"The left and its mouth piece the liberal media..."

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Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave

Just as much credibility as any of your assinine opinions here over the past few years. Besides I thought you and the other libs in here were pissing and moaning about to maky posted articles? You don't ever consider your wrong so why should I have to go into some long drawn out explaination when all your going to do is ignore it or redicule it. So go google "media bias" and read yourself. And I'll continue to post whatever the #### I want like you do all the time, hypocrite...

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So, let me sum up your input into this thread so far, just to make sure we're clear:

1) You won't post articles as proof because liberals don't want you to;

2) you don't want to provide evidence because I will never admit I'm wrong;

3) the media is baised to the left because you say so;

4) Canadians are idiots;

5) because of point 4, I would not understand the depth and complexity of your arguments even if you were to make them;

6) my opinions are assinine (sic) just because you say so;

7) I'm a hypocrite, again, just because you say so;

8) hippies can shove it all up their arses.

Okay, I think we're clear.

Thanks for your contribution, Dave.

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Originally Posted by Goofball

So, let me sum up your input into this thread so far, just to make sure we're clear:

1) You won't post articles as proof because liberals don't want you to;

2) you don't want to provide evidence because I will never admit I'm wrong;

3) the media is baised to the left because you say so;

4) Canadians are idiots;

5) because of point 4, I would not understand the depth and complexity of your arguments even if you were to make them;

6) my opinions are assinine (sic) just because you say so;

7) I'm a hypocrite, again, just because you say so;

8) hippies can shove it all up their arses.

Okay, I think we're clear.

Thanks for your contribution, Dave.

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You're welcome, my contirbution is about equal to the amount of intellectual contribution you've ever provided. I know, lets blame Bush, that's easier...

I still believe he was working with AQ.
Yes Gawain and you believe in Santa and the tooth fairy as well :dizzy2:

Not because of FOX but because of numerous articles on the topic.
Yes and your multitude of cut and paste pieces show exactly what sort of "articles" you get the information from ~D ~D ~D Still basing their claims on long disproven allegations .

Even the 9/11 Commission said that much.
Did they really , based on what ? ~;)

So go google "media bias" and read yourself.
Thats really funny Dave , not long ago in another topic about media bias someone with a tanklike name posted links to show just how bad the "liberal bias" was of a certain broadcaster , yet obviously didn't bother to read the links and ended up with a load of articles complaining about the conservative bias of that broadcaster .
So be careful what you Google for ~D

Somebody please lock this thread. It's just going to become a slugfest- hell, it is one already.

"LOCKED"

oops that didn't seem to work meatwad ~:cheers:

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Originally Posted by meatwad

Somebody please lock this thread. It's just going to become a slugfest- hell, it is one already.

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Who cares, its always a slugfest. I tried with some positive threads and attempted to moderate my views, but why the hell should I? Why should I even budge when others could give a tinkers damn about your opinion? I say to hell with civility and let us feast on the bloody remains of the innocent and grease the treads of out tanks with the guts of the defencless!!! Burn, burn in the fiery pits of hell!!! GAH!!!!!!!! :charge:

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

"LOCKED"

oops that didn't seem to work meatwad ~:cheers:

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Funny... it always works for the mods...

Let me try:


L O C K E D

Nope. Nothing.

By the way, Redleg- I love your Teddy Roosevelt quote. He's my favorite president. ~:cheers:

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Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave

Burn, burn in the fiery pits of hell!!! GAH!!!!!!!! :charge:

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Not you personnaly meatwad, just the thread. Hope you didn't think I was meaning you, sorry if you did...

back to the rant...

BURN!!!! :furious3:

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

"LOCKED"

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It doesn't take God to lock a thread, just a moderator.

And you're not one, Tribesman. ~;)

I can't believe how good you'd feel when you become a weakling in a perfect sense, though: try being pacifist and optimist in this thread. Oh, and a man of humour.

It will be a hilarious thread to read. ~:)

BTW, meatwad, I'm sincerely pleased you decide to follow my advice. I often vent my anger - and badly at that, but when there're so much to vent on that you (as in "me") sometimes just shut up and sit back just so to enjoy the flow of the world. Though no need for calling for a locking of a thread instead, though. A flame war is a fun-for-all affair save for those who moderate and administer. ~;)

Jeez, I'm getting poetic. :help:

Uh... Dave... you're scaring me, Dave... :uhoh2:

Back on topic, Goofball, here is a conservative site that deals with the liberal media bias.

