Congressman "throws out idea" for possible nuclear retaliation..why not bomb mecca?

Ahaha!

If terrorist ever get a nuke, chances are they will have stolen it from Russia, or an ex-CCCP country...

No country will give terrorist a nuke, the most likely scenario is that they'll take it from someone rather unwilling to give it to them.

So you feel like bombing Russia? I am not sure they'll take it kindly, and they can still wipe you and everyone on Earth pretty fast...

In the VERY UNLIKELY SCENARIO that someone will have been dumb enough to give terrorist a nuke (but given how countries are paranoid about that, the chance they'd give it to an uncontrolled organisation is pretty nihil), then it's not a terrorist attack, it's a State attack... And then well, normal retaliation in case of State attack would happen. But that's not what we're talking about; state sponsored terrorism is a thing of the past, or a convenient excuse to invade a country ~D

(and in case you wonder, Iran is one of AQ worst ennemy... Evil Persian Shia...)

There is nowhere to nuke bomb AQ, if they ever get a nuke, it won't be given by a State, but stolen from it. Who are you going to bomb?

Louis,

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Originally Posted by Louis de la Ferte Ste Colombe

Ahaha!

If terrorist ever get a nuke, chances are they will have stolen it from Russia, or an ex-CCCP country...

No country will give terrorist a nuke, the most likely scenario is that they'll take it from someone rather unwilling to give it to them.

So you feel like bombing Russia? I am not sure they'll take it kindly, and they can still wipe you and everyone on Earth pretty fast...

In the VERY UNLIKELY SCENARIO that someone will have been dumb enough to give terrorist a nuke (but given how countries are paranoid about that, the chance they'd give it to an uncontrolled organisation is pretty nihil), then it's not a terrorist attack, it's a State attack... And then well, normal retaliation in case of State attack would happen. But that's not what we're talking about; state sponsored terrorism is a thing of the past, or a convenient excuse to invade a country ~D

(and in case you wonder, Iran is one of AQ worst ennemy... Evil Persian Shia...)

There is nowhere to nuke bomb AQ, if they ever get a nuke, it won't be given by a State, but stolen from it. Who are you going to bomb?

Louis,

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I never said Iran would give Al Queda nukes. But can't you just picture them sending their own henchmen, Hizbollah, out there to do their deeds? Do you really honestly believe state-sponsored terrorism no longer exists? Have you been paying attention to what's been going on in Lebanon?

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Originally Posted by Don Corleone

I'm just curious what Louis would do if he was Emperor of France & they nuked Paris, or if Idaho was made King of England, pre-magna carta limitations and the terrorists nuked London? What's more, let's say your intelligence chief came to you and said "One can never be 100% certain about these things, but we are as sure as we can be that the terrorists received the bomb, the training, and safe passage from the Iranian Intelligence Service". Make some glib jokes at your citizens that want a retaliation, as you have here?

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In this case, I'd bomb the nation back to the stone age and hunt down and personally torture every single person involved to death.

No nukes though, what's the point in killing millions of civilians?

It would be as pointless as the bombing of Dresden in 1945 was. Nazi Germany had to be stopped by any means, and I wouldn't be a pansy about it. But a mindless carnage? Nope.

the stories I've heard suggest that Chechens may have been/are most likely to be the source of any AQ nukes.

If anything happened then everyone could just join the Russians in flattening the Caucasus even more.

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Originally Posted by Don Corleone

Isn't that a bit like saying we had everything we needed to make a campfire, except the wood? The control of the Uranium is how the international community attempts to restrict the access to the nuclear bomb. The general premise is actually rather simple. Take two piles of Uranium, each at less slightly less than critical mass, then at the key moment, mix them so they are now well beyond critical mass. Voila. The details aren't even all that hard to work out, and I'm not sure if this is an urban myth (i've never looked) but I've heard there's working blueprints available on the web. The big thing is getting yourself some fissable Uranium.

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yeah....but them you start hearing about some ex-eastern block countries that go like "ups...we´re missing some uranium, i wonder were it could have gone"......and it gets a bit more worrying

Heh when I say that I"m joking...this guy seems serious.

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yeah....but them you start hearing about some ex-eastern block countries that go like "ups...we´re missing some uranium, i wonder were it could have gone"......and it gets a bit more worrying

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Aye, and therein lies the rub. That's when I freak out, not when people claim to know how to make an atom bomb. I know how to build a combustion engine, but I seriously doubt Ford or GM view me as competition. ~D

Coincidentally enough, I caught parts of a local AM radio show this morning where they were interviewing a local author Paul Williams
He said himself and many others believe that there are already many tactical nuclear devices in terrorist hands in the US that have been smuggled across the US/Mexico border. Going from memory, I believe he said they got the weapons via the pakistani nuclear scientist who was recently arrested for selling nuclear secrets to Iran (I think). He also said Al-Qaeda's main funding source was from the drug trade- particularly heroin from Afghanistan and that theyre using their money, among other things, to train and hire technicians and buying materials to maintain and eventually build more nukes.

