Do you beleave in God(Poll)

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05-14-2005, 21:30
Byzantine Prince

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Originally Posted by Snowhobbit

I don't "beleave" in God simply because I'm not sure if he exists, it can't really be proven that he doesn't exist hence it is reasonable to doubt his existence. I don't mix in any emotions, my belief has nothing to do with conceiving the world to be meaningless, infact I don't perceive the world as meaningless...

If so then you are not agnostic. You are what Big_John is, which is apathetic atheists. You just don't care weather god exists or not. You don't even want to deal with that. accept accept reality as it is rationally concivable: total and obsolete randomness and meaningless until you give it your own individual meaning.
05-14-2005, 21:31
Big_John

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Originally Posted by AdrianII

Know what I mean?

of course not, adrian. i never know what you mean. http://www.mazeguy.net/expressive/spin.gif

i will say that while i don't care if god exists, i do care whether other people believe such, mainly for practical reasons.
05-14-2005, 21:42
Alexander the Pretty Good

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~:eek: The Bhuddists are winning!

~:cool:
05-14-2005, 21:49
Proletariat

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Originally Posted by AdrianII

Funny, that goes for me too, only I feel I am forced to care because religion is still such a big deal in today's world.

Me three, but I still think we're better off with the majority of people at least trying to follow things like the Ten Commandments or Pillars or whatever.
05-14-2005, 21:58
Adrian II

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Fortuitous development. Bebekung Mampa Hoonanooga has taken decisive lead in poll.

:kiss2::sultan::kiss2:
05-14-2005, 21:59
Adrian II

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Originally Posted by Proletariat

Me three, but I still think we're better off with the majority of people at least trying to follow things like the Ten Commandments or Pillars or whatever.

Who says they do, oh Straussian Amazone?
05-14-2005, 23:11
GoreBag

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Originally Posted by Byzantine Prince

If so then you are not agnostic. You are what Big_John is, which is apathetic atheists. You just don't care weather god exists or not. You don't even want to deal with that. accept accept reality as it is rationally concivable: total and obsolete randomness and meaningless until you give it your own individual meaning.

That's "whether".
05-14-2005, 23:15
Templar Knight

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I do believe in God - but not some old guy on a cloud - more of a creative force. And as you know i'm not religious.
05-14-2005, 23:18
Hurin_Rules

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I don't believe in any God or gods.

I believe that the closest we humans will ever come to contemplating the divine is seeing Anna Kournikova's ass.
05-14-2005, 23:20
ah_dut

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Originally Posted by Skomatth

How did you determine that God possess these characteristics? I for one find them quite irreconcilable. Take for one God's supposed omnipotence, omniscience and benevolence (or more typically called his perfect goodness IIRC). Then the Argument from Evil is quite easy to make.

(1) If God exists then he is omniscient, omnipotent and perfectly good.
(2) If God were omniscient, omnipotent and perfectly good then the world would not contain evil.
(3) The world contains evil.
Therefore:
(4) It is not the case that God exists.

Sounds really lame but he/she/it is God...I cannot judge God, not can I put God into a box...faith is required. I cannot rationalize it properly, I believe perhaps foolishly but I nevertheless believe :help:
05-14-2005, 23:23
Adrian II

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Originally Posted by ah_dut

Sounds really lame but he/she/it is God...I cannot judge God, not can I put God into a box...faith is required. I cannot rationalize it properly, I believe perhaps foolishly but I nevertheless believe :help:

Hurin Roolz.

*Slaps God in a box*
05-14-2005, 23:48
Duke Malcolm

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I don't see how the existence of evil proves the lack of existence of God...

God is a British man. From the borders, or somewhere in Lothian, and speaks RP, but with a slight Edinburgh/borders accent
05-14-2005, 23:49
Big_John

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hey uh... i got your lord here.. where you want it?

https://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y9/dem0819/giab.jpg
05-15-2005, 00:00
Kaiser of Arabia

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Originally Posted by Byzantine Prince

The poll itself doesn't specify which religion. It simply asks weather you beleave in a god or not.

The Christisn thing was just an assumption I made about who might have voted, it's irrelevent to the poll!

I'm not god yet. ~;)

Remember, if you are God them I am UBERGOD!

Btw I voted yes because I'm a good person and catholic. So ha.
05-15-2005, 00:01
Skomatth

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Originally Posted by Big_John

Skomatth, does one have to deterime the characteristics of a thing to believe in it? (not a rhtorical question, btw)

other than that, how do you justify (2) and (3)? why would "the world" be deviod of evil if such a god existed? and how do you know "evil" exists in the world?

Big_John I take it that you mean "believe" as "believe to exist", else I don't see any other meaningful connotation. To believe in a god one does not have to determine the characteristics of it, merely the characteristic of existence. People do this in many different ways, using a variety of arguments- cosmological, ontological personal etc. If one asserts a characteristic beyond existence, there must be a reason to believe it, or I can make an assertion exactly contrary to yours and it will be equally justified. We can also rule out certain characteristics of God if they lead to a false conclusion.

