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Re: Just to make your mouth drip
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Originally Posted by alin
Hmm you're to obsessed with cavarly and the germans weren't known for that, but another hint 1 of them is a cavarly unit.
what's wrong with cavalry?
hmmm I'v gotta think this time (how can you do this to me!!! :p)
let me think....
-the hundred was correct yippi!!!
-lancemen?
-frame so another spear unit?
-no I don't know those german words but I do know their dutch counter parts so noblemen I assume, then this is the one cavalry unit?
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Re: Just to make your mouth drip
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Originally Posted by Dago
Athalingoz : something noble
Hundaskapiz : maybe some infantry in number of 100 men
Frameharjoz : cavalry using framea (and again, framea was in use in III century ad)
Gaizaharjoz : cavalry equiped with lances.
Am i right?
Frame was still in use in 300 AD along with the frankish Angon.
But the Frame was also the germanic weapon the Cimbrii and Ambronii used.
Cavalry played only a supporting role in germanic warfare - at least till 50 BC.
If you like cavalry units Steppe Merc is your best friend:-)
The Germanics were fast, flexible warriors, but relied not too much on cavalry - something very intelligent if you live in those moor-bog-forest lands. ~;)
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Damn Dago beat me! how unfair!:p
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Maybe you are right, after all EB has the knowledge ~;) . But was i right with athalingoz?
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Originally Posted by Dago
Maybe you are right, after all EB has the knowledge ~;) . But was i right with athalingoz?
Yes, you are right with the nobles and - praise the gods - not only nobles but also cavalry:-)
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Yeah, i`m the man!!! :charge: Now i must think about the hundaskapiz, hmm... what could it be.... I got it, wait a sec.. ~D
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They are some kind of clan warriors, warriors from a society similiar to the celtic clans called sibbe (proto germanic sebjo). Group of 100 sibben was called hundaskapiz, members of the sebjos were of noble birth. Now i am waiting for a reward (maybe some extra screenies of this units on my PM ~;) )
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Re: Just to make your mouth drip
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Originally Posted by Dago
They are some kind of clan warriors, warriors from a society similiar to the celtic clans called sibbe (proto germanic sebjo).
Not really, but as a other hint:
The were considered the best and most agile warriors of a district - 100 men chosen for special tactical purposes.
A sebjo would have real problems to muster 100 warriors:-) Only the largest could have done this.
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Check now SaFe i`ve edited my post.
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Originally Posted by Dago
Check now SaFe i`ve edited my post.
Sorry - again no
You could best translate Hundaskapiz with Hundredship or Group of Hundred. And No - they were not necessarily of noble birth. Noble birth was in germanic society not something you could build rulership on - they had a special mix of democracy and monarchy. Oh, i'm carried away - this doesn't belong here - perhaps it belongs more in our traits and ancillaries theme or still better in our recruiting system or still better in our new building system, or...
Chosen (argh - i hate this word - it reminds me of CA's historical view) warriors to accomplish a special task - and here we are back with our beloved theme cavalry:-)
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Oh, well, but i was close was i? Now that i decoded ~;) all the names you could provide some info on these units.
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yes Dago is right now gimme the info!!!!
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What info do you want?
You figured out almost all:-)
But here is the description of the Gáizáhárjōz for your curiosty fans.Naturally descriptions are still in work, but you get the idea behind the unit.
The Gáizáhárjōz (Lance Warriors) are hard-nosed, disciplined warriors and
fight in a very dense formation unlike most other germanic warbands.
In years of constant battle with southern nations they adapted new strategies and learned to form a impenetrable shield-wall. The germanic lance is a deadly and intimidating weapon with a long spearhead,
making those warriors able to break almost any armor from the distance and are the fatility for the enemy, cavalry and infantry alike.
Historically the Gáizáhárjōz naturally developed through contact woth southern cultures. The lances were adapted to the amour and the cavalry tactics the enemies of the germanic tribes used. Their large shields, packed one at the other, indeed supplied an almost perfect protection while their lances belonged to the deadliest in the ancient world. The germanic lance was a deadly weapon with long, about 41-45 cm spearhead. If this type of thrusting weapon was mentioned, they were always called “enormous” or “over-long lances.
If i tell more they will kill me and i will not be able to finish the work on the germanics. Do you want that?If you want to see a pic of this unit you can try to bribe Alin:-)
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Ok thank you SaFe. Alin how much do you want? ~;)
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how about soem digital beers?
here's one in advance:
http://interfacelift.com/wallpaper/p...ekenanyone.jpg
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Hummmmmmmm... :angry:
Trying to bribe my men? Do we need discipline here? :whip:
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nothing happening here, move along.
let us bribe alin...just a tiny thing..
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Ah germans!!, they look even better now!!
Nice job Alin, Webbird and Safe!!
Safe,
Some germanic's that dwell close to the Celts are very influested by them.
Will EB refect this in the Germanic unit list?!
And what about the NordWesternblock tribes ?!
Some scientist believe that tribes like the Chatti, Cheruscii where not really germans at all.
Wikipedia link
NordWestBlock
PS: The Axe man look's a bit like the germanic chieftan in Gladiator
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Originally Posted by jerby
nothing happening here, move along.
let us bribe alin...just a tiny thing..
Ah Safe look what you've done, sorry guys i will leave this in the hands of Aymar, he can post them.
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PS: The Axe man look's a bit like the germanic chieftan in Gladiator
I this good?! ~:confused:
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Originally Posted by alin
I this good?! ~:confused:
Alin don't get me wrong this unit is one of my favorite EB unit but it reminds me a bit of the germanic chieftain in gladiator.
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Originally Posted by TheTank
Ah germans!!, they look even better now!!
Nice job Alin, Webbird and Safe!!
Safe,
Some germanic's that dwell close to the Celts are very influested by them.
Will EB refect this in the Germanic unit list?!
And what about the NordWesternblock tribes ?!
Some scientist believe that tribes like the Chatti, Cheruscii where not really germans at all.
Wikipedia link
NordWestBlock
PS: The Axe man look's a bit like the germanic chieftan in Gladiator
About celtic influence: Yes we reflect this in several aspects of the game - not only unit-wise.
Personally i don't believe the thing about the nordwestblock, and there are not many historians following this thinking about the ideas of this scientists. So, No, Chattii and Cheruscii belong to the germanic culture. Also the Hermundurii definately belonged to the suebian confederation.
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What kind of units nobles will be? Infantry or cavalry? Will they wear armor?
So many questions to ask...
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I think that they could be some heavy infantry very well equiped (just guessing).
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Athalingoz are nobles on horses - but not available at the start of the game.
Germanic chieftains and nobles fought almost ever on foot to encourage their warriors. Germanic warriors fought only so good as their Harjanaz(Warlord).This changed only around AD.
Dago - the Herthoz are probably what you mean:-)
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Hey, Safe could you tell us some more about the hundaskapiz? I dont want you to post here their description but you could tell us what weapons they used, how they fought and stuff like that, thank you in advance.
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Originally Posted by SaFe
Athalingoz are nobles on horses - but not available at the start of the game.
Germanic chieftains and nobles fought almost ever on foot to encourage their warriors. Germanic warriors fought only so good as their Harjanaz(Warlord).This changed only around AD.
Dago - the Herthoz are probably what you mean:-)
But did they wear armor? And what kind of outfit they had in general?
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Originally Posted by Kääpäkorven Konsuli
But did they wear armor? And what kind of outfit they had in general?
Herthoz were the best equipped men in the germanic army - so yes they will wear armour - either pillaged or traded from the gauls. Also the germanics were fast to adopt new ways, so the learned the iron working real fast.
Athalingoz wear armour too, but as i aid they are not recruitable at the start of the game.
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Originally Posted by SaFe
Herthoz were the best equipped men in the germanic army - so yes they will wear armour - either pillaged or traded from the gauls. Also the germanics were fast to adopt new ways, so the learned the iron working real fast.
Athalingoz wear armour too, but as i aid they are not recruitable at the start of the game.
Ok, thanks. One more question. What kind of horse those Athalingoz ride?
As far as I know germanic horses were pretty much pony like and not suitable for carrying armored man.