Among other things, he referenced how Ridge and Bush regularly referenced nuclear terrorism as their 'greatest fear' as evidence that the administration is aware of it. He also referenced this article by Time magazine, which unfortunately, I can't read since I don't subscribe.

I quick google search also shows things like this Washington Post story, which seems to support him. Personally, I'd like to think that its all a bunch of conspiracy theory garbage, but if any of this is true we are in serious trouble. And are porous borders are definitely criminally negligent.

Huh. No one had any thoughts on that?

When I think of it, bin Laden would most probably been a congressman if he was born in US......... ~;)

Bomb Mecca? He's crazy. Bomb Mecca, and you're declaring war on 1 billion angry people.

If they nuke. we should put a small (nuke) bomb in a middle eastern country set it off. then tell em if they do that again the rest of the region will be destroyed.

These people arent trying to apease every one and not hurt feelings... we shouldnt either... we should win at all cost.

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Originally Posted by ceasar010

If they nuke. we should put a small (nuke) bomb in a middle eastern country set it off. then tell em if they do that again the rest of the region will be destroyed.

These people arent trying to apease every one and not hurt feelings... we shouldnt either... we should win at all cost.

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I believe this has been tried before. Genocide and massmurder have through history failed and rendered the initiator to lose everything.....

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Originally Posted by ceasar010

If they nuke. we should put a small (nuke) bomb in a middle eastern country set it off. then tell em if they do that again the rest of the region will be destroyed.

These people arent trying to apease every one and not hurt feelings... we shouldnt either... we should win at all cost.

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Yeah, that’ll show them. ~:rolleyes:

If they know their whole land will be destroyed it WILL stop them.

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If they know their whole land will be destroyed it WILL stop them.

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Why should it? Obviously they neither care for their own nor any other person's life.

They care about all their religous places like mecca. They are fighting for Their religion doesn't it defeat their whole purpose if they let it be destroyed.

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Originally Posted by ceasar010

They care about all their religous places like mecca. They are fighting for Their religion doesn't it defeat their whole purpose if they let it be destroyed.

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if you really did that you´d stop being against a few misguided radicals....then you´d really be up against the entire muslim population of the planet.....and since after that they´d have nothing really important to lose....... :help:

then we´d really be crewed

Many muslims are not violent BUT the religion is.

I was reading a translated version of the koran once and it said this."And Allah said to kill all of the infidels." :dizzy2:

And according to them I am an infidel so i dont want to be near any muslims. :help:


Just like I wouldn't want to be near an IRA member.

It is also that in the bible is the book were the most poeple get killed, so now you don't want to be near any christians?

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And according to them I am an infidel so i dont want to be near any muslims. :help:


Just like I wouldn't want to be near an IRA member.

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So in your opinion every muslim = terrorist?

You are some charming kid :dizzy2:

NO. Its best to just stay away though. Because their religion says to kill me.


I am sure most dont want too. but its better not to risk it.

I am not going to go looking to pick a fight with them or anything. I will just not socialize with them. I am not going to be mean, but i am not going to go up to them and try and be best friends.

Where in the bible does it say to hate black people.. No where but in the koran it says to kill infedels.

Sense this was a translation i read. It may be wrong


if some one can point that out i will gladly take everything i said back.

I will look for that translation there was more to it but thats all i remember.

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Originally Posted by ceasar010

I will look for that translation there was more to it but thats all i remember.

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I am not sure what you are quoting here.


But if you indeed are quoting the Qur’an, it sounds like “Kill the unbeliever where ever you find them.” From the Surah Taubah.

It is from a battle. The next chapter says that prisoners should be well treated and escorted to safety.

Ok then i was wrong. I Take back every thing i said a bout nuking the middle east.


I was reading an english translation of the koran i saw online.

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They care about all their religous places like mecca. They are fighting for Their religion doesn't it defeat their whole purpose if they let it be destroyed.

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Have you ever heard of martyrs? Someone who goes off and gets killed for his religion, inspiring others to worship. Bombing the holy places would only give moderates a reason to turn radical.

It is from a battle. The next chapter says that prisoners should be well treated and escorted to safety.
So different from the bible where it says kill them all and sell their women into slavery , unless you rape the women first in which case it would be dishonourable to sell soiled goods ~:confused:

you ever heard of martyrs? Someone who goes off and gets killed for his religion,
what you mean like Samson ?

Religeous texts eh ? so reliable :embarassed:

I don't think Samson quite qualifies... He was wanted by the Philistines as a mass murderer.