They clearly state they are conservative, but their articles are pretty factual. Read into it how you like.

Media Research Center

Heres a large site that deals with it directly. It seems pretty reasonable to me.

Liberal Bias

Here's another site that deals with it. Again, the source is questionable(some random woman apparently ~:eek: ), but it seems to be factual.

Some random woman's documentation of liberal bias in the media.


Heres a good article about it.

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Folks know what Liberal Media Bias is. Even those who deny it have to know what the rest of us are talking about. Anybody can read it between the lines, see it on CBS (also ABC and NBC), hear it on NPR, and almost feel it, it's so thick at times. Like an oil slick over the news, L.M.B. permeates American journalism's elite.

But defining Liberal Media Bias isn't easy. Because its very purpose is to be slippery, hard to pin down, indefinable. At its most effective, L.M.B. isn't even noticeable. It's supposed to come naturally, even automatically. Indeed, that's the object of the game: to present opinion as news, bias as fact, so smoothly that nobody is aware of the subtle switch.

As with George Orwell's newspeak, the function of L.M.B. isn't just to condition thought; it's to make any other thoughts unthinkable. Or at least unfashionable.

L.M.B. may be hard to pinpoint but, as a justice of the United States Supreme Court once said about pornography, you know it when you see it. Or hear it. Or read it. At least you should if you've got the slightest ear for language. It can even be a kind of spectator sport. Sometimes you almost want to cheer, its sleights of mind are executed so smoothly at times.

At other times, you just groan. I take the precaution, on hearing the first groaner on an NPR newscast, of switching to the classical music station. I owe Linda Wertheimer alone a debt of immense gratitude for guiding me to some of the most beautiful symphonies in the Western canon.

But although evidence of Liberal Media Bias abounds, there's never been any proof that it's part of a conscious pattern, a deliberate decision, something ordered from above. Till now.

Because now, thanks to some public-spirited leaker at ABC, we have the full text of an internal memo from its political director, Mark Halperin, to his minions. It's dated Friday, Oct. 8, 2004, and it makes perfectly clear whose side ABC "News" is going to be on in this presidential election:

It goes without saying that the stakes are getting very high for the country and the campaigns - and our responsibilities become quite grave.

I do not want to set off (an) endless colloquy that none of us have time for today - nor do I want to stifle one. Please respond if you feel you can advance the discussion.

The New York Times (Nagourney/Stevenson) and Howard Fineman on the web both make the same point today: the current Bush attacks on Kerry involve distortions and taking things out of context in a way that goes beyond what Kerry has done.

Kerry distorts, takes out of context, and mistakes all the time, but these are not central to his efforts to win.

We have a responsibility to hold both sides accountable to the public interest, but that doesn't mean we reflexively and artificially hold both sides "equally" accountable when the facts don't warrant that.

I'm sure many of you have this week felt the stepped up Bush efforts to complain about our coverage. This is all part of their efforts to get away with as much as possible with the stepped up, renewed efforts to win the election by destroying Senator Kerry at least partly through distortions.

It's up to Kerry to defend himself, of course. But as one of the few news organizations with the skill and strength to help voters evaluate what the candidates are saying to serve the public interest. Now is the time for all of us to step up and do that right.

To summarize: Yes, our candidate may falsify now and then, but the other guy's falsity is at the center of his campaign. This memo might as well be a declaration of political war on ABC's part. It's what every true believer thinks in the heat of an election season. But it's unusual for a supposed unbiased newsman to think so. Or rather say so. In writing.

Liberal Media Bias isn't just a feeling anymore; it's a documented plan. Case closed. With a full confession.

And if you honestly can't hear the prejudice in ABC's memo, try switching the names of the candidates around and it'll come through loud and clear. Unless, of course, you really do believe one presidential candidate is basically a good guy and the other is evil personified.

The bias behind much of the news Americans are fed isn't exactly a surprise. But at least when you're listening to right-wing talk radio, you know you're listening to right-wing talk radio. And when you're watching Fox News, you can be confident it's fair and balanced in favor of the right.

