I watched a couple of Ultimate fighter the othernight, very rough as you say Gawain. One shot to the face with this guys knee and the fight was over. Lights out. :fainting:Quote:
Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
Very enjoyable though.
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I watched a couple of Ultimate fighter the othernight, very rough as you say Gawain. One shot to the face with this guys knee and the fight was over. Lights out. :fainting:Quote:
Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
Very enjoyable though.
Best Boxer? Ali
Who'ld win in a match between Ali and Tyson (in their prime respectavely)? Tyson
Never liked the guy, even back in the mid to late 80's but: whoa could that guy punch.
Best White boxers: Graciano and Schmeling. No saying where Schmeling could have gone with proper managing.
(Pound for pound there were numerous better fighters in the lower weightclasses though. That goes for most of the list.)
Ali, hands down. I have been watching his old fights on ESPN classic. His hands were so damn fast. Tyson would knock guys out if he could get inside on them. Ali was to fast for that to happen. Tyson would have try and, wap, wap, wap he get hit three time before he knew what was going on.
I was thinking about great boxers that never get any recognition (like the "gypsy" ones I mentioned) but what about all the Latin American boxers? They have a good reputation but you rarely hear about it in the USA and EU.
Your kidding right? Do the Names Duran or Camacho ring a bell? The latin american boxers in fact dominate the lower weight classes.Quote:
but what about all the Latin American boxers? They have a good reputation but you rarely hear about it in the USA and EU.
well, considering that this is a poll about the greatest boxers and considering that the (non-specialist) media in the U.K. and U.S. concentrate on heavy weights....
...no I'm not kidding.
who watches non-heavyweight matches? Lightweights are no fun. :balloon2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
has there even been a great heavyweight fight since ali? the best fights are always in the lighter weight divisions. i have corrales-castillo saved on my computer, easily one of the greatest fights of all time. there will never be a heavyweight fight that could equal the war that was.
Sure because if we talk of medium weight Monzon will be the best from far, undiscussed in all his career, invicto. But if this is only for heavyweighter then, Muhammad Alí, though "Ringo" Bonabena defeated him, yay!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by caesar44
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Originally Posted by Soulforged
Banana who ?
Btw , when asking who is the best swimmer . there is no categories , same for best tennis player , best sprinter etc' , so , there are no boxers that could handle the heavy's champions, they are the best no matter the reason . when a boxer of a lower category wants to be the best , he could always eat more...(it was done before) .
Couldn't agree more ~:cheers: When it came right down to it ,Tyson was a bully with a bully's mentality.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
But the best of all time ,and hasn't even been mentioned;Sugar Ray
Robinson .
Duran's up there as well .
If you want to talk about great fights, how about those Chris Eubank v Nigel Benn fights from the 80s? Man, they were unbelievable fights. 2 champion boxers, with different styles and personalities who loathed each other.
Could not agree more MS, those Eubank and Benn fights were great. In fact the British middle weight divison in the late eighties and early nineties had some great matches, Eubank and Collins, the fights with Michael Watson, Eubank and Benn were great fights and rivals. A great shame what happened to Watson who never recovered in his match against Eubank which put him in a Coma and never the same man since
Is Bonabena, but he never beated Ali, I made a mistake, however Ali said that he was going to defeat him in the 8 round and the fight lasted more than that. Anyway there's a case of another gringo boxer that was defeated when threw out of the ring and the people rose him again (obviouly this can't be done), the boxer who technically won the fight was from here (Firpo) and is the only one (i think) from our country in the box hall of fame, and i believe that he's the only one that never won a title in the hall of fame too, maybe the yanks suffered from shame. And i think you're wrong the lighter players are faster and the world opinion is different from yours. It's not like in football that there're better categories, because this one is based on physical differences and not tactical or technical.Quote:
Originally Posted by caesar44
Theres no doubt that the lighter ranks are far more exciting. Especially middle and welter weights were they still have real knock out ability. Other than Ali no heavy weight comes close to being as exciting as say Sugar Ray Robbison or Hector Maco Comacho to name a few.
Boxing sucks. But to be fair no form of professional sport can hold my interest.