I of course did not come up with the argument from evil; it is just a basic example of how to counter ah_dut's assertions. "Evil" and "good" come from the Christian connotations. (2) is justified thusly: If God is perfectly good, He
wants the best for mankind. If He is all-knowing, he knows exactly how to bring about the best for mankind. If He is all-powerful, He is able to bring about the best for mankind. It is easy to see that evil exists in the world if one takes evil to mean: "contrary to the will of a Christian God".
05-15-2005, 00:23
Lazul

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agnostic vote here, so no god, but that doesnt say much.
05-15-2005, 00:24
JAG

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I do not believe in God and am an atheist. The belief in God, in my opinion, is self deceiving.
05-15-2005, 01:07
Byzantine Prince

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What I find so interesting is that the votes are always in the 50/50 range which suggests a sharp decline from the presurposed 90% Christian community of the Western world.

Of ocurse most of us are also in the youth sector so it might take a while before the ratio trully get's to the 50/50 range.

:devilish: Long like our ANTI-CHRIST generation! :devilish:
05-15-2005, 01:26
Kaiser of Arabia

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Originally Posted by Byzantine Prince

What I find so interesting is that the votes are always in the 50/50 range which suggests a sharp decline from the presurposed 90% Christian community of the Western world.

Of ocurse most of us are also in the youth sector so it might take a while before the ratio trully get's to the 50/50 range.

:devilish: Long like our ANTI-CHRIST generation! :devilish:

Once I get my AK I plan to even that out. :hanged:
05-15-2005, 01:32
PanzerJaeger

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I cannot judge God, not can I put God into a box...faith is required.

Words of wisdom.

Such fools some people are to presume they know what God should be and what (s)he should do.

That applies to priests and athiests alike..

You either feel the presence of something more than the physical world or you do not, in which case youre most certainly going to hell. (:tongue2:)
05-15-2005, 01:47
JAG

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Originally Posted by Kaiser of Arabia

Once I get my AK I plan to even that out. :hanged:

....
05-15-2005, 01:49
Kaiser of Arabia

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,,,
05-15-2005, 01:52
JAG

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Your such a good Christian you would want to kill people on a mass scale simply because people are not Christian. Remind me again why we are against Islamic extremists again?

I forget.
05-15-2005, 01:53
Kaiser of Arabia

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heh you do realize i wasn't serious.
Just a well placed counter to BP
05-15-2005, 01:58
Byzantine Prince

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Hey I would love to meet the devil.
I bet you he's a lot like the ancient greek god Pan. In fact he IS the god Pan, who penetrated the Christian religion somehow just like Santa!

http://img226.echo.cx/img226/4549/n590540sx.jpg

Hehe it's pretty unbeleavable this small deity from the mountains became the most terrifying being in the biggest religion the world has ever seen.
05-15-2005, 02:02
Kaiser of Arabia

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I throw out your reality and replace it with my own.
05-15-2005, 02:11
GoreBag

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Originally Posted by Byzantine Prince

Hey I would love to meet the devil.
I bet you he's a lot like the ancient greek god Pan. In fact he IS the god Pan, who penetrated the Christian religion somehow just like Santa!

http://img226.echo.cx/img226/4549/n590540sx.jpg

Hehe it's pretty unbeleavable this small deity from the mountains became the most terrifying being in the biggest religion the world has ever seen.

"unbelievable".

He is also the Celtic god Cernunnos, who was at least six times more kickass than Pan. He is also the "snake" because of the popularity of snake cults around Egypt and Judaea at the time, which threatened to overthrow the religion in place.

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Originally Posted by Kaiser of Arabia

Just a well placed counter to BP

Well-placed?
05-15-2005, 02:35
Gawain of Orkeny

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You just don't care weather god exists

Who is this weather god Thor? And why do you want the BE to Leave ~D Its believe. Im a lousy speller but I cant take these two over and over. ~;)

Also the questin posed depends a lot on what the meaning of believe is. To belive something can mean thats what you think is so or it can also mean that which you know is true. Their not quite the same. I believe there is a god. But who or what that is is beyond me. If you ask me am I sure for certain theres a god Id have to say no. So in what manner is this question posed? That will have a big effect on the results of this poll and may explain why so many people vote no even though they are Christains. Or at least claim to be.
05-15-2005, 04:07
Byzantine Prince

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Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny

Who is this weather god Thor? And why do you want the BE to Leave ~D Its believe. Im a lousy speller but I cant take these two over and over. ~;)

Aren't you a little old to be making childish points like this? ~;)

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So in what manner is this question posed? That will have a big effect on the results of this poll and may explain why so many people vote no even though they are Christains. Or at least claim to be.

It is posed as it is written my senior friend. Do you believe in god? If you believe he exists you check "YES" if not then "NO". It's not too hard is it? ~D
05-15-2005, 04:12
KukriKhan

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Define 'god'.

Please.

Wanna vote, but can't 'til you do.

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