It's the pretense of objectivity at the old established networks that offends, or should. Now it lies shattered.

What's surprising about this memo isn't ABC's Liberal Media Bias, but that someone at the top would be dumb enough to put it in writing.

How can anybody take ABC's election coverage seriously after this? This memo makes even CBS' fake-but-accurate coverage, phony documents and all, sound semi-honest. Once again, between leakers and bloggers, The Old Media has been unmasked. The proof is in the memo.

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Theres some interesting reading there. Note that I believe all those are from conservative people, but the information they provide is based in fact.

I hope that gives you an idea of where "our side" is coming from.. ~:)

Hypocrite land... now that's a bad place to be.

I was there once- it was confusing as hell.

I think the locals call it "DC" or something. ~;)

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Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube

Can you blame the media for taking a liberal bias when the current Reoublican Party would rather impose fascist policy's of an all-controlling government and a closed society than do anything even remotely helpful for the media?

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Oh brother... :dizzy2:
Tin foil hats for everyone, are those black covert helicoptors I hear flying around?

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Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave

Oh brother... :dizzy2:
Tin foil hats for everyone, are those black covert helicoptors I hear flying around?

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It's true. I am still waiting for the White House decree that we must "FOLLOW THE WORMS!!!"

Would you like to see [America] rule again?
All you have to do is follow the worms.
Would you like to send our coloured cousins home again?
All you need to do is follow the worms.

And you're not one, Tribesman.
What a God or a Moderator ? ~;)

Anyway reply #3 by Russiancsar sums everything up nicely .

Its all Propaganda my friends Propaganda.
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Theres some interesting reading there. Note that I believe all those are from conservative people, but the information they provide is based in fact.
Yes Panzer there is ...
And when you're watching Fox News, you can be confident it's fair and balanced in favor of the right.

So with all the complaining about some media being biased to the left don't you think in fairness you should also complain about some media being biased to the right ?

You have absolutely no idea what fascism is Cube.

Back on topic.

Tribesman, the original post asked for examples of liberal media bias. Im trying to answer Goof in a calm way with the best information I can.

I have no doubt that there is right wing bias in some media, but that media doesnt get the same stature or viewers here in America.

I have no doubt that there is right wing bias in some media, but that media doesnt get the same stature or viewers here in America.
Really , what are all these claims about Fox being so big then ?

What does it take to get a thread locked these days?

Actually, I am really starting to enjoy this. It's funny if you just sit back and relax. I reccomend listening to some Floyd, or Beatles or something cheerful- really puts it all in context.

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Originally Posted by PanzerJager

Media Research Center

Heres a large site that deals with it directly. It seems pretty reasonable to me.

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Wow. I nearly choked from laughing at this one.

The Media Research Center! The good ol' MRC. Lovely bunch. They threaten letter writing campaigns to sponsors in order to have reporters fired who don't present a conservative viewpoint. Not bias at all in their viewpoint, is there?

Hmmm, let's examine the facts about the MRC.

Founder and President of the MRC is L. Brent Bozell III. Along with the MRC, he's the Executive Director of the very "fair and balanced" sounding organization - The Conservative Victory Committee. Now that's certainly a cause for hope that he has no agenda when claiming that the media is liberal. Then again, maybe not. Well maybe one of his other organizations will shed light on his supposed balanced viewpoint! Let's see here. He was National Finance Chairman for the 1992 Pat Buchanan for President campaign. That darn liberal Buchanan! He was Finance Director and later President of NCPAC, the National Conservative Political Action Committee. Hmm, well gee, this guy isn't turning out to be very unbiased at all, is he?

So, we're supposed to take the word of his organization that the media is liberal? I'd be more likely to believe an article printed in a 1975 issue of Pravda - which is to say, not at all likely. ~D

I may have to start quoting commondreams.org and alternet.org and maybe even the wsws.org as "balanced" sources just to counter the "fair and balanced" sources we've been showered with in this thread.

