prevent this from happening, governments should heavily limit immigration and asylum seeking, whilst deporting those whose claims have failed, the situation in their country of origin has become better and immigrants who have been convincted of serious or repeated crimes. Contraception such as pills and abortions (but not condoms) should also be limited. Countries must be cured of their skills shortage by sorting those who are good at blue-collar jobs and those who are good at white-collar jobs. The culture of "you can achieve anything no matter what your ability" should be suppresed. This leads people to think that some jobs are below them. Western governments should aslo aid developping to develop, so that people in those countries no longer need to go elsewhere to find a good life.
P.S This has all been written without the possibility of China becoming the super power and with a fracture of the U.S, which could happen (the Hispanic Federation of California, New Mexico, Arizona and Colorado).

Why can't I post in the Tavern forum?????????? Please heeelp!

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Originally Posted by Cronos Impera

Why can't I post in the Tavern forum?????????? Please heeelp!

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Because you are a junior member.

Junior members can post in the frontroom though right?

Anyway it doesn't take too long to become a member.

Welcome to the Org!

Deny it all you want Gawain, but the implication that one race is superior to another is the definition of racism. I point you to the quote "the weak shall inherit the earth" before you deny that you have done so.

In the end, all races are still the same species - Homosapiens. The fading of external attributes like skin, eye or hair colour does not amount to the extermination of the white race. It's simply the natural process of genetic intermingling. This is not only inevitable, it is healthy and the basis for the evolutionary survival of any species.

Last but not least, the antecedency of the "white" race as you put it is based on but a snapshot of history. At various times, the Egyptians, Chinese, Arabs, Romans, Greeks all attained temporary supremacy. This was not a product of racial superiority but rather the confluence of various socio-political factors and even luck. Hence, your premise for assuming that any race is superior by virtue of socio-economic or political power is flawed in the extreme.

To sum up, any human being, regardless of outward appearance is capable of the displaying the entire gamut of human behaviour, from ignorance to uncommon wisdom, from maliciousness to uncommon benevolence. These are not the product of genetic templates, but the environment in which they find themselves.

Wow - I would have thought this thread would have gone the way of the Dodo by now ... ~;)

Yeah, it is quite odd how random threads are constantly revived with just as much vigor in the new post(s) as before.

Time to close now.