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Originally Posted by Tribesman

..."its the only language they understand"...
So you think it is right that an officer who is supposed to uphold the law uses racial abuse and threatens with violence do you ?
You sad man :embarassed:

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Err, no. That was a joke. Did you see the quotes? As in, "this is what a stereotypically stupid person might say, and now I will go on to make my point."

Which was (1) that the boy started recording at a point in the conversation convenient to him (this does not excuse the abuse but if he had said "you ***** ******* police **** filth are all the same why don't you **** off back to the sty piggie?" (presses record) it would make you look at things a luittle differently) and (2) if you are a copper and you see people who you think are serious crims and who get off on technicalities it must be a bit difficult to be nice to them.

But no, I don't think racial abuse and threats of violence should be part of police work, thanks for the chance to clear that up.

Thanks Ah Dut.

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Perhaps the knife you just put in the Baroness' overpaid back. As far as I can Google, she has never ever said one should be nicer to yobbos. I mean, it is her views you take issue with, or are you just jealous at her income?

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It would be a pay cut mate ~D The particular article I was thinking of was in the Camden New Journal which may not rank that highly on Google. Just trust me, would I lie to a journalist?...

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Originally Posted by English assassin

It would be a pay cut mate ~D

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Thought so!

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Just trust me, would I lie to a journalist?...

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Are you, or have you ever been...
Never mind. I think JAG has found the entrance to the half way house, but he doesn't have the key. Do you?

Yes, but yobbism isn't against the wealthier classes, it's against their own neighbours and so on. Yet before there was poverty worse than their is today and their wasn't any major problem with yobbism. Why? Because before people were allowed to take some sort of justice into their own hands. I am not condoning lynch mobs and so on, yet if a shopkeeper caught a youth in flagrante delicto stealing, then no one (apart from the youth of course) would object if he took his belt of and gave him a good hiding. Today, he would have to call the police, the police would arrive sooner or later (often later), somebody from social security would be called, a child welfare officer would be summone, a report would be filled, the youth would be taken to the station, it would be given a cup of tea and probably told that it wasn't really it's fault and that they would be let go with that painful of sanctions: the caution. This would could take anything between two and five hours. Time for giving it a sore arse: five minutes.

You can also add to that when I was at school you respected the teachers and the police, and if you got into trouble with either you had your dad to deal with when he got home from work.

now the yobs dont respect their parents or the police, and the poor teachers have no way of dealing with bad behaviour. Ive seen the cain/ slipper used, board rubbers etc., now its the other way round.

And we are to believe things are far better today. :dizzy2:

Just what the crap is a yobb anyway?

It looks like Mr Ewen, the Head of Islington Arts and Media School in Finsbury Park, has found the half way house in dealing with yobbism in general and the respect issue in schools in particular. No coppers were called in to bash in pupils' faces, no social programmes were needed to create opportunities for difficult youngsters. Just uniforms, attendance checks, and supervised schoolwork instead of expulsions.

The previous head claimed that saving the school would have meant expelling as many as 50 troublemakers. But Mr Ewen has taken a different route, setting up an "inclusion centre" (a sort of in-house "sin-bin") where difficult pupils can be sent for a week while still studying the full national curriculum. "It made sense to give them something to do - make sure they were still having lessons - instead of excluding them and sending them home to watch the racing from Newmarket on TV," he said.

George Green's school in Tower Hamlets succeeded with a rather more forensic experiment, as the article describes. However, in both cases the message seems to be as Sir Alan says: 'We have to be careful that we do not spend all our time talking about whether we should punish children this way or that. It is a pretty sterile discussion. The real skill is making sure you don't have to punish them at all by having a focus on consistency of good lessons and good teaching.'

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Originally Posted by NeonGod

Just what the crap is a yobb anyway?

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A Yob is a thug/pikey/trev/general idiot who terrorises people for laughs or just generally.

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Thanks Ah Dut.

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Nice to know I still exist after EPIII ~D

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My change of stance is this: though I still firmly believe that the causes of crime

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Yup, the absolute refusal to do anything constructive against the problem. I mean when the heck did paying people more help? I mean many yobbos are the sons of very rich people :dizzy2:

Yup, yobbism has very little, if anything, to do with wealth. It is a success for the left-handed folk, since it is a culture that breaks class boundaries, paying no heed to income, home, or background.

Yobbish behavior doesn't have anything to do with class or wealth, in my area a lot of the gangs come from the upper/middle class areas where as the lower class areas are strangely quiet. Of course this is not the case across the country. Rich kids with very little to do.