And as an aside, I think it's appalling that some pseudo-fascist, right-wing web site would have the gall to mention George Orwell to make a spurious point. Eric Arthur Blair, aka George Orwell was a socialist. He fought for the anarchists in Barcelona during the Spanish Civil War. His great works, such as Animal Farm and 1984, were an answer to totalitarianism - whether it be communist-inspired, or fascist inspired. If you don't think Orwell was a socialist, then try reading his Homage to Catalonia about the great anarchist/communist experiment of Barcelona from 1936-1939. Quoting Orwell in that context is about like quoting Hitler to support war reparations for survivors of concentration camps.

I'm reminded of a funny single panel cartoon I used to have pinned up. It was about the "contract with America" which I supported mostly at the time, but still found the cartoon funny.

Two middle aged business men are standing at a crossing in a city. The crossing sign says, "Wait obediently." One of the fellows is saying to the other, "I knew we should have read the fine print in that 'Contract with America'."

European Media is the biggest batch of lies biasdness and propoganda I have seen seince the old CCCP days...

I doubt that the American media is worse...

It's worse, my friend. Much worse. Because the difference here is that people in the U.S. tend to believe what they read in the newspapers and hear on the news. During the dark days of the Soviet era, you at least had sense enough not to believe in news organizations like Pravda. Plus you had the samizdat. The internet, at least, keeps the idea of the samizdat alive.

Why all the hullaballoo?

Far more people watch Entertainment Tonight than these news shows combined.


Aenlic:

I agree. CSM follows a wonderful old tradition in keeping most of its editorializing to the op-ed page. That's all you could ask for.


Seamus

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Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh

Why all the hullaballoo?

Far more people watch Entertainment Tonight than these news shows combined.


Aenlic:

I agree. CSM follows a wonderful old tradition in keeping most of its editorializing to the op-ed page. That's all you could ask for.


Seamus

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I think CSM is likely to remain the closest thing to just news for some time to come. I just don't see the entertainment industry which most people think is the news will ever just report the news.

Your mention of Entertainment Tonight just led to a horrible image in my mind.

American Idol is on Fox. Murdoch has all the scruples of a starving rat. Most people are unable to discern the difference between entertainment and news already. Would it be that much of a leap to have, in the not too distant future, a program on Fox hosted by Simon Whathisname which mixes Faux news and entertainment? We'd be doomed. Well, more doomed. We're already doomed. Doomed faster? ~;)

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Originally Posted by Aenlic

American Idol is on Fox. Murdoch has all the scruples of a starving rat. Most people are unable to discern the difference between entertainment and news already. Would it be that much of a leap to have, in the not too distant future, a program on Fox hosted by Simon Whathisname which mixes Faux news and entertainment? We'd be doomed. Well, more doomed. We're already doomed. Doomed faster? ~;)

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Well it appears to be that the phenomenum is world wide, and globalization is to blame. Here we're not conservatives, more and more left groups are appearing and the big government always blames them for certain commercial issues, while it may be right, the government itself caused it. Anyway I'm tired of all this media, it achieved to take the people out of the books where the reflexion stands, and hipnotize them with constant "fun", the media here is so ******* biased that the people today really think that the state is good, eternal and that it's the meidium to canalize their personal vengeances to other people. :wall: :furious3:

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Originally Posted by Aenlic

Wow. I nearly choked from laughing at this one.

The Media Research Center! The good ol' MRC. Lovely bunch. They threaten letter writing campaigns to sponsors in order to have reporters fired who don't present a conservative viewpoint. Not bias at all in their viewpoint, is there?

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It's odd that you'd get worked up over that when you've posted numerous links to FAIR, an admitted "progressive" group.

Personally, I think O'Reilly and Hannity/Colmes are both generally pretty poor show on FOX, but overall, I think MSNBC is probably the worst cable news channel as far as "crap" news programming goes.

Does anybody apart from Redleg and Lemurmania read newspapers and magazines (or their websites) anymore? Or is it all pics & blogs these days? Ach never mind. Why contribute anything worthwhile if this is going to be locked anyway.
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Australians own your media!

Submit now, or we will send in the Wiggles! And our own B1 and B2 in PJs.

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Originally Posted by Papewaio

Australians own your media!

Submit now, or we will send in the Wiggles! And our own B1 and B2 in PJs.

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Send more Kylies and we will submit. ~:eek: