it's the British mass media more than the school system (although that contributes too).
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it's the British mass media more than the school system (although that contributes too).
Oh yes I can...I'm a freeman..... ~:cheers: *burp* ~:cheers: I can say what I like...I'm a freeborn Englishman ~DQuote:
What in the hell are you talking about? You cant just make a statement like that after making such accusations about the South and then go get a beer.
hang on.....the wife says I gotta wash up.....*whats the way to Jomsberg?*
well I was free...until the wife turned up ~;)
While were at it for all people from England, me and panzer will gladly dispell anymore ridiculous notions and stereotypes of the south for free. Keep em coming. Me and Panzer would like to welcome you to "Guide to the South 101".
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At least do me the courtesy of reading my posts.....Quote:
If youre getting all your information from your grandmother, then maybe you should do a bit more research before speaking out with supposed authority on the subject, especially since youve never been here.
it's not just England that has the problem. It's rest of the U.K. too.
I heard some utter crap about the U.S. from some people in Scotland when I was there over Christmas.
I find it funny someone from England talking about the "rural south" and the
And this my friends is what is wrong with many parts of the rural US. A lack of clarity in thinking. Its really rather amusing considering some of the reports coming out of England about certain types of behaviors.
However thanks you Goofball for acknowledging that some from the rural areas of the United States demonstrate in your words.
Having said that, so are most rural Americans I know.
Now the difference is InsaneApache is that the clarity in thinking that is in the rural south is more based upon what they experience on a daily basis which is completely different then say the experiences living in a large city like London.
Mixing apples and oranges with your arguement about clarity of thinking.
Edit: By the way: there is absolutely nothing wrong with holding this trail and his conviction. If he did the crime - he should be tried and be held responsible for it. Regardless of when the actual crime and investigation happened.
Unfortuneately, I have a sneaking suspiscion that it is now the North that has to be shamed into changing its race-relations/segregation more than does the south. In my experiences, I haven't seen many ghettos in the south, while...the north and west are a different story; please, correct me if I am wrong, my visits in the South have maybe been less comprehensive than they should be to accurately comment on the situation that is there now.
I believe that you see a lack of ghettos down here in the south is due to the cost of living, especially owning a home is lower down here. Their are many more bigger cities in the North, and the cost of living, and owning a half decent home or appartment is high than in the south. Down here in the south we tend to marvel at what New Yorkers would pay for an appartment, where down here you could get that same appatment size for much much less.
When I went to Washington DC I was amazed at what people paid for these tiny little homes. It was higher than my home, but 3-4 times smaller. Incredible.
Edit: Also see the Don's post, he hit the nail right on the head.
I'm currently in the north.
I just asked my girlfriend (went to high school in the south) and a friend (originally from Georgia) if there were ghettoes in the south like there are up here. They just laughed at me.
We're still a long, long way from MLK's dream of a color blind society, but having grown up in the Northeast and now living in the South, I'd say racism is more abundant, but hidden, in the North. When people in the South are bigots, they're very open about it, and most intelligent people, black, white, brown or yellow give them a wide berth. Up North, it's always whispered, so nobody ever calls anyone on it. And the South doesn't have ghetto's per se, but it does have 'non-integrated neighborhoods'. These are almost always black. Black people can and do move into white neighborhoods, it's white people that aren't welcome in black ones.
Its sort of funny that when I immigrated to New York as a kid I was asked a lot if I was a Nazi by my fellow school children since I was from Germany. When I moved down here I was never asked that. Of course a lot of that has to do with age.
In any event, i read a while ago that a black family has a much better chance of success and social advancement in the South than anywhere else in the country.
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One comment from my side on the statement that seems to have become the main subject of discussion for more than half of the thread
Statements like that should better be backed up with some facts or examples - otherwise they will indeed be primarily taken as an attempt to just slur a group of people.Quote:
And this my friends is what is wrong with many parts of the rural US. A lack of clarity in thinking
IMO just including the word "many" instead of "all" does not change the fact that a very broad brush is used here ("many" still implies to some extent that something is rather the rule than the exception).
Making such broad, unbacked statements only provokes similar statements from the "other side" which usually leads to a derailing of the thread (which can to some extent be observed here).
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Please continue the discussion on topic (as in the previous couple of posts) :bow:
Okay, I have a story about the Soth that i'd like you all the comment about. The South is indeed still seen as a pretty racist place in Europe (and the rest of the world ?)
A guy from Togo, doing his Phd here in Europe told about a friend of his, also an African, who was living in New orleans now. He got into a relationship with a white girl, her family didn't approve, and she was persuaded to end the relationship. They still continue to see eachother in secret though.
Apparently the family doesn't approve of mixed race relationships. If there's one of tv or in a movie they'll say something along the lines of 'but that's just fiction, not the real world...'
Is this kind of attitude still common in the South or is it just one of those bad examples you can find everywhere ?
AFAIK the family never physically (or otherwise) threatened either him or her, they just didn't approve. Most people will know how families can be when they don't approve...
Oh and Panzer, shouldn't your sig say 'abortion DOCTORS kill people' ?
That attitude is prevelant, although not discussed very much in most parts of the US and the rest of the world. There was recently an Ashton Kutcher movie about that type of thing - pretty funny i thought. I dont think it is any more acceptable here in the South.
In any event, New Orleans is one of the most liberal areas of the south. Voodoo is perfectly acceptable!
I think the Sig works either way - it gets the point across. ~;)
Like panzer said its kinda quietly frowned upon in most cases. But everyone deals with it and gets on, but nobody really gets freakishly mad and wants to kill the black guy anymore like they did in the past. Althogether its not really that common in most of the small towns and cities in my experience. Might be in the larger cities, not sure. But overall you still don't see alot of it.
Racism is everywhere. Check this out:
Man, I guarantee you someone at Hermès was issued their walking papers after this incident. Did they ever just piss off the wrong woman...Quote:
DON'T expect Oprah Winfrey (above) to accessorize with Hermes bags any time soon. Spies in Paris report that, in a stunning display of ignorance, the Hermes store in the City of Light refused entry to the talk show queen. "Oprah didn't have her hair done," says a source. "When she tried the door, they refused her entry because they have been 'having a problem with North Africans lately' and obviously had no clue who she was." A rep for Winfrey says: "Oprah is in Paris," but declined further comment. Hermes didn't return calls.
http://www.worldofwonder.net/
I think the Sig works either way - it gets the point across.
It works either way Panzer , how about , people outside abortion clinics with guns who viewed the "Nuremburg Files" kill people .
Though of course that in no way implies that all or even many of the people from the Southern States share the views of the author of those Files or the ChristianGallery , despite the Southern Party describing him as ""A credit to Georgia , a great example of a true Southern gentleman" . As these people are a bunch of fruitcakes . I mean who would seriously even think that launching a nuclear attack against the Government would encourage the south to try and seceed again .
Im trying to decipher that... :dizzy2:
If it is your belief that the majority, or even a large number of people in the South believe in bombing abortion clinics, I must say youve been sharing Kool-Ade with InsaneApache. In other words - you'd have to be a fruitcake yourself to believe that.
Abortion "doctors" should be put on trial for murder and given the sentence that the law dictates for the number of murders they committed in their "career". We didnt punish Ted Bundy by bombing him, why would we want to treat other serial killers that way?
That would be an easy trial, given that abortion is not murder. The sentence that the law dictates in your example would be to send them on their merry ways with a pat on the back for helping women maintain control over their reproductive functions.Quote:
Originally Posted by PanzerJager
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Congrats on dragging the thread even further off topic. ~:wave:Quote:
Originally Posted by Goofball
And this has to do with the Mississippi trial...how?
If it is your belief that the majority, or even a large number of people Yes panzer that is clearly what I believe as that is what I stated :dizzy2:
Though of course that in no way implies that all or even many of the people from the Southern States share the views of the author :book:
Abortion "doctors" should be put on trial for murder
As Goofball stated , no contest , as its not against the law . If you want to peacefully campaign to change the law then do so . You have my support to a certain extent .
But having campaigns to change the law led by people who thought it was normal to have sex with animals is not a great way to garner public support is it . ~;)
Sorry, I thought the connection was clear. We are talking about justice being applied long after an actual crime has taken place. I was pointing out that the Mississippi trial differs from what Panzer is talking about because murder was illegal in the 1960's and still is, whereas abortion is not currently illegal, so you can not put the doctors on trial for it at a later date.Quote:
Originally Posted by KukriKhan
Please see above; I did nothing of the sort. Your post, on the other hand, had nothing to do with the topic at hand and everything to do with trying to belittle me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xiahou
Thanks for your contribution.
Well, to be fair, Goofy was the 3rd person to post along that sub-thread: Tribesman started it & PJ responded.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xiahou
Back on topic: Say what you want about how stupid and ignorant or looney Americans are. If you really want me to judge all of British society by the words of any crackpot I can find in your country, fair enough. Let's just dial up the BNP and see what Brits REALLY think...
Laws change Goofball, as does public opinion. The scare tactics used against women to get them to back murder are deteriorating, look at any recent poll. Abortion on demand will end in our lifetime, that I can be sure of.Quote:
That would be an easy trial, given that abortion is not murder. The sentence that the law dictates in your example would be to send them on their merry ways with a pat on the back for helping women maintain control over their reproductive functions.
I suggest you visit the South, as I can assure you your view is very misguided. The vast majority of people down here dont believe in bombing abortion clinics. ~:eek:Quote:
Yes panzer that is clearly what I believe as that is what I stated
More off-topic-ness! Sorry. :embarassed:
Even if your prediction comes true and abortion is somehow made illegal in the future, you cannot retroactively prosecute people after the fact for performing acts that were not illegal when they performed them.Quote:
Originally Posted by PanzerJager
Back to topic I feel the Force moving this conversation. :)
Thanks Goofball (and all).
Sorry last off topic post(for now ~;)
as I can assure you your view is very misguided.
Do you understand the english language at all ????
that in no way implies :book:
Tribesman started it
Yeah the Irish always start it ~D ~D ~D or was it a response to the Germans , as they have a history of starting things ~;)
some facts or examples - otherwise they will indeed be primarily taken as an attempt to just slur a group of people.
So it was just an example based on facts that there are fools in the South just as (you pointed out Don) there are fools everywhere .
Its not my first language so maybe Im missing something here. Do you or dont you think most in the South are in favor of bombing abortion clinics?Quote:
Do you understand the english language at all ????
OK Panzer I will try once more by repeating my words .
"That IN NO WAY IMPLIES that all or even many of the people from the Southern states share the views of the author"
The author BTW was Neal Horsley , who was feared by farmyard animals throughout the State when he was a young man . ~;)