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Now wait. The stuff that they took was totally unrelated to the whole crime drugs. Pot and acid has nothing to do with crime. Later on, cocaine and heroin came into the picture, but that was around way before the hippies ever were.
They can't be! :daisy:Quote:
Caesar:
but I like flowers, how can other people who like flowers be bad?
Besides the fact that they are illegal, they are most certainly large contributors to crime.Quote:
Pot and acid has nothing to do with crime.
Well, I mean bad crime. ~;)
What sort of crime? Where were the pot cartels (when most hippies grew their own, or bought it from other home growers), or the acid cartels (which was legal until hippies started enjoying it?)
Supply and Demand. The Drug Problem in America really started to take off in the late 60s, don't you find it rather coincidental that at the same time the Drug Cartels started to move in that the hippy movement was at full swing? I certainly do.
Hmm. Well heroin and cocaine certaintly did help destroy the hippie movement (as well as heavy drinking). But it's not like they invented it (I mean Sherlock Holmes took cocaine!), or that all of them were criminals (well bad ones, not for just doing drugs).
And I've always been sceptical on the claimed link between drugs and violent crimes, at least the lighter stuff. And certaintly most of the crimes involved with drugs is with the drug gangs, and I don't quite see what how that was involved with the hippies.
Good crime? What is good crime?Quote:
Originally Posted by Steppe Merc
And it seems to me we already had this thread... something about "if you were born in"... and it just degenerated.
Azi
We can start with Charles Manson and his crew and go from there...Quote:
What sort of crime?
Ah. Well, he was insane. That was one problem with the hippie movement, many were succeptable to a nutjob's brainwashing, if you will. But certaintly every generation has it's evil doers.
I didn't mention good crime, just bad crime. Not bad crime is stuff like smoking pot and taking acid, stuff that doesn't harm anyone else.Quote:
Good crime? What is good crime?
It supports cartels which are evil and all members should be shot.
I dare say, worthless acid-doing scum-bag X making me pay for his hospital bill and 'rehab' harms me (who he is taking money from) and the father who just lost his job (where the money should be going).Quote:
Originally Posted by Steppe Merc
Every irresponsible person harms everyone around them. Drive too fast? Smack into tree? You're fine right? But my premiums go up because teenage-driver Y is a fool.
Every crime hurts others (or did at one point [55 mph speedlimit? what the...?]), that is why they are crimes.
Azi
Back in the 60's and 70's, the penalty for armed robbery was 10 years in prison. The penalty for dealing and smuggling marajuana was 1 year. The biggest bank robberies made in the tens of thousands, the largest drug shipments sold for millions. Where do you think all the violent criminals went after the drug craze started?Quote:
And I've always been sceptical on the claimed link between drugs and violent crimes, at least the lighter stuff.
Drug warehouses are fortresses, drug dealers command private armies. They are in constant danger of attack from the army, guerillas in their home nations and rival drug cartels and the maffa. They are naturally going to go to extreme measures to protect millions and billions of dollars worth of cocaine and heroin.
To argue there's no link between drugs and violent crime, would be like arguing that in prohibition America, there was no link between the illegal alcohol trade and gang violence. Illegal items are always worth more than their value and rich criminals will go to extreme measures to protect their assets.
Case in Point; during Prohibition the New York City Mafia was wealthier than America's largest industry at the time "American Steel", as Khalifa stated Drug Lords have a lot of clout.