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Are you telling us the government is acting in cahoots with big business? In some cases I guess you are right. I do not want to be too confrontational here, but I think Halliburton would be a prime example... ~:cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
The police might of used force - but the individual decided to resisted arrest first. Your confusing outrage about a law you do not agree with - with the choices made by individuals.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
So the police should not arrest people who have warrants out for their arrest? ITs not that simple. The Police as the enforcement branch of the legal system can not pick and chose which warrants they decide to act upon. Their procedures are pretty simple - if the individual has a warrant for his or her arrest - you pick them up. The time that the Police can chose to enforce any particlur law - is when they are first dealing with the individual - ie before the citiation is issued.Quote:
The police don't get off so easily. They are not like robots who can do nothing but enforce the laws programmed into them.
Again you are confusing your outrage about a particlur law - with the actions of this individual. His death was not caused by getting a ticket for not wearing a seatbelt. His death was a result of his choice to resist arrest.Quote:
Why should I be outraged at a person who did nothing to harm his fellow man in any way? Why should I be outraged that he did not meekly consent to having every aspect of his life dictated 'for his own good'?
Not at all - your again confusing the process of civil disobience (SP) with personal accountablity. If you don't like the new law - by all means protest, don't pay the ticket, etc.. - but in that concept you must accept the consequences of your actions. Mr. Vera chose not to pay his ticket, he chose to resist arrest when the police were called to his location.Quote:
And what if the gov't made a law stating you had to go around in a giant pillow suit to prevent injury? You act as though a law passed by congress is a command from God. Why must free men be accountable to the gov't if they do nothing to harm others? Why should we be forced to be responsible for every hair-brained idea the gov't thinks of?
Living in a free country does not entitle you to resist arrest when the police serve a warrant that was issued by the courts.Quote:
Yes; he thought he was in a free country.
You would be surprised about the number of idiotic laws in this country - in fact there are some laws on hygeine - have a messy house - and let social services come by to check it out, especially if you have children.Quote:
Hurtling bodies injuring others? That's a good laugh. And I'm all for personal responsibility-but not for government enforced responsibility to yourself. Should we have laws about hygeine, bathroom cleaning, doing carpentry or siding by yourself?
Again Mr Vera's death does not show the stupidity of such laws. It shows the stupidity of resisting arrest for a rather simple ticket that he could of protested or paid the fine in court.Quote:
I always wear my seltbeat, it's the principal of the thing (and stuff like this, which illustrates the stupidity of the laws).
Agreed - but don't confuse what caused Mr. Vera's death with the issue of the seatbelt laws. Mr. Vera's death was caused because he chose to resist arrest when the police where fullfilling their duties in serving a court ordered arrest warrant.Quote:
Governments have no right to decide what it is safe for men to do - they become tyrannies when they take the freedom to choose away from man.
As has been previously said, I simply do not understand some people.
I demand the right to cripple, mutilate and otherwise harm myself and others. As a citizen of a free country it is my democratic right to murder another individual should I choose to do so and any attempt to crub these rights that I, in the minority, have elected to give myself, will not be met with any real attempt to change the laws that keep my rights in check. I will whine and complain about how rubbish it is that I cannot safeguard the lives of others but I most certainly will do nothing to get the laws changed.
Seriously guys, people are stupid and really do need a lot of guidance. People still smoke! Despite all the evidence, anecdotal and scientific, that is available, the warnings on the packets and the constant barrage of information that says "don't do it".
As for having an oppresive government that is stripping away your rights and causing you to have a smaller and smaller area of liberties. Please.
You have no idea about a police state, look at some of the areas in Africa, in Asia, in many of the totalitarian regimes of the Middle East. There is no free press, no information available that has not been doctored in some way. And yet here in the "free world" we have the option available to change all of this.
If you are really not happy about something, then do something about it. Write letters, petition your local MP/Govenor/Mayor whatever, if you really do not believe that you can talk with them, go to the papers, the TV anything to get your message across. You could even emigrate to a country that you do think stands up for the rights you ask for. Not happy with any of this? Then deal with it, you obviously do not care enough to make the difference and will be more than happy when "the Man" comes to install his brain control chips.