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Right.... ~D
Considering I lived 3 years in the US and got many friends there (including Republicans), I sure feel like you mistake "un-american" with "anyone disagreeing with me".
But you're going off topic here. Please explain what "They dont cause trouble and they are never a liability on society" means when opposing jews to blacks and arabs?
Louis,
Oh is it? Here I go and give you guys 3000 words of ammo and you accuse me of posting this to make Bush look good? Besides how many times have I stated I was against invading Iraq? My position has always been once we send the troops in we have to back them 100%. Ive also critized Bush about many things.Quote:
And it's pretty clear that Gawain chose to understand it another way because he does not like this guy other answers and wish to paint him in a dark light...
Had the same guy answered the same exact answer to the same exact question, but had supported GWB and his decision to go to war, you would not have read about it from Gawain...
Also remember this is the same CIA who didnt predict 911, still cant find Bin Laden, said that Saddam had WMDs and ties to AQ just for starts. Now it doesnt take the CIA to figure out what this guy is saying. Many here have been stating exactly that for over a year. Do you guys have spies? The point is this war has to be fought somewhere. Of course when theres a war fighters on both sides who live through combat become veterans. The idea is not to let many survive. Its like saying in MTW dont attack a unit because you may raise its valor. This is basic war 101. These people will hate us no matter what we do. Theres no appeasing them. Their like rabid dogs.
Ahh, you see what happens when someone uses what they feel you have implied as an attack against you? Maybe you have learned something today. :book:Quote:
Considering I lived 3 years in the US and got many friends there (including Republicans), I sure feel like you mistake "un-american" with "anyone disagreeing with me".
I meant exactly what I said. Jews dont seem to ever cause trouble and are never a liability on society. They are responsible, upstanding citizens for the most part.Quote:
Please explain what "They dont cause trouble and they are never a liability on society" means when opposing jews to blacks and arabs?
Why dont you and all your republican friends( ~:rolleyes: ) sit down and try and figure out what "I dont agree with that" means and how it applies to my initial post.
You go ahead and defend his frankly disgusting remarks if you like. If you think such comments are ok then continue your tolerance of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ser Clegane
You must spend a fortune on breath mints Panzer as you talk such sh*t.Quote:
Originally Posted by PanzerJager
Meyer Lansky Israel organised crime Racial Violence in the East End of London
Please dont get so angry Idaho. I sincerely apologize for saying something nice about the Jews. Silly me..
Really though, how long did it take you to dredge up 2 articles about things that happened decades ago and one about Israeli syndicates that consist of Russians and Christian Arabs? :book:
So its OK to make racist comments so long as you support jews?Quote:
Originally Posted by PanzerJager
Man oh man, you are so far out of line with your bloody Panzer this and your Konservative that and your I understand why you would kick the blacks and you just have no clue do you? Do you not see it or do you not give a .... ?
Bingo! We have a winner. Give the man a prize! Do we get prizes in the backroom? ~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribesman
No people only get points here - but for some reason they usually do not appreciate it :embarassed:Quote:
Originally Posted by Red Harvest
Maybe I didnt make myself clear, english isnt my first language. Heres what I said.Quote:
So its OK to make racist comments so long as you support jews?
Man oh man, you are so far out of line with your bloody Panzer this and your Konservative that and your I understand why you would kick the blacks and you just have no clue do you? Do you not see it or do you not give a .... ?
Possibly you misinterpreted me. I can understand why people who hate arabs hate them and i can understand why people who hate blacks hate them, ive never been able to understand where anti-semitism comes from. Understanding a mindset does not mean I subscribe to it, or do you disagree?Quote:
I can understand kicking the arabs and I can understand kicking the blacks(although I dont agree with it), but ive never understood kicking the Jews. They dont cause trouble and they are never a liability on society.
Do we get prizes in the backroom?
No , but we can get warnings ~;)
Did you even bother tor read my reply? He was off base. I never siad the article lacked credibiity . In fact I even said any fool could figure out what he was claiming is so without using the CIA. Its pure common sense. Better go look for a cupie doll elsewhere.Quote:
Bingo! We have a winner. Give the man a prize! Do we get prizes in the backroom?
I can understand why people who hate arabs hate them
But as you have stated previously that you hate arabs (amongst other races)does it not follow from that statement that you hate blacks as well as you understand why people hate them ?
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Originally Posted by PanzerJager
to be honest - what you said was totally racist
you said that people hate arabs - and you understand why
people hate blacks - you understand why but do not agree
people hate jews - you do NOT understand why and you do not agree
by reading your post it would seem that you hate arabs, firstly
tho i think that you meant the "though i dont agree with it" to cover both the hatred of arabs AND blacks - even though it was written as a defense of only the blacks
now, i dont care - i believe that most of us hate or resent things that are different from us and that it is natural to do so - but to selectivly not understand why people hate things while understanding why they hate others is a bit naive
how many jews do you know?
how many arabs?
how many blacks?
peoples perceptions of the "enemy" rely on how much contact they have with them and how they act relative to the stereotypes
I never siad the article lacked credibiity
~D ~D ~D
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This guys credibility flew out the window with that statement.
That small statement that you highlighted and repeated , out of all that was in the article , to show that it lacked credibility .
Yes his but not everything he said. Again only a fool would deny that the fighting is teaching them how to fight better. Its the nature of the beast. I could have told you that when I was 10.Quote:
This guys credibility flew out the window with that statement.
Your doing the same to me as I did to this guy. Because I may have misinterpreted one thing he said you are trying to make out that I am not credible. Once more that was the only part of his article I dissagreed with. Thats why its the only comment I made on it .Quote:
That small statement that you highlighted and repeated , out of all that was in the article , to show that it lacked credibility .
Back that up or take it back. Ive never said that I hate arabs.Quote:
But as you have stated previously that you hate arabs (amongst other races)does it not follow from that statement that you hate blacks as well as you understand why people hate them ?
Yes thats what I meant. Would it be proper english to say "I understand why people hate arabs(although i do not agree) and i understand why people hate blacks(although i do not agree)."? I thought that in english the () applied to both races.Quote:
by reading your post it would seem that you hate arabs, firstly
tho i think that you meant the "though i dont agree with it" to cover both the hatred of arabs AND blacks - even though it was written as a defense of only the blacks
Back that up or take it back. Ive never said that I hate arabs.
Really , you call them all animals (is that equivalent to sub-human) , but then again you have said that the Hmong are all animals as well so its nice to see its not only arabs who fail to meet your standards , you said they should all be barred from entering the US , you should overthrow all of their governments and make them live under American rule .
Oh but you did say that you didn't really want to kill all of them , so the hatred cannot be that deep then can it .
And that was all (apart from the Hmong) taken from just one topic this week , would you like some more ?
Where did I call all arabs animals? I called palestinians animals because of their suicide bombing, but after closer examination of the numbers I took that comment back.
I would like you to show me where I said I hate arab people or take back what you said.Quote:
And that was all (apart from the Hmong) taken from just one topic this week , would you like some more ?
As if... There's so much rasism here one would think this is a white supremacist website.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribesman
All I did was insult republicans and tell someone they don't know anything and look at my warning level. :embarassed:
You are simply not intelligent enough to understand the significance of those articles - and the significance of the points in history they describe.Quote:
Originally Posted by PanzerJager
East End of London and in New York at the turn of the century, Jews were a recent immigrant group - and poor. They were involved in crime. Had a bad reputation...etc. Oh look at Israel. Lets take a peek to see who the most recent poor immigrant group are - shock! The Russian Jews. What a stunning coincidence they are involved in crime and have a bad reputation. Who'da thunk it eh?
How can you still post with a ban ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Byzantine Prince
So whats your point? Some criminals decades ago were Jewish and a large part of the criminal element in the Jewish State is - shocker - jewish.. Youve really proven something here. ~:rolleyes:Quote:
You are simply not intelligent enough to understand the significance of those articles - and the significance of the points in history they describe.
East End of London and in New York at the turn of the century, Jews were a recent immigrant group - and poor. They were involved in crime. Had a bad reputation...etc. Oh look at Israel. Lets take a peek to see who the most recent poor immigrant group are - shock! The Russian Jews. What a stunning coincidence they are involved in crime and have a bad reputation. Who'da thunk it eh?
You'll have to post a lot more articles to convince me that Jews are bad people.. I just dont buy it. The one's that live around here are upstanding citizens and kind people.
Funny - the same can be easily said about Arab and black people... go figure.Quote:
Originally Posted by PanzerJager
I guess prejudices are just that - prejudices, regardless whether you talk about Jews, Arabs or black people.
Sounds simple, yet this simple truth is often neglected by too many people.
And no need to post any article at all to convince you that blacks and arabs are bad people... You can understand why people would kick them...Quote:
Originally Posted by PanzerJager
And regarding being anti american... You must be kidding ~D
I mean: I can understand why someone would punch Republicans in the face, I can understand kicking the conservatives (although I don't agree with it) but Democrats I don't understand. They are respectfull of other people way of life and never act like moronic gun loving maverick.
How do you dare calling me anti american? ~D
Louis,
PS: at that point, it ought to be taken to the watchtower... That looks like an interesting way to insult people.
CIA seems to be masters on being wrong, so why would we believe them this time ??
As I said, and as you have just confirmed, you aren't intelligent enough to make the connection between poverty, societal alienation and criminality. Unfortunately for the rest of us you insist on inflicting your tedious, ignorant and outmoded opinions on the rest of us.Quote:
Originally Posted by PanzerJager
Ok, I am calmer this morning, and possibly some of my language yesterday was a bit het up. If so I apologise
Lets leave it at this. PJ, if you say "I understand why people would kick the blacks, but I don't agree with it", many people, myself included, will regard that as a racist statment. And I don't consider myself PC.
There are two problems with it. First, and most fundamentally, the compendious reference to "blacks". A colleague of mine is a senior accountant in a london investment bank. He is black. Gangsta rapper 50 Cent is black. They are both "blacks", yet I would struggle to find anything remotely alike between them. So how can you understand someone kicking "blacks"?
Secondly, yes, there are some world views that even to understand is a bit dodgy. You might, maybe, get away with "X was the only white kid at his school and he was bullied by bigger black kids all his childhood so I can understand why he doesn't like blacks." But you didn't say that. You said you understood people generally kicking blacks generally, and the reason seemed to be that blacks make trouble and jews dont. (It wasn't completely clear whether you consider that "blacks" make trouble or whether you were saying that is what other people think). Actually being able to understand that viewpoint, other than in terms of some people being ignorant and small minded, is suspicious, yes. If you don't want to be misunderstood I would humbly suggest that you need a stronger qualifier that "I don't agree with it".
My last word.
What does alienation and poverty have to do with blacks, arabs, jews or anything else about this conversation?Quote:
As I said, and as you have just confirmed, you aren't intelligent enough to make the connection between poverty, societal alienation and criminality. Unfortunately for the rest of us you insist on inflicting your tedious, ignorant and outmoded opinions on the rest of us.
Are you trying to say that arabs and blacks are poor, and Jews arent? That would be tacitly saying that arabs and blacks do cause more trouble than Jews - something I never said.
It seems in your defense of those two races you have 1) called them poor, and 2) called them criminals.
Now how about stop calling people stupid who you dont agree with and explain yourself. You see, thats what a forums is - a place to come and discuss different viewpoints.
Personally I think the opinions you express on here are some of the most ignorant Ive heard, but i dont simply call you an idiot and move on. I try to come to an understanding - then we both at least benefit by knowing the viewpoint of our opponent.
I understand that intolorence toward blacks is a holdover from slavery and the perception they are worth less than white people. Therefore, those who kick blacks wouldnt distinguish between 50 cent and your banker friend. Hatred toward blacks is purely racial, whereas hatred toward arabs is racial in some parts of the world, and based on terrorism and such in other parts of the world.Quote:
There are two problems with it. First, and most fundamentally, the compendious reference to "blacks". A colleague of mine is a senior accountant in a london investment bank. He is black. Gangsta rapper 50 Cent is black. They are both "blacks", yet I would struggle to find anything remotely alike between them. So how can you understand someone kicking "blacks"?
Thats almost Orwellian dont you think? I know someone famous said "Know your enemy." or something to that effect.Quote:
Secondly, yes, there are some world views that even to understand is a bit dodgy.
In my opinion, everyone should be taught in history or sociology class the viewpoints of racists along with everyone else. If those viewpoints dont hold up to scrutiny, then there is nothing to be worried about.